Would this story be allowed?

[Five_Inch_Heels]

You two having fun?

 

[OralAllOver]

IMHO

perfect

 

[FrancesScott]

And I think you are afraid to start your own thread asking why people like to write non-con. Prove me wrong.

That’s a really childish piece of attempted amateur psychology. Please do better.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

This place has many why do…? why did you…? how do you…? what do you think about…? threads. For example:

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...rotica-and-what-do-you-get-out-of-it.1636305/

As a wise person said, no one is obligated to answer, but plenty do. It seems that non-con is somehow different. I don’t see why asking questions about it should be off limits.

In another sensitive area, @SimonDoom has written about why he enjoys penning incest. Others have written about why they like to read / write BDSM. People are open in most areas - not everyone, but at least some people are willing to talk.

And I understand my own kinks pretty well. Maybe I’m different in that respect. But surely at least some other people have basic self-awareness, no?

As I said, some people aren't as willing to share what they see as their intimacy. Not everyone is extroverted about their sexual fantasies.

But also, some kinks are simply harder to share. More embarrassing perhaps, more likely to draw ire or disgust even in a place like this. Rape kink is one of those for sure.
Also, can you imagine someone here sharing that they enjoy scat? Unlike with the rape kink, no one here would judge it, but there would be the ewww effect. It would be embarrassing, regardless of how generally kink-positive this place is.

 

[FrancesScott]

More embarrassing perhaps, more likely to draw ire or disgust even in a place like this. Rape kink is one of those for sure.

People certainly act as if liking the idea of rape is embarrassing. But the OP wasn’t so embarrassed as to not ask for advice about his kink. That’s was other people later.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Also, can you imagine someone here sharing that they enjoy scat? Unlike with the rape kink, no one here would judge it, but there would be the ewww effect. It would be embarrassing, regardless of how generally kink-positive this place is.

Have I told you my anecdote about lesbians in scat barrel erotica? Apparently it's a thriving niche story culture here on Lit, as too much curiosity revealed to me one day. All I did was innocently mention Russian girls shitting in the woods in a story - also a niche video thing, as once again too much curiosity revealed. Someone faved that story, and as you do, I went and checked out their faves. Well, goodness me, who knew?!

 

[Britva415]

I was seeking to understand something that is strange to me.

Honestly, between me and you, I also find it strange, but I don't expect an explanation. I'm not entitled to one, and I don't believe one is always even possible.

It's literally just a matter of taste.

 

[FrancesScott]

Honestly, between me and you, I also find it strange, but I don't expect an explanation. I'm not entitled to one, and I don't believe one is always even possible.

It's literally just a matter of taste.

I don’t expect an explanation, you’re conflating my actual intent with the characterization of it by my high school debate team reject friend.

In this bipartisan world - I’m trying to understand other perspectives. But it seems the people in question don’t want to be understood.

I guess many people don’t self-analyze. Or choose not to as the conclusion they reach may not be to their liking.

FWIW, I think at least some non-con fans know exactly what they like about the genre. But hey, they can plead the fifth like anyone else.

 

[filthytrancendence]

Honestly, between me and you, I also find it strange, but I don't expect an explanation. I'm not entitled to one, and I don't believe one is always even possible.

It's literally just a matter of taste.

It's uncanny how people seem to feel a compulsion to read things into this thread that nobody ever said.

I don't see anybody expecting an explanation. Or being entitled to one. Seems like a 'give up before you try' approach to assume one isn't possible.

And yet, asking seems to be the cardinal sin.

Were it actually a matter of taste, I'd expect a simple and straightforward answer from somebody, at least. "Because I like it." A circular and unsatisfying answer, to be sure, but an answer nonetheless. I've run into a few of those around here when asking similar questions. That's fine.

I, and I'm quite sure the others who have expressed curiosity, do not expect or feel entitled to an answer. We were just hoping for one. And have demonstrated a willingness to reciprocate the openness.

As for me, I've found that when you stumble upon a question that makes people immediately defensive, there's something there. That's how I became an atheist, in a nutshell. Defensiveness isn't meaningless. It usually indicates a fear of the answer being said out loud. Perhaps that's not the case here. But I cannot help but see what my life experience has taught me to see. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Honestly, between me and you, I also find it strange, but I don't expect an explanation. I'm not entitled to one, and I don't believe one is always even possible.

It's literally just a matter of taste.

Now that's poor comment placement, given my post immediately above yours! eek!

 

[ElectricBlue]

As for me, I've found that when you stumble upon a question that makes people immediately defensive, there's something there. That's how I became an atheist, in a nutshell. Defensiveness isn't meaningless. It usually indicates a fear of the answer being said out loud. Perhaps that's not the case here. But I cannot help but see what my life experience has taught me to see. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

Yep. "He who protests too much," that kind of thing.

 

[AG31]

Demanding a why reads as if you are expecting justification. Expecting justification reads as if you are being judgmental and that reads as kink-shaming... especially in a public forum.

I sympathize with @FrancesScott's quest for understanding. It's exceedingly difficult to ask for clarity or understanding about a difficult subject without people interpreting it as a sideways criticism. A couple of years ago I asked such a question and a respondent declared to the community, with great assurance, that I was a sociopath.

Now that I understand what you're after, I'm looking forward to finding some answers in the rest of this thread.

 

[AG31]

In my limited experience, BDSM is highly consensual IRL. Not so much in fantasies written by people with zero actual experience of the area.

This and some statements by @filthytrancendence prompt me to remind people that the term "BDSM" didn't always refer to some particular social practice with clear rules. It began simply as Bondage, Dominance,Sado-Masochism. Some of us would like to use the term in its original form without the implication of a lot of rules and norms.

 

[AG31]

You didn't start this thread though. You didn't start a thread by asking why people like to write NC, you responded to somebody else's question about NC by demanding a why.

She (I'm going by the spelling of Frances) didn't "demand." What makes you think she was demanding? As she's tried to explain, she was asking a question. I initially misunderstood her also, but I don't know what she could have done to be clearer at the outset.

 

[AG31]

It's one of the most popular erotic fantasies there is. There's a lot that goes into it. The idea of surrenduring control is appealing to many. The idea of being dominated. Many people are conflicted about sex, so the idea of getting to enjoy it but not having any responsibility for it happening is a thrill. I've always been curious about that too.

Yes, but she's not interested in the person giving up control. She's interested in the psychology of the rapist.
FrancesScott:" I can, however speak as a man who is viscerally repulsed by rape and is also into BDSM as a switch."

 

[WCSGarland]

She (I'm going by the spelling of Frances) didn't "demand." What makes you think she was demanding? As she's tried to explain, she was asking a question. I initially misunderstood her also, but I don't know what she could have done to be clearer at the outset.

I’m not looking to bust your balls, just to understand the attraction of writing non-consensual sex.

Seems like I almost always hear something like that from somebody that is looking to bust your balls.

 

[AG31]

Nonconsent is not one of my favorite kinks, but i sort of get it. Remember that it's one of the most popular fantasies for women, not just men.

You've explained the giving up control psychology. Tell us about the psychology of the rapist.

 

[FrancesScott]

Seems like I almost always hear something like that from somebody that is looking to bust your balls.

That’s your problem, dude! Not mine.

 

[AG31]

Exhibitionist displays are non-con, if you expose your junk to people who don't want to see it, that is considered assault but not rape. Voyeurism is non-con, the person being watched in the nude does not give their consent to be watched and yet it is not rape. If a person is blackmailed into walking around in public without any clothes on, or if they are stripped in public but not involved in any form of sex, that is non-con, but not rape.

Interesting understanding of exhibitionism. How do you interpret this new story? (not mine).

 

[AG31]

*sigh*

What non-consensual sexual intercouse is not rape?

There's a vast spectrum of consent.

 

[WCSGarland]

That’s your problem, dude! Not mine.

Yep, I do have a problem with disingenuous people.

 

[iwatchus]

Yep, I do have a problem with disingenuous people.

I have managed to stay out of this thus far, but right now I have to wonder if you have any mirrors in your house.

 

[FrancesScott]

Yep, I do have a problem with disingenuous people.

OK, that’s the funniest line yet.

 

[Djmac1031]

Demanding a why reads as if you are expecting justification. Expecting justification reads as if you are being judgmental and that reads as kink-shaming... especially in a public forum.

So, correct me if im wrong here, but what you're saying is you dont like being pressured / forced into participating in something you have no interest/ desire to participate in; in this instance, answering a straightforward question.

You've said NO and yet they keep posing the question against your will. And its making you... uncomfortable.

Fascinating response.

 

[AG31]

You're looking for an answer which doesn't have to be explained. Some people can explain their taste, and some can't, and even the ones who can still can't really say "why," all they can do is link it to other preferences you could again ask "why" about.

Of course, no question HAS to be answered, outside a legal setting, but it's a treat to find people who are able to explain their (or others') tastes. And you're more likely to find such people here in AH than anywhere else that I've bumped into.