For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Rightguide]

Russia Masses 50,000 Troops Around Sumy in Effort to Overwhelm by Sheer Numbers​

By J.D. Rucker • Jul. 1, 2025

(Zero Hedge)—The Wall Street Journal on Sunday covered the ongoing advance of Russian forces beyond and west of Donetsk, describing that troops are now within 12 miles of the northeastern Ukrainian city of Sumy.

“Having almost entirely ejected Ukrainian forces from the Russian Kursk region earlier this year, Russian forces have now poured over the border in the opposite direction toward Sumy,” the report describes. “With 50,000 troops in the area, they outnumber the Ukrainians roughly 3-to-1, according to soldiers fighting there.”

It should come as no surprise to longtime observers of the war that Moscow taking a slow victory by attrition approach and exhausting the abilities of the other side.

A Ukrainian top military commander has said of the Russians that “Their main strategy is to “wear us down with their numbers.” This also goes for Russia’s superior artillery supply, which earlier in the war was said to outpace Ukraine’s quantity of shells by ten to one.

More here: https://thelibertydaily.com/russia-masses-50000-troops-around-sumy-effort-overwhelm/

The killing continues, seemingly to the last Ukrainian.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Rightguide rooting for the Reds.

Cats and dogs, living together.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Rightguide rooting for the Reds.

Cats and dogs, living together.

Nah, there's a differemce between rooting for the Russians and reporting on what is happening

Rightguide thinks the Russians can win a war of attrition eventually, and thats the war the Russians are fighting. They have crossed into Sumy, but the Ukrainians are fighting from prepared positions, have hot them hard, stopped them, and are now reaking ground. It's a diferemt view as to what's happening, that's all.

I, on the other hand, understand Russia's strategy, but I believe Ukraine's drone units and the millions of drones being producted will turn the attrition in Ukraine's favor. Russia is going nowhere, and their mobilizations in places like Dagestan will spark major unrest in the non-Russiancolonies. That, and the economic damage being inflicted on Russia more and more heavily will result in Russia losing.

I had similar debates back in 2022, where a lot of people said Russian artillery would win the war. Ukraine now has artillery superiority. Same thing now. Attrition will win the war. Nope. Ukraone is not that stupid. They understand attrition and they are not fighting that war. Syrski is quite happy for the Russians to continue attacked. The ZSU will continue slaughtering them. Probably into 2027....Russia will collapse...and the killing will continue to the last Russian is evicted from Greater Ukraine

 

[ChloeTzang]

Economic collapse. Case in point. Heavy explosions coming from the Kupol plant in Izhevsk, Russia. It appears that secondary explosions are occurring in the plan which produces air defense systems. People are fleeing in panic. There are not many of theseplants, and they are being demilitarized. Every attack like this brings the war home to ordinary Russians. Who deserve it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939974041047023616

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah. Biden blew it intially, by not giving Ukraine enough weapos up front. Trumps is blowing it now by not supporting at all, but rather active;y supporting Putin.

It wasn't Biden who blew it originally, it was Obama. Our contribution after Putin invaded was to send BLANKETS to Ukraine.

Trump sent arms.

Arms vs blankets... Who was it again that you say was on Putin's side?

 

[ChloeTzang]

It wasn't Biden who blew it originally, it was Obama. Our contribution after Putin invaded was to send BLANKETS to Ukraine.

Trump sent arms.

Arms vs blankets... Who was it again that you say was on Putin's side?

Yup. Obama and Biden abandned Ukraine

Biden offered Zelensky a ride out and then fucked around on military assistance

Trump's been active helping Putin

What its shows is that Ukraone were fools to ever give up their nukes - and they know that now. Zelensky offered Trump a choice. NATO or nukes.

Trump turned down NATO

Ukraine will get their nukes back. and a lot of other countries will go nuje now too. Our last four Presidents have been (and the current one is) feckless fools

 

[AlexBailey]

It wasn't Biden who blew it originally, it was Obama. Our contribution after Putin invaded was to send BLANKETS to Ukraine.

Trump sent arms.

Arms vs blankets... Who was it again that you say was on Putin's side?

You dishonest fuck.


Remind us who authorizes foreign aid spending and which political party held congress back when Russia invaded Crimeria.

 

[HisArpy]

Russia Masses 50,000 Troops Around Sumy in Effort to Overwhelm by Sheer Numbers​

By J.D. Rucker • Jul. 1, 2025

(Zero Hedge)—The Wall Street Journal on Sunday covered the ongoing advance of Russian forces beyond and west of Donetsk, describing that troops are now within 12 miles of the northeastern Ukrainian city of Sumy.

“Having almost entirely ejected Ukrainian forces from the Russian Kursk region earlier this year, Russian forces have now poured over the border in the opposite direction toward Sumy,” the report describes. “With 50,000 troops in the area, they outnumber the Ukrainians roughly 3-to-1, according to soldiers fighting there.”

It should come as no surprise to longtime observers of the war that Moscow taking a slow victory by attrition approach and exhausting the abilities of the other side.

A Ukrainian top military commander has said of the Russians that “Their main strategy is to “wear us down with their numbers.” This also goes for Russia’s superior artillery supply, which earlier in the war was said to outpace Ukraine’s quantity of shells by ten to one.

More here: https://thelibertydaily.com/russia-masses-50000-troops-around-sumy-effort-overwhelm/

The killing continues, seemingly to the last Ukrainian.

In war, if you want to really hammer your opponent, you go slow and make them take casualties. Force them to come into your meat grinder.

So far, on the surface of events Ukraine appears to be winning because they're making Russia take huge losses. What many who over zealously support Ukraine don't realize is that those Russian losses aren't anything when compared to the Ukrainian losses.

If the war were to just stop today, Ukraine would not be able to continue as an independent nation. It doesn't have the breeding population to sustain itself and it will have to rely on international aid for food.

Russia, OTOH, still does have a breeding population and can still produce its own food.

Ukraine has already lost and most people don't know or understand that simple fact. As the war continues, Ukraine's situation will only get worse until it cannot even sustain its resistance to the inevitable. At that point there will be no Ukraine or Ukrainian people.

Which is what Putin wants and the over zealous supporters of Ukraine don't realize. War isn't a game of small victories, it's a game of attrition and Ukraine is almost out of pieces to place on the board.

 

[HisArpy]

Yup. Obama and Biden abandned Ukraine

Biden offered Zelensky a ride out and then fucked around on military assistance

Trump's been active helping Putin

This is your advocacy talking, not your intellect.

What its shows is that Ukraone were fools to ever give up their nukes - and they know that now. Zelensky offered Trump a choice. NATO or nukes.

If Ukraine had kept their RUSSIAN nukes, there wouldn't BE a Ukraine. There'd be a glowing smoking hole where Ukraine used to be.

Trump turned down NATO

Ukraine will get their nukes back. and a lot of other countries will go nuje now too. Our last four Presidents have been (and the current one is) feckless fools

No they won't get nukes. NATO won't even put nukes there should Ukraine manage to avoid becoming another Russian satellite state. Which is doubtful at this point.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Kupol manufactures the Tor-M2E air defense system, Saman-M1 and Adjutant training complexes, and services them. It also produces gyroscopes, nanocomposites, ultra-pure materials, and equipment for nuclear power, oil extraction, and distilleries. Over 9000 Shahed drones have also been built at this plant in Russia's city of Izhevsk, and it's been violently detonating all day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939933655817666765

No air raid warning and a high number of casualties - hopefully they exterminated a lot of factory workers....

 

[ChloeTzang]

A little more chaos and confusion inflicted on the Russian command structure. When HQs go up in flames and officers drop by the dozen, the battlefield’s not just shifting, it’s hemorrhaging command. A female ambulance attendant is asked about wounded and the reply is that they’re all 200s.

The lethality of 21st century warfare is such that flag ranks, staying at highly "electronically bright/dense" in terms of radio emission major headquarters, are going to die at much rates than in the past.

Electronic Warfare 101 - "If you emit...you die."

And none of this is due to any help from trump. Which makes it even more sweet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939799948268048874

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Good summary of the latest strikes on Russia - multiple kabooms

 

[icanhelp1]

I'd differ from you there. What Don said about Biden was 100% correct, and as for Trump on Ukraine, that also was 100% corrrect.

As for Trump—the so-called “president of peace”—he's been anything but - can't argue with that.
- On the one hand, he's fired a warning shot at Iran and backed Israel, he's cowed the Houthi's, sort of, and he's used airpower to do it rathner than boots on the ground - good
- On the other hand, and far more dangerously, he's overtly and openly supported Putin and backstabbed Zelensky, more or less openly supporting Putin's terrorism campaign against Ukrainian civilians and failing to provide any ongoing support for Ukraine beyond what Biden arraged, and nt only that, he has not agreed to seel any air defense systems or weapons to Ukraine and took away 20,000 missiles that were urgently needed for the defense of Ukrainian civilians. Makes him more the "president of mass murder"

In the face of an unprovoked invasion by America’s adversary, he chose narcissism over principle. He floated mafia-style demands, dangled aid like ransom, and cut support when Ukraine didn’t bow. That isn’t diplomacy. It’s extortion. And THAT is 100% correct, it was openly stated and done, and it's completelt reprehensible and cannot be denied.

There were two approaches that Trump could take to broker a peace deal, one is the carrot and the other is the stick. Trump chose the carrot. He didn't want to provide weapons to Ukraine while attempting to broker a peace deal. In Trump's mind that approach was counter productive. I believe we will see the stick side of Trump's dealing with Putin. Not sure what that will look like but in my opinion loading up the Baltic states, Poland and especially Finland, arming them to the teeth would be the preferred choice, certainly will have a negative affect on Putin's grandiose plan. I do believe Trump will want arms deals done in secret.
IMHO... Strongly advising NATO to up the ante up to 5% of GDP allows the US to concentrate on east Asia. Who knows, maybe we'll be buying drones from Zelenskyy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

There were two approaches that Trump could take to broker a peace deal, one is the carrot and the other is the stick. Trump chose the carrot. He didn't want to provide weapons to Ukraine while attempting to broker a peace deal. In Trump's mind that approach was counter productive. I believe we will see the stick side of Trump's dealing with Putin. Not sure what that will look like but in my opinion loading up the Baltic states, Poland and especially Finland, arming them to the teeth would be the preferred choice, certainly will have a negative affect on Putin's grandiose plan. I do believe Trump will want arms deals done in secret.
IMHO... Strongly advising NATO to up the ante up to 5% of GDP allows the US to concentrate on east Asia. Who knows, maybe we'll be buying drones from Zelenskyy.

You're a lot more positive on Trump than I now am.

He chose a carrot for Putin and a stick for Ukraine, and it's pretty obvious that Putin wants no peace deal. He's read Trump like a book and he knows how to play him. And that's assuming they don't have anything on Trump which, given Trump's actions and words, I strongly suspect is the case.

This was an easy win for Trump, and he blew it out the gate. He can't save Russia now.

And Ukraine has once more advanced into Kursk Oblast, advancing into the village of Mykolaivka, where they have secured a strategically important bridgehead.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Putin's Financial Nightmare - Russia is now going into an economic freefall, slashing military spending just as the war reaches a critical tipping point - Russia is staring a recession in the face - all while NATO is raising spending and pouring funding into Ukraine. Years of overspending have drained Russia’s reserves, forcing a sudden reversal: major cuts to military funding. Behind the façade of growth, inflation, interest rates, sanctions, and labor shortages are strangling the economy. With troop losses mounting and industrial cracks widening, Russia’s war machine is starting to buckle.

 

[dmallord]

Provide a direct quote or STFU.

MajorRewrite said:
Sane people: “Trump praised Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, right from the start.”

MAGA sheep: “Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiden! Biiiiiiiden! Biiiiiden is old!”

A direct quote that speaks truthfully.

 

[icanhelp1]

You're a lot more positive on Trump than I now am.

He chose a carrot for Putin and a stick for Ukraine, and it's pretty obvious that Putin wants no peace deal. He's read Trump like a book and he knows how to play him. And that's assuming they don't have anything on Trump which, given Trump's actions and words, I strongly suspect is the case.

This was an easy win for Trump, and he blew it out the gate. He can't save Russia now.

And Ukraine has once more advanced into Kursk Oblast, advancing into the village of Mykolaivka, where they have secured a strategically important bridgehead.

Trump has on so many occasions smiled in Putin’s face while kicking him in the balls. Trump hatred is so prevalent people refuse to acknowledge what he’s done. It was Biden that lifted sanctions on Nord Stream II. Putin is the big dog on the block and has to be treated differently. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Most conversations with Trump haters eventually end up as a waste of time and energy.

 

[Rightguide]

In war, if you want to really hammer your opponent, you go slow and make them take casualties. Force them to come into your meat grinder.

So far, on the surface of events Ukraine appears to be winning because they're making Russia take huge losses. What many who over zealously support Ukraine don't realize is that those Russian losses aren't anything when compared to the Ukrainian losses.

If the war were to just stop today, Ukraine would not be able to continue as an independent nation. It doesn't have the breeding population to sustain itself and it will have to rely on international aid for food.

Russia, OTOH, still does have a breeding population and can still produce its own food.

Ukraine has already lost and most people don't know or understand that simple fact. As the war continues, Ukraine's situation will only get worse until it cannot even sustain its resistance to the inevitable. At that point there will be no Ukraine or Ukrainian people.

Which is what Putin wants and the over zealous supporters of Ukraine don't realize. War isn't a game of small victories, it's a game of attrition and Ukraine is almost out of pieces to place on the board.

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

 

[ll74]

The West and Ukraine would have done well to study the Battle of Stalingrad. Despite losing over 1.2 million people, the Soviets decisively destroyed the Wehrmacht’s 6th Army, then considered Nazi Germany’s most elite force, along with support from the 4th Panzer Army. By the time American boots hit Omaha Beach, the Red Army had already inflicted nearly 80% of Germany’s total World War II casualties. This wasn’t just a matter of brute force; it reflected something deeper about the Russian psyche. Historically drawn to authoritarian leadership, Russia has shown again and again a terrifying willingness to endure staggering losses when it believes the motherland is at stake. That doesn’t make them noble, but it makes them dangerous. And any nation contemplating conflict with Russia ought to grasp this reality before imagining war will follow a Western script. The West’s misreading of this mindset may be one of its greatest strategic errors in the Ukraine conflict.

This isn't the same type of warfare.

Drones > soldiers

 

[Rightguide]

This isn't the same type of warfare.

Drones > soldiers

Doesn't matter. It's the willingness to sacrifice and having the manpower to do so that matters here.

 

[ll74]

Doesn't matter.

To you.
Because of your admiration of Putin.

It's the willingness to sacrifice and having the manpower to do so that matters here.

Men running into drones.
One man operating multiple drones.

It matters.

 

[ll74]

Russian and Ukrainian Drones Have Changed Warfare Forever​

 

[ll74]

Another question - if this is a war of attrition, why is Russia targeting civilian infrastructure in their attacks?