Category Changes Happened

[pink_silk_glove]

For a minute yesterday, I asked myself if it was always Taboo/Incest… yet it was always referred to as I/T in short… I couldn’t trust my memory. What do we think is the explanation? That the site wants to emphasize that the category is broader than straight incest?

If Laurel sees the problem as Incest drowning out all other forms of Taboo she is correct. However, this won't change a fucking thing. The category will still be run over by incest. The only way to get all other Taboo out of the shadow of Incest is to separate Incest and Taboo into their own categories. Interracial is Taboo, and it gets its own category. Why can't Age Gap or some sort of Authority Taboo (doctor/patient, teacher/student, etc) get their own too?

This is bungled pretty hard.

 

[NotWise]

Were any categories lost in the shuffle?

 

[iwatchus]

As for LW, surely a change must be in the works, despite all these years of thinking it’d never happen. If I had to guess, it’d be: “Cheating Spouses” vs “Consensual Non-Monogamy”

I would hope "Cheating Spouses" vs "Swinging" or something less clinincal sounding than "Consensual Non-Monogamy"

 

[Voyeurkenneth]

I would hope "Cheating Spouses" vs "Swinging" or something less clinincal sounding than "Consensual Non-Monogamy"

I agree it’s pretty dull, but I’d imagine it’d have to capture cuckold/hotwife/cuckquean/swinging. I just saw in the other similar thread PSG suggested Sharing. That’s probably more apt and snappier.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I agree it’s pretty dull, but I’d imagine it’d have to capture cuckold/hotwife/cuckquean/swinging. I just saw in the other similar thread PSG suggested Sharing. That’s probably more apt and snappier.

If it were up to me LW would be split into 2 categories.

One would be called Infidelity or Cheating & Infidelity.
The other would be called Hotwives, Sharing and Swinging.

 

[iwatchus]

If it were up to me LW would be split into 2 categories.

One would be called Infidelity or Cheating & Infidelity.
The other would be called Hotwives, Sharing and Swinging.

Those are good category titles.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Also notice that the category description for Taboo/Incest reads ...

Keeping it in the family.

Which does everything to reinforce that non-incest taboo does not belong there. And since there is no category for non-incest taboo (except Interracial) there is no place to publish it other than EC, which in reality is Miscellaneous Vanilla - a terrible place for something not quite so vanilla.

 

[PennyThompson]

It's a Pride Month miracle!!

This is so genuinely great, thank you @Laurel and @Manu so much for responding to feedback on this The new category subtitle, "Trans love, lust, sex & self discovery," is wonderful too.

I'll probably put in a category change request for my cosplay story which likely belongs in crossdressing but ended up in transgender. With thousands and thousands of stories formerly in T&C I'm sure there are many miscategorizations that will have to get shaken out over time.

Ahhh this really makes me happy, I guess a leopard really can change his shorts!

 

[PennyThompson]

if I could wave a magic wang I'd just

You can do that in the transgender category now

 

[MelissaBaby]

Also notice that the category description for Taboo/Incest reads ...



Which does everything to reinforce that non-incest taboo does not belong there. And since there is no category for non-incest taboo (except Interracial) there is no place to publish it other than EC, which in reality is Miscellaneous Vanilla - a terrible place for something not quite so vanilla.

Just curious, but what other allowable subjects are there that would belong under Taboo that wouldn’t just as easily fit in Fetish?

 

[Escierto]

All my stories are now in the Transgender category which is where they should be. Very good!

 

[PennyThompson]

Just curious, but what other allowable subjects are there that would belong under Taboo that wouldn’t just as easily fit in Fetish?

I'm wondering the same thing. Doctor/patient? Priest/Parishioner? Any non-incest "taboo" topics I can think of -- that are allowed under Lit content rules -- seem so tame and vanilla compared to incest.

 

[StillStunned]

If there's incest, is there also outcest? Is that where you discover your gay side through sex with a sibling? Or is incest where you keep it secret, and outcest is where you announce it to the world?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Just curious, but what other allowable subjects are there that would belong under Taboo that wouldn’t just as easily fit in Fetish?

Off the top of my head, say a vanilla intercourse/relationship between a guy and a nun?

Taboo in general is culture and society dependent, and while Western society has shed much of its former taboos, Eastern cultures still have plenty of those. I imagine those kinds of taboos would be the primary subject for such a category.

It probably wouldn't be a very big category, who knows, but I don't see that it would be smaller than, say, the new CD category. It's great that some things can change on Lit, and I am happy that some people feel more at home in the new TG category, but as I said in another thread, these changes are likely based on who has Laurel's ear more than anything else.

 

[_pdy_]

Had this account for awhile, first time posting in the forum .

I agree Transgender and Crossdressing should be two separate categories. Just wondering what others think would be a reasonable amount of time to wait for things to settle with the changes? Maybe there's still work being done behind the scenes to clean things up.

It doesn't look like the stories within the original TG&CD category were split based on content (probably way too big of a task). The new CD category has a generic description, and when browsing, the newest story is from 2023. When submitting a new story, the option to select Crossdressing is not yet available either, so there will likely still be stories that should fall under CD that will be submitted to TG.

Realistically, all of my own stories fit better within the CD category, but are all grouped under TG right now. Has there been a change like this before? Should I wait for a bit before submitting a request to re-categorize my stuff?

 

[PennyThompson]

Had this account for awhile, first time posting in the forum .

I agree Transgender and Crossdressing should be two separate categories. Just wondering what others think would be a reasonable amount of time to wait for things to settle with the changes? Maybe there's still work being done behind the scenes to clean things up.

It doesn't look like the stories within the original TG&CD category were split based on content (probably way too big of a task). The new CD category has a generic description, and when browsing, the newest story is from 2023. When submitting a new story, the option to select Crossdressing is not yet available either, so there will likely still be stories that should fall under CD that will be submitted to TG.

Realistically, all of my own stories fit better within the CD category, but are all grouped under TG right now. Has there been a change like this before? Should I wait for a bit before submitting a request to re-categorize my stuff?

It doesn't look like we've gotten any official guidance or announcement on any of this, yet. I'm guessing Manu will make an announcement about category changes in the Site News Forum eventually, but transparency and timely communication isn't always Lit's strongest attribute

My guess is that there's a lot of manual data labor happening under the hood to make this shift, if your stories were published after 2023 I would probably just hang tight for a while and see what happens?

 

[Bamagan]

One tiny update: when I checked about 20 minutes ago, Crossdressing had been added to the list of category options for new stories. The ones whose names got flipped still appeared the same. I can only guess that they're still tinkering, even as we speculate.

 

[NotWise]

Just curious, but what other allowable subjects are there that would belong under Taboo that wouldn’t just as easily fit in Fetish?

A lot of the kinks covered by other categories are taboo to one degree or another.

I put a short in-law story into I/T on the basis of it's being taboo, but I don't think it would qualify as a fetish.

 

[_pdy_]

It doesn't look like we've gotten any official guidance or announcement on any of this, yet. I'm guessing Manu will make an announcement about category changes in the Site News Forum eventually, but transparency and timely communication isn't always Lit's strongest attribute

My guess is that there's a lot of manual data labor happening under the hood to make this shift, if your stories were published after 2023 I would probably just hang tight for a while and see what happens?

Waiting for the dust to settle seems like the best move. A lot of my stuff is kind of old, and I don't mind them being in the wrong category for the time being. More concerned about the continuity of some existing stuff fitting into the right category if I ever get around to submitting new stuff. Could just be a bit of minor OCD wanting stuff to fit together haha.

One tiny update: when I checked about 20 minutes ago, Crossdressing had been added to the list of category options for new stories. The ones whose names got flipped still appeared the same. I can only guess that they're still tinkering, even as we speculate.

Nice! I guess this answers my question about potential new stuff I submit, if I ever get around to it

 

[stickygirl]

They also changed it from Transsexual to Transgender.

Hmmm.... I think that may have been a while ago. I made the suggestion for the updated LGBT 'sexual -> 'gender a couple of years ago, then it got the QIA added.
I used to be offended by the 'sexual term, which was old-fashioned and not exactly accurate. These days there's so much bastardisation of trans-anything that I've given up! The verb form still rankles and I wonder who has charge of the transgenderisation gun to fire at people to transgender them So many transgendered people got hosed with that thing: no wonder there are so many transgenders walking the street.

 

[Bamagan]

Just curious, but what other allowable subjects are there that would belong under Taboo that wouldn’t just as easily fit in Fetish?

The only taboo I can think of that seems both thematically aligned with Incest and approximately as strong would be responsible adult with a minor, in whatever variation: teacher/student, priest/choirboy, etc. So effectively, yeah, pretty much just Incest in that category.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Several authors in the old T/C category are active on this forum. I was just curious if any of them were contacted or any of them have a complaint about which category their stories got assigned to.

I write predominantly in that category and was not contacted but have always felt that sissy/daddy stuff and futa stories should be in a different category that those that explore being transgender. If you pressed me, I couldn't tell you how to make that distinction other than I've described.

When I look at my Works list, they're all still labeled Transgendered & Crossdressers. In the Category lists, I think all of mine have landed in Transgendered. I guess I'll see if that holds true as the databases update over the next few days.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

If Laurel sees the problem as Incest drowning out all other forms of Taboo she is correct. However, this won't change a fucking thing. The category will still be run over by incest. The only way to get all other Taboo out of the shadow of Incest is to separate Incest and Taboo into their own categories. Interracial is Taboo, and it gets its own category. Why can't Age Gap or some sort of Authority Taboo (doctor/patient, teacher/student, etc) get their own too?

This is bungled pretty hard.

Good reason to create sub categories Taboo/Incest, Taboo/Age Gap, Taboo/ Toe cheese fetish...

 

[iwatchus]

When I look at my Works list, they're all still labeled Transgendered & Crossdressers. In the Category lists, I think all of mine have landed in Transgendered. I guess I'll see if that holds true as the databases update over the next few days.

When I just checked, most of your stories are listed for me as Transgender, none as Crossdressing.

 

[Bamagan]

So many transgendered people got hosed with that thing: no wonder there are so many transgenders walking the street.

Especially if one's community doesn't care much for mass transit.