Will We strike Fordo? Update: We did

[ll74]

Two questions

1. Will we take action?

2. Should we take action?

 

[ll74]

Source for context

https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproje...ear-plant-effective-expert/story?id=123013773

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Fordo will be struck. Whether or not US B2s and bunker bombs are used is tbd but the facility will be targeted.

PM: Israel will ‘hit all nuclear facilities,’ has destroyed half of Iran’s launchers​

In rare Hebrew interview, Netanyahu says campaign ‘ahead of schedule’ and that IDF can strike Fordo without US if needed; also states offensive will aid hostages’ return as ‘Hamas relies on Iran’​

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-is...lities-has-destroyed-half-of-irans-launchers/

 

[ll74]

Fordo will be struck. Whether or not US B2s and bunker bombs are used is tbd but the facility will be targeted.

Thank you for your response.

Question: is the US going to strike?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Thank you for your response.

Question: is the US going to strike?

Nobody knows. Fluid and multidimensional situation. Doubt Trump has made a final decision yet but my guess is 70% probability the US strikes.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Question: is the US going to strike?

My guess is Trump is vacillating.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

My guess is Trump is vacillating.

The president has said as much himself. He’s not rushing to make a decision nor should he.

 

[ll74]

My guess is Trump is vacillating.

He is trying to make people think he has control

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

He is trying to make people think he has control

No shit Sherlock. The President is in control of deciding whether or not to deploy US military assets to strike Fordo.

 

[ll74]

No shit Sherlock. The President is in control of deciding whether or not to deploy US military assets to strike Fordo.

The President is not in control of anything currently.

He is a cuck.

Israel thanks him for serving dinner.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No shit Sherlock. The President is in control of deciding whether or not to deploy US military assets to strike Fordo.

Netanyahu is running this and Trump is sitting on the fence, afraid to commit, afraid to help, but still talking shit as if he's in charge. Basically, TACO is out of his depth, blustering again, and afraid to get off the fence because Iran more than likely has assets inside the USA. If I was them, I sure would, and I'd have easy targets lined up too. Look at what Ukraine has done with FPV's. And Israel too, inside Iran. LOL. They sure didn't expect that one but the USA has no excuse for not expecting that kind of attack now.

 

[alexgriffin74]

I can't reliably answer your questions because this administration doesn't act rationally.

Were it a "regular" administration, I would say there would be probably a 60-70% chance that we would strike Fordo. Past administrations have stood by Israel almost 100% in the past. Why stop now? Not to mention Israel is our number one arms buyer. So, supporting them is good for business..right?

As to the 2nd question, no. There is no upside for the US to hit Fordo. Any type of strike isn't going to kill Iran's quest for a nuclear weapon. It is almost impossible to kill an idea. Set it back? Absolutely. But not kill it. Plus, these strikes are having the opposite effect; they are strengthening the "if we had nukes, they wouldn't dare bomb us" thinking in Iran. Without regime change to a less bellicose stance (doubtful at this point) bombing Fordo has no long-term political benefit.

Getting involved only opens the door to Iran striking back at the US. Not only directly, like missile strikes on our mid-east bases but also indirectly with terror attacks on Americans overseas and possibly even here in the US.

A rational administration would hopefully take these points into consideration and conclude that there is no upside worth bombing Fordo

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Netanyahu is running this and Trump is sitting on the fence, afraid to commit, afraid to help, but still talking shit as if he's in charge. Basically, TACO is out of his depth, blustering again, and afraid to get off the fence because Iran more than likely has assets inside the USA. If I was them, I sure would, and I'd have easy targets lined up too. Look at what Ukraine has done with FPV's. And Israel too, inside Iran. LOL. They sure didn't expect that one but the USA has no excuse for not expecting that kind of attack now.

The prime minister of Israel is in control of Israel’s war against Iran. The president of the US is commander in chief of the US military. Incredible how naive you and 1174 are!

 

[ChloeTzang]

I would suspect the end game here is regime change, to spark and internal overthrow of the mullahs - and there was a buf left wing revolutionary movement that did fight an undergound war against the regime for a few years, and god knows there's a big anti-mullah mass of people out there in Iran's cities. The problem is the mullah's mass of support was from the countryside and the villages, from what I read, and the Islamic guards are the ones with the guns.... regime change is going to be hard to achieve, and Trump keeps talking about negotiating rather than wiping out the ruling regime.

And as Alex points out, all this establishs is that smaller countries NEED nukes to defend themselves against major powers. North Korea and Ukraine, and now Iran, prove that in spades. What Trump has really done with Iran, and with his backstabbing of Ukraine, is to guarantee nuclear proliferation. MOst western countries did not go nuke because they sheltered behind the USA's nuclear shield. Trump has stripped the certainty about that away - and by stripping support from Ukraine, he is guaranteeing that any country that feels threatened by a major power is going to go nuke.

Poland. Ukraine. Turkey. Finland. Taiwan. Vietnam. South Korea. Even Japan. Possibly Australia. That's really all this is achieving in the end. An Iranian regime chage would be a bonus, but even with that, Iram will probably develop nukes in the end regardless.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The prime minister of Israel is in control of Israel’s war against Iran. The president of the US is commander in chief of the US military. Incredible how naive you and 1174 are!

True, absolutely, but TACO can't make up his mind whether to shit or get off the pot. He's in his two week cycle on Iran now.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump announced Iran's getting two weeks for negotiations......he's trying to find an off-ramp for Iran, and MAGA doesn't want any more Middle-East wars, while the hard-line Reoublicans want Iran taken out....

TACO's prevarications and mood swings (is he going thru menopause?) reduce the chances of actually finishing this with a net positive outcome. and the USA won't get any help from anyone else this time around. Trump is on his own. The joys of backstabbing your former allies.

"An unhinged President with a very short attention span..."
"You saw that in Mr Trump's hesitation… I don't think they can decide what to do."
The White House has to put its "grown-up pants on" and realise the Iran-Israel conflict could spiral....

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

True, absolutely, but TACO can't make up his mind whether to shit or get off the pot. He's in his two week cycle on Iran now.

Please explain why you believe a decision must be made immediately.

 

[Rightguide]

The president has said as much himself. He’s not rushing to make a decision nor should he.

There may be operations underway on the ground to improve our ability to accurately target the installation. Israel is known to have special forces operating inside Iran; it's entirely possible U.S. assets are there as well, conducting surveillance to identify critical features like ventilation shafts, access points, or structural weak spots. If President Trump decides to authorize a strike, it’s clear he would want to minimize the risk of failure. Given the depth and fortification of the Fordow facility, it may ultimately require a coordinated ground component, either to guide precision munitions or to carry out a direct sabotage mission.

 

[Lazaran]

• DonOld will do exactly what Putin tells him to do.

• Putin will tell DonOld not too bomb Fordo (he actually already has told DonOld not to bomb Fordo through the media - and probably directly).

• DonOld will NOT bomb Fordo.

Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Please explain why you believe a decision must be made immediately.

If you're going to take out Iran's nukes, take 'em out and be done with it. Iran isn't going to back down on this one. You blow 'em or you don't get involved at all. Trump involved the USA and now he has to see it thru or he simply confirms he is President TACO indeed, and the USA is a paper tiger, too afraid to do anything. Like it or not, Trump has committed us alongside Israel. Which means we take out Iran's nuclear capabilities at the very least, and that means blowing Fordo. If not, Trump and the USA look like what we in fact are rapidly becoming. A has-been superpower. Which we are in Europe now anyhow. More of an irrelevance, but one than can still bite.

Now, we ARE committed. Trump has involved us. So now we do it. Trump is just fucking it up with all is vacillating, fucking off Iran and fucking off Israel. We are NOT a reliable ally, and we are proving that again and again.

 

[ChloeTzang]

• DonOld will do exactly what Putin tells him to do.

• Putin will tell DonOld not too bomb Fordo (he actually already has told DonOld not to bomb Fordo through the media - and probably directly).

• DonOld will NOT bomb Fordo.

You may well be right. Trump is doing everything else Putin tells him to do.

Two-Week TACO will blame Biden in a fortnight.

 

[ll74]

The prime minister of Israel is in control of Israel’s war against Iran. The president of the US is commander in chief of the US military. Incredible how naive you and 1174 are!

Our President is Netanyahu's cuck.

 

[Lazaran]

You may well be right. Trump is doing everything else Putin tells him to do.

Two-Week TACO will blame Biden in a fortnight.

I know I’m right. And DonOld has already blamed President Biden.

Fortunately, I have full faith that Israel can do the job themselves.

Israel can probably deliver enough GBU-28s on target to end production at Fordo, and then take some time developing their own massive bunker buster & delivery system to finish the job.

The Israelis are clever & resourceful- just like the Ukrainians.

America used to be like that - before DonOld & the “Know Less Than Nothings” (the MAGAt republicans party).





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

If you're going to take out Iran's nukes, take 'em out and be done with it. Iran isn't going to back down on this one. You blow 'em or you don't get involved at all. Trump involved the USA and now he has to see it thru or he simply confirms he is President TACO indeed, and the USA is a paper tiger, too afraid to do anything. Like it or not, Trump has committed us alongside Israel. Which means we take out Iran's nuclear capabilities at the very least, and that means blowing Fordo. If not, Trump and the USA look like what we in fact are rapidly becoming. A has-been superpower. Which we are in Europe now anyhow. More of an irrelevance, but one than can still bite.

Now, we ARE committed. Trump has involved us. So now we do it. Trump is just fucking it up with all is vacillating, fucking off Iran and fucking off Israel. We are NOT a reliable ally, and we are proving that again and again.

My question was why the US should bomb today? Are you sure all the intelligence needed to execute the mission is in and verified. Are you certain all the military assets are in place at this moment? Are you certain that it would not be better to wait until Iran has depleted is missile stocks further? Are you certain about Israel’s timing preference? Have embassies and military bases been fully prepared?

Those are just a few of the relevant questions you haven’t even thought about.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Maybe the plan is to take the elevator down and flip the off switch.