New York Times editorial praises Trump for belatedly realizing Netanyahu was using him

[RobDownSouth]

Today I saw two things I never expected to see in my lifetime:

• Three time Pulitzer Prize editorial winner Thomas J. Friedman actually praising Donald Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East
• The New York Times editorial page delivering a scalding critique of the current Israeli government.

The Bottom Line:
"The notion that Israel has a government that is no longer behaving as an American ally, and should not be considered as such, is a shocking and bitter pill for Israel’s friends in Washington to swallow — but swallow it they must."

https://i.imgur.com/7OTf00t.png​

President Trump travels to the Middle East next week, meeting with Middle Eastern leaders of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. He is not making the traditional "stop over" in Israel, a rarity for an American leader.

Over the past month, Americans have opened negotiations with three of Israel's "enemies", the Houthis in Yemen, the Iranians and Hamas. The United States has not included Israel in these discussions, nor updated Israel after the fact.

Both the Americans and the Saudis recognize now that Israel has no interest in a two-state solution any longer. Since the Israelis have completely reneged publicly and privately on their commitment to a two-state solution, the United States made a MAJOR change in foreign policy towards Israel and Saudi Arabia yesterday that was buried in the news by the new Pope story:

The United States will no longer require the normalization of foreign relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel as the primary condition of assisting Saudi Arabia develop a nuclear energy program.
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Basically, the United States told the world that it drop any and all opposition to anyone selling their expertise in developing nuclear powered energy technology in Saudi Arabia. Israel's Gazan tantrum is having major repercussions: the next generation of Israelis will be forced to deal with the very real possibility of having their Saudi neighbors possessing an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

.....and Israel has no one to blame but themselves for this self-inflicted wound. Specifically, Benjamin Netanyahu and Bezalel Smotrich.

Donald Trump has now disavowed his kinship with two of his fellow autocratic authoritarian kin in the past month....Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu. They both played him for a sucker in his first term. This time, on the surface anyway, things seem much much different.

As I'm fond of saying...."Actions have consequences"

Israel's blithe admission it will resume its warmongering campaign soon is now destabilizing governments in both Jordan and Egypt, and Friedman goes so far as to call Israel "Vietnam on the Mediterranean"​

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Israel



We. Told. Them. So.

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[Lazaran]

Today I saw two things I never expected to see in my lifetime:

• Three time Pulitzer Prize editorial winner Thomas J. Friedman actually praising Donald Trump's foreign policy in the Middle East
• The New York Times editorial page delivering a scalding critique of the current Israeli government.

The Bottom Line:
"The notion that Israel has a government that is no longer behaving as an American ally, and should not be considered as such, is a shocking and bitter pill for Israel’s friends in Washington to swallow — but swallow it they must."

https://i.imgur.com/7OTf00t.png​

President Trump travels to the Middle East next week, meeting with Middle Eastern leaders of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. He is not making the traditional "stop over" in Israel, a rarity for an American leader.

Over the past month, Americans have opened negotiations with three of Israel's "enemies", the Houthis in Yemen, the Iranians and Hamas. The United States has not included Israel in these discussions, nor updated Israel after the fact.

Both the Americans and the Saudis recognize now that Israel has no interest in a two-state solution any longer. Since the Israelis have completely reneged publicly and privately on their commitment to a two-state solution, the United States made a MAJOR change in foreign policy towards Israel and Saudi Arabia yesterday that was buried in the news by the new Pope story:

The United States will no longer require the normalization of foreign relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel as the primary condition of assisting Saudi Arabia develop a nuclear energy program.



Basically, the United States told the world that it drop any and all opposition to anyone selling their expertise in developing nuclear powered energy technology in Saudi Arabia. Israel's Gazan tantrum is having major repercussions: the next generation of Israelis will be forced to deal with the very real possibility of having their Saudi neighbors possessing an arsenal of nuclear weapons.



.....and Israel has no one to blame but themselves for this self-inflicted wound. Specifically, Benjamin Netanyahu and Bezalel Smotrich.



Donald Trump has now disavowed his kinship with two of his fellow autocratic authoritarian kin in the past month....Vladimir Putin and Benjamin Netanyahu. They both played him for a sucker in his first term. This time, on the surface anyway, things seem much much different.



As I'm fond of saying...."Actions have consequences"



Israel's blithe admission it will resume its warmongering campaign soon is now destabilizing governments in both Jordan and Egypt, and Friedman goes so far as to call Israel "Vietnam on the Mediterranean"

​

Israel



We. Told. Them. So.

​

Hamas & 10/7 for the win???

A nuclear armed Saudi Arabia is a good thing???



Also:

The fact that Team Trump is finally getting wise to Netanyahu, etc, and POTENTIALLY undercutting them, doesn’t / won’t amount to anything but further / exacerbated destabilization in the region. (The "new position" from Team Trump is probably due to the plans for “Trump Gaza Hotel & Resort” being dismissed by everyone - including the Israelis.)



Meanwhile:

Trump has pushed China and Russia, etc, closer together than ever (See: Today’s "Victory" celebration in Russia), while simultaneously alienating the EU & Ukraine (The minerals deal did NOT endear America to the Ukrainians, as evidenced by recent statements from President Zelenskyy about moving from the dollar to the Euro).



Ultimately:

NOTHING is better NOW - and things are arguably MUCH WORSE. The constantly shifting foreign policy moves (ETC) from DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are NOT helpful, imho. The transactional nature :/ approach of Trumpist foreign policy (ETC) is fucking dumb and dangerous.

Hope that ^ helps.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[VamPal1]

Bottom line: Trump can't be trusted from one day to the next.

 

[Lazaran]

Bottom line: Trump can't be trusted from one day to the next.

And THAT ^ is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS when he is THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"We've got to bomb this children's hospital into rubble because...because....10/7!"

World opinion no longer accepts that malarkey.

And I see no direct threat to the United States if Saudi Arabia has nukes.
Besides, Israel has nukes, this just levels the playing field.
A return to "mutually assured destruction".

 

[Lance_Castro]

I am more inclined to believe that trump is simply talking out of both sides of his mouth.

My donald trump just wants everything.

So yeah, he is with israel in wiping out palestine

And yeah, he is buddies with the arabs in expanding the abraham accords

He thinks he can have it all, same as always and in all things.

And as always for him, it will fail eventually.

But what does he care? He’s old. Fuck the future.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I am more inclined to believe that trump is simply talking out of both sides of his mouth.

My donald trump just wants everything.

So yeah, he is with israel in wiping out palestine

And yeah, he is buddies with the arabs in expanding the abraham accords

He thinks he can have it all, same as always and in all things.

And as always for him, it will fail eventually.

But what does he care? He’s old. Fuck the future.

You might just be right. "All things for everyone", then when one side blows up, he wholeheartedly embraces the "winning" statement and stuffs the "losing" statement down the memory hole.

 

[Lazaran]

You might just be right. "All things for everyone", then when one side blows up, he wholeheartedly embraces the "winning" statement and stuffs the "losing" statement down the memory hole.

Lacy “might just be right”???



Lacy just went “Full Captain Obvious”.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Lacy “might just be right”???



Lacy just went “Full Captain Obvious”.



We. Told. Them. So.

Hahahaha!

 

[tinta]

its not an editorial

 

[ll74]

its not an editorial

Lol...of course

 

[AnomalyLady]

Does the US getting involved with wars generally help?

I’m young. Don’t berate me without spanks, too.

 

[Politruk]

Does the US getting involved with wars generally help?

Only when it's one we can win fast, like the 1991 Gulf War. Otherwise, usually not.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Washington Post
Rank and file Israeli citizens confused and hurt as to why American President no longer does Israel's bidding

Trump's ambassador to Israel, the newly bearded Mike Huckabee, said that "America does not have to ask Israel's permission to do anything".

Article feature quite a bit of off-the-record carping about the growing schism between MAGE extremists and Israel.

Details about Netanyahu's visit to Washington earlier this year were leaked, evidently the meeting was not very....cordial. "Almost as bad as Trump's meeting with Zelensky". Whew.

The news about the United States suddenly permitting Saudi Arabia to purchase nuclear technology has the general population in Israel rather spooked.

 

[colddiesel]

The real change will come when the American based Jewish lobby finally realizes that Netanyahu and his cronies do not represent the fundamental interests of either Jews or Israelis. That will take a little time and not be shouted from the 'rooftops ' of Social media - but it is starting to happen.

 

[Lazaran]

The real change will come when the American based Jewish lobby finally realizes that Netanyahu and his cronies do not represent the fundamental interests of either Jews or Israelis. That will take a little time and not be shouted from the 'rooftops ' of Social media - but it is starting to happen.

Yeah, no.

Netanyahu DOES represent the fundamental interests of Jews and Israelis when it comes to Israel’s national security and the survival of the Jewish state.

Netanyahu can be rightfully condemned for corruption, authoritarian actions, and personal shortcomings, but reversing what Netanyahu is currently doing regarding Hamas, Gaza, etc, would be the self-genocide of the Israeli Jews and the end of the Jewish state of Israel.

Of course, if one supports the genocide of Israeli Jews and the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel, then…

 

[JohnEngelman]

There cannot be a two state solution, because the Israelis and the Palestinians hate each other. The Palestinians need to be deported. There is plenty f room for them in the Arab world.

 

[jomar]

Hamas & 10/7 for the win???

A nuclear armed Saudi Arabia is a good thing???



Also:

The fact that Team Trump is finally getting wise to Netanyahu, etc, and POTENTIALLY undercutting them, doesn’t / won’t amount to anything but further / exacerbated destabilization in the region. (The "new position" from Team Trump is probably due to the plans for “Trump Gaza Hotel & Resort” being dismissed by everyone - including the Israelis.)



Meanwhile:

Trump has pushed China and Russia, etc, closer together than ever (See: Today’s "Victory" celebration in Russia), while simultaneously alienating the EU & Ukraine (The minerals deal did NOT endear America to the Ukrainians, as evidenced by recent statements from President Zelenskyy about moving from the dollar to the Euro).



Ultimately:

NOTHING is better NOW - and things are arguably MUCH WORSE. The constantly shifting foreign policy moves (ETC) from DonOld & the MAGAt republicans are NOT helpful, imho. The transactional nature :/ approach of Trumpist foreign policy (ETC) is fucking dumb and dangerous.

Hope that ^ helps.



We. Told. Them. So.

The bolded text is probably closer to the truth. trump is so one dimensionally transactional he does not see context, nuance or layer of a broader perspective, though he probably wouldn’t care if he could if it didn’t suit his agenda.

 

[Lazaran]

The bolded text is probably closer to the truth. trump is so one dimensionally transactional he does not see context, nuance or layer of a broader perspective, though he probably wouldn’t care if he could if it didn’t suit his agenda.

One dimensionally transactional and one directionally transactional - especially when the other side has little to offer in the way of treasure / tribute.

See also:

Hamas recently released the last living American hostage, thinking they were gaining advantage / favor with DonOld, and thus undercutting Israel, but DonOld already got the headline he wanted (and Hamas doesn’t have anything else that DonOld wants / needs), so expect to see Gaza (and its growing humanitarian crisi) completely ignored from here on out.

Oops.

Maybe Saudi Arabia and Qatar will have better "luck" (enough treasure / tribute).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[colddiesel]

Yeah, no.

Netanyahu DOES represent the fundamental interests of Jews and Israelis when it comes to Israel’s national security and the survival of the Jewish state.

Netanyahu can be rightfully condemned for corruption, authoritarian actions, and personal shortcomings, but reversing what Netanyahu is currently doing regarding Hamas, Gaza, etc, would be the self-genocide of the Israeli Jews and the end of the Jewish state of Israel.

Of course, if one supports the genocide of Israeli Jews and the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel, then…

Netanyahu and Hamas are both murderous genocidal thugs with genocidal ambitions.

The so called 'Two state solution' is a dead letter, it has not got the slightest chance of succeeding. However, the Arab states have no obligation to take on millions more Palestinians, whose ancestors have lived in most of the area defined as Israel for thousands of years. The Jordanians for example have already got about 2.5 million and no resources to cope with them.

I have absolutely no idea what the eventual outcome will be, save for the sense that American voter support for funding Israel will eventually decline, especially in the event of a significant economic recession in the USA.

The snide comment of your last sentence is unworthy of you.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Netanyahu and Hamas are both murderous genocidal thugs with genocidal ambitions.

The so called 'Two state solution' is a dead letter, it has not got the slightest chance of succeeding. However, the Arab states have no obligation to take on millions more Palestinians, whose ancestors have lived in most of the area defined as Israel for thousands of years. The Jordanians for example have already got about 2.5 million and no resources to cope with them.

I have absolutely no idea what the eventual outcome will be, save for the sense that American voter support for funding Israel will eventually decline, especially in the event of a significant economic recession in the USA.

The snide comment of your last sentence is unworthy of you.

When a “both sides” argument is deployed it’s always to provide cover for the villains. When one side is indefensible, claiming the other side is equally bad provides cover.

Claims that Israel is committing genocide have always been propaganda to cover for the genocidal goals of the Palestinian movement.