Feedback on new policy announcement.

[SimonDoom]

This is just my personal theory, but I have seen policy-changes like this occur on multiple sites over the last three months. The purpose is not to ban nudity, but to simply reduce pressure points.
They don't have a problem with depictions of nudity on their site... they just don't want to be held responsible for HOSTING and DISTRIBUTING these depictions of nudity.

I can see how that concern might apply to photographs, but not to illustrations.

 

[RosewoodTulip]

I read the post from Manu yesterday and I've also read a fair few of other posts on different threads asking questions and giving feedback. I appreciate this is brand new for everyone to process and, as of now, no further information has been given.

I can absolutely see the argument for keeping the story board image free for those who like to read on their commute or in other public places. I've seen some threads trying to do the same with mixed results.
But we as adults need to be responsible for ourselves. It's a choice to open Lit or read erotica in a public place. There will always be a risk of someone reading over your shoulder. Therefore I wonder if it's possible to implement a NSFW filter - like Reddit has - that would blur images until clicked on.

I've seen some of the mods repeatedly try to implement forum guidelines on linked pics, images of other people and all manner of things and, with the greatest of respect to you all (because I certainly wouldn't want to do it), I've seen those guidelines ignored by a great amount of people. Mostly those in the GB etc who spam threads with hundreds of images.

However there are so many threads where people do respect the rules where explicit content is linked and not embedded.
So making this seem like there can only be the solution of "no nudity at all" seems fairly excessive when I'm sure there are other options to be tried first.

Is there a reason why forum mods don't have the same ban powers as chat mods? Three strikes and you're out to remove the worst offenders? Or a way to stop the alts?

I'm aware that Manu and Laurel's main focus is the story board but the community here should not be so easily dismissed. There are real visual creators here and it would be very unfair for them to be lumped in with spam posters. If there is a total ban then I really feel like a great online space would really suffer.

You can't introduce censorship in the name of free speech.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I can see how that concern might apply to photographs, but not to illustrations.

Quick example:
The problem with illustrations is that it becomes a lot easier for people with malicious intent to claim they depict minors, because barely anyone takes the time to include things like wrinkles. I mean, seriously, most illustrations of "Grannies" I've seen are 20-something bombshells... with white hair.
Another example is that illustrations are often used to depict stuff that you'd have a hard time recreating with real people. Stuff that is either extreme (like the classic 300-year-old vampire loli), or simply wouldn't pass the miller test.

Not saying this is a general problem for ALL illustrations, but it is ONE of the problems. And, as I initially said, I suspect this policy change to be a measure of self-protection against people who like to twist facts.

 

[SimonDoom]

Quick example:
The problem with illustrations is that it becomes a lot easier for people with malicious intent to claim they depict minors, because barely anyone takes the time to include things like wrinkles. I mean, seriously, most illustrations of "Grannies" I've seen are 20-something bombshells... with white hair.

I still don't see the problem. At Lit, you can't claim they are under 18. I suppose they could have a rule against presenting images that are clearly intended to be underage.

Maybe it's a headache to administer, but this seems like an unnecessary rule addressing a nonproblem that is depriving the site of a source of value.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I still don't see the problem. At Lit, you can't claim they are under 18. I suppose they could have a rule against presenting images that are clearly intended to be underage.

Maybe it's a headache to administer, but this seems like an unnecessary rule addressing a nonproblem that is depriving the site of a source of value.

No, what I mean is this: It's not about what the posters/creators CLAIM the illustration depicts... it's about what OTHERS claim it depicts see in it, and then holding Lit responsible for giving it a platform.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

For those doubting that members have expressed concern regarding images, aside from reporting spam and scam posts, nearly all of the reports I process in three forums are people reporting images. I can’t imagine how many images in the GB are reported daily.

Sorry, but I don't understand how that is relevant, then.

Manu made it sound like people gave overwhelming, positive feedback about not wanting nudity depicted anywhere on the site. And when users doubt that, you say, "Well, we get images reported all the time". Of course you get images reported... but are they being reported because people don't like nudity and therefore report ALL nudes, or do people report SPECIFIC pictures that somehow upset them?

 

[Escierto]

FWIW, I think it's a great idea. There are plenty of sites for people to look at nudes but on Lit you never know if these pics are being posted with permission etc. it's a whole quagmire that it is best to avoid.

 

[Saltfountain]

FWIW, I think it's a great idea. There are plenty of sites for people to look at nudes but on Lit you never know if these pics are being posted with permission etc. it's a whole quagmire that it is best to avoid.

Bet you read Playboy for the articles too...

 

[SimonDoom]

No, what I mean is this: It's not about what the posters/creators CLAIM the illustration depicts... it's about what OTHERS claim it depicts see in it, and then holding Lit responsible for giving it a platform.

That's what I mean, though. That's a phantom problem, isn't it? Is that something that's really happened. I don't think in the US Lit is in any serious legal jeopardy for this.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

That's what I mean, though. That's a phantom problem, isn't it? Is that something that's really happened. I don't think in the US Lit is in any serious legal jeopardy for this.

It's not a phantom problem, and it's also not about "legal" problems.

For example, there was another site that had to implement new policies this month because people took offense at their content. And, as you can see in that thread, I posted back then that I wouldn't be surprised if Lit is next.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's not a phantom problem, and it's also not about "legal" problems.

For example, there was another site that had to implement new policies this month because people took offense at their content.

We will have to agree to disagree about what a "real" problem is. The fact that some people complain about content on an erotic content website does not strike me as a problem. Nobody has to look at the content they don't like. And I question how extensive the complaints are. I suspect this is a case of a few squeaky wheels getting all the grease, and the rest of us don't kick up a fuss get short-changed.

I have a very difficult time believing that the site will reap a net benefit of any meaningful kind by getting rid of all the illustrations in the Illustrated stories, such as those authored by Silkstockingslover and HeyAll and others. These stories are extremely popular, and it's obvious that there's a big readership for the illustrations.

 

[AG31]

Manu!!!! If I could grab hold and kiss you I would!!!! (Pass one on to KittyMama for me though, OK?)





https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-publishing-queue-nudity-policy-more.1632509/

Thanks for the heads up. I have begun taking screen shots of some, to me, appealing avatars that will disappear.

I totally understand the desire not to have nudity showing on your phone screen when you're just trying to step through threads in forums. But I think restricting threads that are clearly labeled in visually oriented forums is going a little far. I don't want to visit sites dedicated to nudity. But I do enjoy some of Lit's more imaginative submissions.

 

[AG31]

My only request here is to relax this for the hard working and talented Visual Artists.

I concur!

 

[Saltfountain]

Thanks for the heads up. I have begun taking screen shots of some, to me, appealing avatars that will disappear.

Say the fuck what?

That's no different to downloading people's pictures, fucking creep

 

[AG31]

@jehoram, I'll miss this particular avatar:

 

[AG31]

Say the fuck what?

That's no different to downloading people's pictures, fucking creep

Are we not supposed to download people's pictures???? Then why do they post them?

 

[Saltfountain]

@jehoram, I'll miss this particular avatar:

Seriously? You're posting other people's nude pics so they no longer have control over them?

 

[LexxRuthless]

Are we not supposed to download people's pictures???? Then why do they post them?

Not without their permission. Very bad form.

 

[Saltfountain]

Are we not supposed to download people's pictures???? Then why do they post them?

People post their pics for a load of reasons.

One is they get a kick out of being looked at.

We all know the risks of posting online, but it's that battle between the turn on we get being looked at, and the risk of someone stealing our pics and posting them elsewhere.

 

[MissRadiant]

Not without their permission. Very bad form.

I came here to check....doesn't matter and now have a case of deja vu of that discussion.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

Are we not supposed to download people's pictures???? Then why do they post them?

Ummm... to look at while the photos are on the site. I'm not naive. I know that shitty people download them. But that's not the reason I post them.

 

[desperado1089]

There are 2 things I can say with almost 100% confidence here:

AG31 is either ignorant to the point of being legitimately stupid, or he's a creep with no self-awareness and no self-control at all whatsoever and should not be allowed out of his mother's basement, ever.

This whole thing is extremely, EXTREMELY suspicious.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

Here are the basic Forum Photo Guidelines:

• Legally, we can allow soft nudity, but under current United States law, photographs (does not apply to non-photographic images) posted on this site may not contain “sexually explicit conduct”, which the government defines as:

https://www.literotica.com/faq/forum/forum-thread-picture-rules


If we're reading this correctly, pending further clarification, it seems Lit is tired of trying to decide what is, or isn't and may be taking the step to exclude it all, including boobs and butts.

Hopefully Manu and/or Laurel will chime in.

I am well aware of the forum photo guidelines. I just find it rich that in your very first post, you are praising and thanking the site owners for their decision and, in the second post, hoping for an exemption for the visual art forms that you personally prefer. Despite your insistence, in several responses here, that Literotica is about Literary Erotica. Except when it's images you like.

 

[LexxRuthless]

There are 2 things I can say with almost 100% confidence here:

AG31 is either ignorant to the point of being legitimately stupid, or he's a creep with no self-awareness and no self-control at all whatsoever and should not be allowed out of his mother's basement, ever.

This whole thing is extremely, EXTREMELY suspicious.

I don't think so. I believe he's an author who rarely strays outside the Author's Hangout. Until the XenForo rollout, I was in a similar state of ignorance about the other forums. I didn't know there even was such a thing as AmPics or the Playground until I met people from those forums in this one, when the site crashed.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

I don't think so. I believe he's an author who rarely strays outside the Author's Hangout. Until the XenForo rollout, I was in a similar state of ignorance about the other forums. I didn't know there even was such a thing as AmPics or the Playground until I met people from those forums in this one, when the site crashed.

But, when you did find AmPics, your first instinct wasn't to download/screenshot people's photos. I believe that's why @desperado1089 is saying that she's either stupid or a creep, because she's screenshotting people's pics to save.