Feedback on new policy announcement.

[AngelicaS1780]

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[Thesunmaid]

Well...umm https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-publishing-queue-nudity-policy-more.1632509/

this is not them asking for permission guys...they are telling you about a change they are putting in place.

 

[AngelicaS1780]

Never mind.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

It just seems kind of strange to have to do this. From what folks are saying this is coming from not wanting photos to just show up when you don’t expect it. I can totally get this but if you go to am pics, aren’t you looking for pics? Shouldn’t you be expecting an image? If it is about site hosting and how much space it takes or having to review and monitor all the problematic images I can understand it a bit more. But saying it’s cause folks don’t want images to pop up. It seems not going to an am pics thread would stop that.
Maybe I’m missing something.

From a site admin and moderation standpoint, having one set of rules for images is a lot easier to understand than different rules for each forum. Requiring all images that depict nudity to be linked so that a person must choose to click/tap is straightforward and consistent.

 

[Photog1rl]

From a site admin and moderation standpoint, having one set of rules for images is a lot easier to understand than different rules for each forum. Requiring all images that depict nudity to be linked so that a person must choose to click/tap is straightforward and consistent.

I can understand that. Y’all have a lot to try and monitor. I guess part of me was just hoping that the little corner I hang around in wouldn’t change that much. But linking is not an issue if that is what the site moves to.
Would moderators monitor content in the links if someone reported it? I don’t know if this happens now or not but am curious what the guidelines will be for linked photos. I’m hoping that they can be streamlined to not cause too much work for mods but also to still have the limitations on certain content.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I can understand that. Y’all have a lot to try and monitor. I guess part of me was just hoping that the little corner I hang around in wouldn’t change that much. But linking is not an issue if that is what the site moves to.
Would moderators monitor content in the links if someone reported it? I don’t know if this happens now or not but am curious what the guidelines will be for linked photos. I’m hoping that they can be streamlined to not cause too much work for mods but also to still have the limitations on certain content.

We do remove links when they violate the rules, so that wouldn’t change.

 

[Mei5ter]

If this is true, then this policy change is nuts. It is taking away significant value from this site, for the sake of . . . what? Manu referred to feedback. It's sure not based on my feedback. I like the way the site is with images. Perhaps it could tighten up rules relating to photographs of real people in forums, to limit the revenge porn risk, but why go after nudity generally, including illustrations? I'd like to see the site offer a plausible, evidence-based justification for this change. I haven't seen one yet.

My thoughts exactly.

Lit is proposing to ban nudity, but keep the toxic swamp of hate speech which is the politics board. To me, that seems a curious decision for a sex site.

A decade ago, a well-known ampics site already had a NSFW option, where it loaded a text-only version of all pages with a suitably subdued colour scheme. If people want to read porn on Lit in public, and really feel it's Lit's responsibility to protect them from embarrassment if a naughty pic pops up on their phone, may I suggest that as an alternative?

I can see that ampics is a minefield for sites like Lit. Some other sites now require people to verify their identity before they're allowed to post, because webcrap and stolen/revenge pics are such a problem. And I can see there are lots of issues with the other pics and gifs people post in the PG, and whether they're compliant with obscenity and copyright laws.

But if that's the reason for the nudity ban, why not just say so? I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with measures which protect Lit and its users against catfishing and revenge porn. But I simply cannot understand how anyone can sensibly argue that removing all nudity from a sex site makes that sex site better.

 

[DoctorWatson1975]

Excellent. I applaud this. I would further like to expand this policy to any and all nsfw words too, because someone looking over my shoulder might read what I'm reading. I suggest completely removing all nsfw words from the entire site. Any and all references to sex, or body parts, endangers my safe public consumption of erotica. Actually I think the site should just change to 'Lit'. And all members should just post nursery rhymes and fables about talking animals, because safety.

 

[Saltfountain]

My only request here is to relax this for the hard working and talented Visual Artists.

I'm sorry, but this is rank hypocrisy!

I get that you like the VA forum, as it's moderator, but what gives you the right to say that art is more worthwhile if it's been hand drawn rather than in photographic form?

And given that the drawn stuff tends to be more explicit than the photographs anyway, how will that help the stated aim of not being embarrassing to open on public?

I get that you hold anyone who posts in Ampics in contempt as you've alluded strongly to before, but either the policy is being done for the reasons they state, or if it is being done for other reasons then they need to be honest. I'm aware that it's a privately owned site and they can make the rules as they see fit, and that is their right. If they are looking to remove all pictures, so be it.

But asking for an exemption for your pet corner of the site whilst slating everyone else is a dick move

 

[Peter_Out]

From a site admin and moderation standpoint, having one set of rules for images is a lot easier to understand than different rules for each forum. Requiring all images that depict nudity to be linked so that a person must choose to click/tap is straightforward and consistent.

There is a problem with links though, which is that (generally speaking) the person posting a link to their photo today might find that tomorrow it links to something entirely different, because most people don't host their images themselves, they rely on some third-party to do it, and they can change their policies at any point.

You might post a link to a photo of your boobs to find the image later replaced by blue footed boobies. Or something far, far worse.

 

[Saltfountain]

From a site admin and moderation standpoint, having one set of rules for images is a lot easier to understand than different rules for each forum. Requiring all images that depict nudity to be linked so that a person must choose to click/tap is straightforward and consistent.

It would also make it harder to police people posting dodgy shit as a lot less people will click through to most links, so less chance of banned content being reported.

I know there are several people whose posts I've reported as I've scrolled past them, but I'd never in a million years actively click on their posts

 

[Saltfountain]

Well...umm https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-publishing-queue-nudity-policy-more.1632509/

this is not them asking for permission guys...they are telling you about a change they are putting in place.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt of that, but seeing as they have chosen to release the headlines and not even tell you the detail, what did they, or do you expect?

People are looking for information (and I'm aware you are too) so they can decide if this is a site that's worth continuing being part of, or if the changes will reduce enjoyment but in a bearable way.

They have built up not only a community of authors and readers in the last 25 years, but also other creatives who work in different forms, as well as a community who are consumers of one or the other or both.

As someone who is not here for the stories, I understand my presence may no longer be wanted or acceptable, and that as site owners is their right.

But to actively build a community, putting in tools to expand the community from merely the written word, and the to say to the visual community that they're no longer welcome is a big change. Why put the tools and forums in place at all?

 

[EvaLane]

This just popped out at me, I don’t really have a strong opinion here and am more interested in seeing what happens, but isn’t it a bit… funny… to on one hand speak about how this site should remain true to the written word but

One of our newest features, mentioned above, is the Member Profile Custom Header Image.



I want it!! Please! I want the banner.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

This just popped out at me, I don’t really have a strong opinion here and am more interested in seeing what happens, but isn’t it a bit… funny… to on one hand speak about how this site should remain true to the written word but

One of our newest features, mentioned above, is the Member Profile Custom Header Image.



I want it!! Please! I want the banner.

Images will be allowed, though. Just not nudity.

 

[ElectricBlue]

This is all a bit like the daft move by Tumblr to remove "all forward facing nipples" from their allowed content several years ago. Five years later my Tumblr feed is almost exactly what it looked like before that stupidity, with the exception that most of the decent self-photographers are gone.

This is inane, frankly. If people are worried about other people peering over their shoulder at all this disgusting smut they're reading, and worried about tits showing up, why the fuck are they reading in public?

 

[LupineOne]

It just seems kind of strange to have to do this. From what folks are saying this is coming from not wanting photos to just show up when you don’t expect it. I can totally get this but if you go to am pics, aren’t you looking for pics? Shouldn’t you be expecting an image? If it is about site hosting and how much space it takes or having to review and monitor all the problematic images I can understand it a bit more. But saying it’s cause folks don’t want images to pop up. It seems not going to an am pics thread would stop that.
Maybe I’m missing something.

@Photog1rl If there's anything you're missing, it's the same thing we're all missing, and that's the REAL reason behind this policy change.

Agreed. First of all, it’s a site called Literotica. Right from the get-go people know where they are.
So, the powers-that-be have decided instead of letting people express themselves visually, it’s a punishable offense.
If this change is to pander to those people who are too unintelligent or impatient and complain about people reading or seeing over their shoulders because they are scrolling where anyone could walk up and see, that’s bullshit.
If people are complaining about scrolling through and seeing unwanted “nudity” or, separately, content that’s inappropriate for a particular thread, that’s what the “Ignore” button is for.
Or just have a bit of emotional control and keep scrolling.

 

[jaF0]

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[jaF0]

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[Saltfountain]

There has always been a distinction between photographic and non-photographic works here.

Why? It's a site for the written word

 

[LupineOne]

Literary Erotica ... text, words, stories.

Then ban all photography completely.
My guess is that’s what they’re going for.
Instead of being inclusive and welcoming, they’re taking away forms of expression people have been using.
Wonderful.

 

[TageRyche]

Is it me or does this pretty much seem like there will soon be no point to coming to the site?

 

[Saltfountain]

Is it me or does this pretty much seem like there will soon be no point to coming to the site?

There will be every point if you're here for the stories, or the non nude pics

 

[ElectricBlue]

Why? It's a site for the written word

Literotica has always had a visual component, especially Forum side. Story side, there's a category for Illustrated Stories. It's never been exclusively written content.

 

[Saltfountain]

Literotica has always had a visual component, especially Forum side. Story side, there's a category for Illustrated Stories. It's never been exclusively written content.

You're arguing with the wrong person...

I was using JaF0's argument that he used earlier when he was arguing against pic threads, but defending visual arts forum.

And I would hesitate to say there has always been a visual element. You've been here 11 years but the site has been going for 25

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

[...] but why go after nudity generally, including illustrations? I'd like to see the site offer a plausible, evidence-based justification for this change. I haven't seen one yet.

This is just my personal theory, but I have seen policy-changes like this occur on multiple sites over the last three months. The purpose is not to ban nudity, but to simply reduce pressure points.
They don't have a problem with depictions of nudity on their site... they just don't want to be held responsible for HOSTING and DISTRIBUTING these depictions of nudity.