The 2A was NOT intended as a bulwark against "tyranny"

[Politruk]

The 2A was intended to facilitate a militia-based defense system. The FFs were leery of a large standing army for fear such could be used as an instrument of domestic rule, as armies typically were in Europe. The idea was the U.S. would have a small peacetime army, and in wartime the militia would be called up, and every man would bring his own musket from home. Highly anachronistic thinking now, but it seemed to make sense in the 18th Century, when no army had anything better than single-shot muzzle-loading muskets like civilians had.

But the militia was intended as an arm of the state, not as a countervailing force against it. The original text of the Constitution authorizes the president to command the militia, and the 2A does nothing to change that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It also was to keep slavery. The South was pretty aware of how numbers worked and if the abolitionists had the numbers they could outlaw slavery without outlawing slavery.

 

[Politruk]

It also was to keep slavery. The South was pretty aware of how numbers worked and if the abolitionists had the numbers they could outlaw slavery without outlawing slavery.

It is true, certainly, that the Southern states thought of militia mainly as a defense against slave rebellions.

 

[rgraham666]

The 2A was intended to facilitate a militia-based defense system. The FFs were leery of a large standing army for fear such could be used as an instrument of domestic rule, as armies typically were in Europe. The idea was the U.S. would have a small peacetime army, and in wartime the militia would be called up, and every man would bring his own musket from home. Highly anachronistic thinking now, but it seemed to make sense in the 18th Century, when no army had anything better than single-shot muzzle-loading muskets like civilians had.

But the militia was intended as an arm of the state, not as a countervailing force against it. The original text of the Constitution authorizes the president to command the militia, and the 2A does nothing to change that.

The firearms enthusiasts are not opposed to tyranny. They are opposed to tyranny that they aren't in charge of.

As recent events, and many threads on this board, demonstrate.

 

[Politruk]

It's also pointless. Privately owned firearms are politically useless. You will never use a rifle to fight government forces, including small-town police forces, with any chance at all of victory.

 

[rgraham666]

Yeah. I've always wondered what people think that an assault rifle will help them fight the government. After all the government has this.

And this.

And this.

All equipment designed to deal with opponents much better equipped than your average NRA member.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah. I've always wondered what people think that an assault rifle will help them fight the government. After all the government has this.

And this.

And this.

All equipment designed to deal with opponents much better equipped than your average NRA member.

Historically the gap between what Billy was using to hunt deer and fight of Indians wasn't as huge as it is now and many of huge differences were less viable. Sure most people didn't have cannons and certainly didn't have warships but you know how you avoid a warship? Be a decent distance from any body of water.

Today its even more lopsided that people like to claim. Tanks running down the streets to take us out? Will someone please roll footage of the last hurricane, flood, tornado, major fire or snowstorm? Remember the toilet paper wars of 2020? An elderly lady attacked me with her walker over three pack of Bounty!

How long do you think its going to take Karen to turn you in when the military just sets up barricades around the power stations and water. They don't even need to hit the grocery stores. Once the power goes out a lot of that food is gonna go pretty quick. IF water stops coming through pipes its really just a waiting game.

 

[Politruk]

Hussein's Iraq was a heavily armed society. That never threatened his tyranny. (It did threaten the American occupiers -- a matter of chaotic conditions -- but that is not why they left.)

 

[Buffalogurl]

Historically the gap between what Billy was using to hunt deer and fight of Indians wasn't as huge as it is now and many of huge differences were less viable. Sure most people didn't have cannons and certainly didn't have warships but you know how you avoid a warship? Be a decent distance from any body of water.

Today its even more lopsided that people like to claim. Tanks running down the streets to take us out? Will someone please roll footage of the last hurricane, flood, tornado, major fire or snowstorm? Remember the toilet paper wars of 2020? An elderly lady attacked me with her walker over three pack of Bounty!

How long do you think its going to take Karen to turn you in when the military just sets up barricades around the power stations and water. They don't even need to hit the grocery stores. Once the power goes out a lot of that food is gonna go pretty quick. IF water stops coming through pipes its really just a waiting game.

In a "grid down" event, full on "grid down" event the military will have it's hands full just maintaining the borders from outside invasion and internal violence.... no water for 3-4 days? You/them will be drinking muddy water from a ditch or pond, without skills you/them won't filter, boil or even treat the water.... you/them will shit yourselves dry and assume room temperature...the roving violent gangs will kill,rape and destroy those that can offer no resistance the gangs will fight amongst themselves as resources become scarce.....as the system continues to break down your gonna wish you posses an evil black rifle and a few force multipliers ......oh and all this would take is the damaging of 7 substations, oh, oh that can't be easily repaired...want to know why? Cause o'l two scoops sent all of the power transformers we had in reserve to Ukraine and the Russians promptly destroyed them with iskander missiles (fuck the Biden crime family)..

 

[Buffalogurl]

It also was to keep slavery. The South was pretty aware of how numbers worked and if the abolitionists had the numbers they could outlaw slavery without outlawing slavery.

No.... remember it was the democrats whom wanted to retain slavery.... and the kkk was a product of the democrats and Alfred pike was a 33 degree mason whom was the grand dragon...... your kind just as well "hooked" your wagon to Hitler same thought process /equal payout.....go figure?

 

[Sean Renaud]

In a "grid down" event, full on "grid down" event the military will have it's hands full just maintaining the borders from outside invasion and internal violence.... no water for 3-4 days? You/them will be drinking muddy water from a ditch or pond, without skills you/them won't filter, boil or even treat the water.... you/them will shit yourselves dry and assume room temperature...the roving violent gangs will kill,rape and destroy those that can offer no resistance the gangs will fight amongst themselves as resources become scarce.....as the system continues to break down your gonna wish you posses an evil black rifle and a few force multipliers ......oh and all this would take is the damaging of 7 substations, oh, oh that can't be easily repaired...want to know why? Cause o'l two scoops sent all of the power transformers we had in reserve to Ukraine and the Russians promptly destroyed them with iskander missiles (fuck the Biden crime family)..

There is no reason they would have any fear of an outside invasion. Internal violence would affect you instantly. They will control the water, not destroy it. They will be just fine. Everything else you are listing are the reasons why you're getting turned in within a week and that's being polite.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

The 2A was intended to facilitate a militia-based defense system. The FFs were leery of a large standing army for fear such could be used as an instrument of domestic rule, as armies typically were in Europe. The idea was the U.S. would have a small peacetime army, and in wartime the militia would be called up, and every man would bring his own musket from home. Highly anachronistic thinking now, but it seemed to make sense in the 18th Century, when no army had anything better than single-shot muzzle-loading muskets like civilians had.

But the militia was intended as an arm of the state, not as a countervailing force against it. The original text of the Constitution authorizes the president to command the militia, and the 2A does nothing to change that.

The 2A is still a Constitutional Right and your opinion does nothing to change that.

 

[Politruk]

o'l two scoops

That's Trump, not Biden.

 

[Politruk]

the Biden crime family

You are an idiot.

 

[Politruk]

Alfred pike was a 33 degree mason whom was the grand dragon

How is that relevant?! Nobody is afraid of the Freemasons any more!

 

[Politruk]

The 2A is still a Constitutional Right and your opinion does nothing to change that.

That is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

That is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

This discussion appears to be about the opinions of a group of people and you specifically mentioned the 2A.

 

[Politruk]

This discussion appears to be about the opinions of a group of people and you specifically mentioned the 2A.

The discussion is about the purpose of the 2A, which a lot of RWs are systematically and dishonestly misrepresenting as insurrectionary.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

The discussion is about the purpose of the 2A, which a lot of RWs are systematically and dishonestly misrepresenting as insurrectionary.

That's the group of people that I suspected was the root reason for this thread.

They have their opinions and you have yours.

I 100% agree with you on this. The militia was intended as an arm of the state, not as a countervailing force against it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

oh and all this would take is the damaging of 7 substations, oh, oh that can't be easily repaired...want to know why? Cause o'l two scoops sent all of the power transformers we had in reserve to Ukraine and the Russians promptly destroyed them with iskander missiles

You really should shut the fuck up about things you know nothing. The US government doesn't have substations in reserve. What the fuck is a substation? Well I can tell you no two are exactly alike.

The "substation" equipment depends on it's use. Is for switching, vars support, voltage support, phase shifting, distribution....the list is long and way over your dumb fucking head. There are thousands and thousands of components in the US, Canada, hell even Mexico. I'll agree some very specialised equipment isn't an over night/off the self item. When you're talking Millions for each one, but there are more than enough in stock a couple weeks to a month out delivery. Even then you can rewire the station using old technology equipment. Sure you may have to have rolling black outs, but it's not 24/7 zero electricity.....


Most of the electrical equipment sent was switch gear, breakers,lots and lots of cap n pin insulators, and step up step down transformers, and that shit is a dime a dozen....

You're getting as bad as HisArpy pontificating on subjects you have zero understanding of.

 

[Politruk]

The discussion is about the purpose of the 2A, which a lot of RWs are systematically and dishonestly misrepresenting as insurrectionary.

Which is curiously bound up with White Nationalism. It was not New Deal legislation but civil rights legislation that started so many white rural Americans thinking the federal government was growing tyrannical, and that they need to be armed to resist it. See certain public statements of the infamous Cliven Bundy.

In The Turner Diaries, what finally provokes the WNs to active revolt is federal gun-control legislation called the Cohen Act, which allows no private ownership of firearms at all. (How this is squared with the 2A is never explained.)

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Which is curiously bound up with White Nationalism. It was not New Deal legislation but civil rights legislation that started so many white rural Americans thinking the federal government was growing tyrannical, and that they need to be armed to resist it. See certain public statements of the infamous Cliven Bundy.

In The Turner Diaries, what finally provokes the WNs to active revolt is federal gun-control legislation called the Cohen Act, which allows no private ownership of firearms at all. (How this is squared with the 2A is never explained.)

My bad. So this isn't just a 2A issue. It's a 1A issue as well.

I don't like your opinion, more often than not. I still 100% support your Right to say it.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

You also made this about race.

 

[Buffalogurl]

You really should shut the fuck up about things you know nothing. The US government doesn't have substations in reserve. What the fuck is a substation? Well I can tell you no two are exactly alike.

The "substation" equipment depends on it's use. Is for switching, vars support, voltage support, phase shifting, distribution....the list is long and way over your dumb fucking head. There are thousands and thousands of components in the US, Canada, hell even Mexico. I'll agree some very specialised equipment isn't an over night/off the self item. When you're talking Millions for each one, but there are more than enough in stock a couple weeks to a month out delivery. Even then you can rewire the station using old technology equipment. Sure you may have to have rolling black outs, but it's not 24/7 zero electricity.....


Most of the electrical equipment sent was switch gear, breakers,lots and lots of cap n pin insulators, and step up step down transformers, and that shit is a dime a dozen....

You're getting as bad as HisArpy pontificating on subjects you have zero understanding of.

Fuzzy, you're assuming multiple things.... one I wrote "full on grid down" situation.... within 3 day this country will tear itself apart.... especially without water, as previously demonstrated in the past with the riots. You assume there is transportation/trucking for said parts, that need to be moved by people whom you assuming will be "on the job" to facilitate the handling of this equipment also after the flooding in Appalachia it was discovered that the equipment destroyed couldn't be replaced because Biden had sent this equipment to Ukraine which Russian destroyed...
Now tell me, where are they/them him/her going to find the very large, in most cases custom built power handling transformers that "were" destroyed/damaged in a act of terrorism? Here's a fact any time one of these transformers needs replaced the lead time not including shipping is a year to 18 months out......oh, and the transformers aren't built in the lower 48..... (go figure?) As a side note I may have miss labeled sub stations, better description is transformers yard or location of transformers......either way you are assuming that all, or most of the systems in place that would facilitate the repairs would be operating, not including if the terrorism continues to damage critical infrastructure.....
On more side note, what happens when the EBT card holders are unable to access the accounts because the electrical grid is "down".....instant looting and mayhem... time and time again. Anyway enjoy your day....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Fuzzy, you're assuming multiple things...

Buffy, there is NO assuming here on my behalf. I spent years designing these "stations". Just shut the fuck up on a subject you know nothing on, except what you read in some rightwing article trying to blame Biden for.....