Deporting US citizens?

[HisArpy]

I write this post with the following thoughts:

The first rule of gun safety is to always consider that a gun is loaded. Because it's the empty gun that kills you.

Don't worry, they can't possibly hit us at this ra....

Here, hold my beer.

And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

 

[RobDownSouth]

I write this post with the following thoughts:


And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

I write this reply with the following thought...

HisArpy, purportedly a lawyer, admits that military law is highly specialized yet he is qualified to render expert commentary on it, as he has seen every single rerun of M*A*S*H....

 

[Lazaran]

I write this post with the following thoughts:

The first rule of gun safety is to always consider that a gun is loaded. Because it's the empty gun that kills you.

Don't worry, they can't possibly hit us at this ra....

Here, hold my beer.

And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

Terminal delirium.



Poor Derpy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes, you OBVIOUSLY post images of you bridging electrical terminals as part of your "expertise" in electrical contracting and engineering.

I'd say Alex is far more an expert than you are in the field of electricity.

Meanwhile someone somewhere is looking at those images and either wondering what the fuck you think you're doing and hoping like hell he never ever meets you; or,

lol, as someone in the field for a "few" years, I'm only laughing at loons like you who don't understand.

is thinking he can just follow along with the things you're doing and go out and arc across the bus bars in his electrical panel or across the terminals of the 24v batteries in his diesel truck. Because YOU SAID IT'S SAFE TO DO IT.

Now it's 24 V DC. First it was 12 V, then 6V...keep going up, sooner or later you will actually find the DC voltage that can kill. Then you'll be right!!

 

[HisArpy]

I write this reply with the following thought...

HisArpy, purportedly a lawyer, admits that military law is highly specialized yet he is qualified to render expert commentary on it, as he has seen every single rerun of M*A*S*H....

Lol, rubbery needs attention again.

Sucks to be him.

 

[Mystories189]

Everyone deserves due process. It's promised by the forefathers as a human right. Same with not get unusual punishments. This president has no respect for the country or what it stands for

 

[jomar]

Untrue. Garcia was given TWO immigration hearings and was deemed deportable based on his MS13 membership. His deportation order was stayed by a THIRD judge who believed his sob story about rival gangs killing him if he was deported.

So he GOT his due process. He HAD his chance to contest the deportation and didn't make the grade so the judge(S) ruled against him.

Basically, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and are simply spewing the narrative as if it's true. It's NOT.

You would be correct if it were true. But, as always, facts are against you. The immigration hearings did not conclude he was a train gang member, and there is no evidence of any court concluding he was or ruling in trump admin favor. All this talk about Dems wanting criminals roaming free in our borders is bullshit gaslighting to distract from the real issue: that they fucked up and don’t want to fix it because on one level it’s another test case on pushing the boundaries of executive power by defying SCOTUS and ignoring the constitution. trump will create a true constitutional crisis any moment.

In fact, an anonymous source claimed Garcia was a gang member (maybe the dude hated Garcia) and the officer who put the accusation in his report was later fired for misconduct in office, basically, corruption. So extremely thin “evidence” and a questionable officer involved.

Moreover, Garcia had a judges order saying he couldn’t be deported until certain things happened, like a return to court and due process. So he did NOT get the due process he deserved. And he wasn’t the only one rounded up via very, very dubious evidence. One was a pro soccer layer who had a tattoo of Real Madrid logo, but hey, it had a crown or cross or something so he must be a gang member

He HAD his trial. TWICE. The other illegal migrants who have been arrested also get their shot at contesting the deportation orders at an immigration hearing.

See above

And SCOTUS just halted ALL Venezuelan deportations until "further order of this court."

Good! Give them due process and ship them out if they are gang members.

So, again, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.

Oh, Derpy

 

[HisArpy]

I'd say Alex is far more an expert than you are in the field of electricity.

I'm not an "expert" in electricity. I am an EXPERT at suing people who do dumb shit that gets others hurt or killed.

Guess where Alex the internet dipshit fits into that equation.

lol, as someone in the field for a "few" years, I'm only laughing at loons like you who don't understand.

Laugh away bub. Just don't forget about the fact that SAFETY ALWAYS COMES FIRST.

Now it's 24 V DC. First it was 12 V, then 6V...keep going up, sooner or later you will actually find the DC voltage that can kill. Then you'll be right!!

It's electricity stupid. Even 12v can kill you if you don't know what the fuck you're doing. And those who don't, maybe can't tell if it's a 12v or 24v circuit because the batteries all say 12v.

Meanwhile, your guy Alex says he knows what he's doing and he posts pics to prove it. After all, he's an "expert" who will use his body to bridge contact points in electrical fields despite safety warnings to NEVER EVER do that regardless of the voltage.

So yeah, you go ahead and support the guy who is posting pics of dangerous stuff because you need to rub out your internet hardon. It's so you to need to do that.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm not an "expert" in electricity. I am an EXPERT at suing people who do dumb shit that gets others hurt or killed.

Guess where Alex the internet dipshit fits into that equation.



Laugh away bub. Just don't forget about the fact that SAFETY ALWAYS COMES FIRST.



It's electricity stupid. Even 12v can kill you if you don't know what the fuck you're doing. And those who don't, maybe can't tell if it's a 12v or 24v circuit because the batteries all say 12v.

Meanwhile, your guy Alex says he knows what he's doing and he posts pics to prove it. After all, he's an "expert" who will use his body to bridge contact points in electrical fields despite safety warnings to NEVER EVER do that regardless of the voltage.

So yeah, you go ahead and support the guy who is posting pics of dangerous stuff because you need to rub out your internet hardon. It's so you to need to do that.

This time, Derpy chose a “12v” battery to die on…

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This time, Derpy chose a “12v” battery to die on…

Yep....lol

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's electricity stupid. Even 12v can kill you if you don't know what the fuck you're doing. And those who don't, maybe can't tell if it's a 12v or 24v circuit because the batteries all say 12v.

There is a whole internet out there, and Libraries too. 12 volt car batteries have been around 70+ years. Find one death from electrocution, just one.....

 

[HisArpy]

Everyone deserves due process. It's promised by the forefathers as a human right. Same with not get unusual punishments. This president has no respect for the country or what it stands for

Garcia got his due process. Twice, in an immigration court. A court which found the evidence of him being a member of MS13 credible and ordered him deported.

He then got a THIRD bite at the apple and received a stay of the removal order from yet a THIRD court. That stay ONLY applied to him being removed to El Salvador, not other countries which would accept him.

Interesting thing I read today about that; Covid hit right about that time and every nations borders were closed. Since it would violate the law against prolonged detention while waiting for removal, Trump's 1st term Administration had no choice except to release Garcia. That sounds like obeying the law to me instead of disobeying it.

Garcia at that point had an obligation to remove himself on his own dime to any place which would accept him or be faced with being deported by the government to anywhere they could send him. He chose not to do that for 5 years, which is a dereliction of his obligation to avoid being deported to El Salvador.

The administration picked him up again and whisked him away to CECOT, admittedly in violation of the court's imposed stay against his deportation to El Salvador. The administration admitted it made a mistake when it did this.

That mistake cannot be remedied.

Garcia is in his home country, subject to that country's laws. The US cannot just "retrieve" him because that would be a violation of El Salvadoran sovereignty and an Act Of War. So the US must "ask" (ie facilitate) El Salvador to return him to the US. El Salvador has refused to extradite its citizen to the US for the purpose of allowing the US to punish Garcia by immediately removing him to a place other than his home country. Since no nation will accept him, the ONLY available option is to send Garcia to GITMO where he will be placed in solitary confinement for the rest of his life with no possibility of release.

Yet THAT is exactly what the D's want to happen. Which sounds a LOT like the D's prefer cruel and unusual punishments. Which would be par for the course considering what the D party has become.

And you seem to be in support of that too.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The administration picked him up again and whisked him away to CECOT, admittedly in violation of the court's imposed stay against his deportation to El Salvador. The administration admitted it made a mistake when it did this.

That mistake cannot be remedied.

Yep and heads should roll. Due process is about preventing this from happening.

 

[HisArpy]

Yep and heads should roll.

Who's head? Do you know who actually ordered the deportation? Do you know who his boss is? Do you understand what the word immunity means?

And even if any of that is possible, will that bring Garcia back to the US?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Who's head? Do you know who actually ordered the deportation? Do you know who his boss is? Do you understand what the word immunity means?

And even if any of that is possible, will that bring Garcia back to the US?

When mistakes happen, and the people making the mistake are only following orders, then it's the head of the department(s) who fall on the sword....

 

[HisArpy]

When mistakes happen, and the people making the mistake are only following orders, then it's the head of the department(s) who fall on the sword....

So Trump then.

Which means you actually don't know what the word immunity means.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So Trump then.

Which means you actually don't know what the word immunity means.

Hey I have no doubt Trump will do nothing, and his sycophants will also do nothing, which means "due process" is just two words, no meaning. Obviously there is no punishment for ignoring it.

If you think I'm wrong, write your best argument carbon water boy..*chuckles*

 

[jomar]

Garcia got his due process. Twice, in an immigration court. A court which found the evidence of him being a member of MS13 credible and ordered him deported.

He then got a THIRD bite at the apple and received a stay of the removal order from yet a THIRD court. That stay ONLY applied to him being removed to El Salvador, not other countries which would accept him.

Interesting thing I read today about that; Covid hit right about that time and every nations borders were closed. Since it would violate the law against prolonged detention while waiting for removal, Trump's 1st term Administration had no choice except to release Garcia. That sounds like obeying the law to me instead of disobeying it.

Garcia at that point had an obligation to remove himself on his own dime to any place which would accept him or be faced with being deported by the government to anywhere they could send him. He chose not to do that for 5 years, which is a dereliction of his obligation to avoid being deported to El Salvador.

The administration picked him up again and whisked him away to CECOT, admittedly in violation of the court's imposed stay against his deportation to El Salvador. The administration admitted it made a mistake when it did this.

That mistake cannot be remedied.

Garcia is in his home country, subject to that country's laws. The US cannot just "retrieve" him because that would be a violation of El Salvadoran sovereignty and an Act Of War. So the US must "ask" (ie facilitate) El Salvador to return him to the US. El Salvador has refused to extradite its citizen to the US for the purpose of allowing the US to punish Garcia by immediately removing him to a place other than his home country. Since no nation will accept him, the ONLY available option is to send Garcia to GITMO where he will be placed in solitary confinement for the rest of his life with no possibility of release.

Yet THAT is exactly what the D's want to happen. Which sounds a LOT like the D's prefer cruel and unusual punishments. Which would be par for the course considering what the D party has become.

And you seem to be in support of that too.

^^^ Drunk on MAGA gaslighting

 

[HisArpy]

Hey I have no doubt Trump will do nothing, and his sycophants will also do nothing, which means "due process" is just two words, no meaning. Obviously there is no punishment for ignoring it.

If you think I'm wrong, write your best argument carbon water boy..*chuckles*

Where does the buck stop? And does that person have immunity?

Which raises the question regarding Judge Boasberg's criminal contempt proceeding of whether the President can be held in criminal contempt given that he has immunity?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Where does the buck stop? And does that person have immunity?

There's no immunity from impeachment and removal from office.

 

[HisArpy]

There's no immunity from impeachment and removal from office.

So you want to impeach a President because of an administrative error?

Wow, someone's gone impeachment crazy. Impeachment is supposed to be the last resort, not the first nor based on ideological BS.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So you want to impeach a President because of an administrative error?

Wow, someone's gone impeachment crazy.

The error isn't why he'll be impeached. They'll get him for trying to cover it up.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Where does the buck stop?

Well, where do you think the buck stops? To me it stops at the head of ICE. If Trump told him to deport the guy, then he should have told Trump to fuck himself. Since he didn't then he is responsible.

And does that person have immunity?

No

Which raises the question regarding Judge Boasberg's criminal contempt proceeding of whether the President can be held in criminal contempt given that he has immunity?

Boasberg's not naming Trump. (see above) He is going after those who should have known better than to do what Trump asked. The whole reason for separation of authority is so no one person can be in absolute control. And those fuckers should get jail time to send the message to the rest of Trump's sycophants.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The error isn't why he'll be impeached. They'll get him for trying to cover it up.

This reminds me of a certian blowjob situation and a stained dress.

 

[HisArpy]

The error isn't why he'll be impeached. They'll get him for trying to cover it up.

Cover up what? The administration ADMITTED that it happened. In a courtroom and on the record.

Jeebus you live in a fantasy world.