Vance says administration may ignore court ruling

[Politruk]

A vast majority of people throwing the words facism, or facist, around can't define them and are only saying because their sides propaganda says to.

One generalization we can safely make is that fascism based on extreme nationalism -- there is no internationalist form of it.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘Trump is already losing popularity…’

Trump’s declining popularity and a desire to fight fascism won’t determine this outcome.

‘Whether a fascist US’ will be determined by the success or failure of the struggle to overthrow fascism.

At issue is, ‘who organizes the fight against fascism, on the basis of what perspective is that fight to be waged, and what class will fight it.’

In any context, fascism’s rise displays a system in crisis. That fascism at all rose shows the Democratic Party’s inability and resolute refusal to defend democracy or to conduct any effective drive struggle against it.

For that reason, the fight against fascism must not be trusted to the Democratic Party as it will ensure the defeat of democracy.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘Letting a dictator run a country is …’

… apparently fine by Democrats and their glorious Democratic Party.

 

[Politruk]

For that reason, the fight against fascism must not be trusted to the Democratic Party as it will ensure the defeat of democracy.

There isn't any other party or political organization that can do it.

And there isn't likely to be. Here is a fairly comprehensive list of American third parties. Do you really think any of them will matter in your lifetime?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

… apparently fine by Democrats and their glorious Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party doesn't support having a dictator. I'm surprised to hear that the socialists do.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Trump’s declining popularity and a desire to fight fascism won’t determine this outcome.

‘Whether a fascist US’ will be determined by the success or failure of the struggle to overthrow fascism.

At issue is, ‘who organizes the fight against fascism, on the basis of what perspective is that fight to be waged, and what class will fight it.’

In any context, fascism’s rise displays a system in crisis. That fascism at all rose shows the Democratic Party’s inability and resolute refusal to defend democracy or to conduct any effective drive struggle against it.

For that reason, the fight against fascism must not be trusted to the Democratic Party as it will ensure the defeat of democracy.

Trump's popularity is due to the Democratic inclination to defend unpopular minorities.

I am confident that Trump's economic policies will further erode his popularity. if Trump's popularity exceeds 60% there will be no point in fighting fascism. Those who tried would be sent straight to concentration camps.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘There isn't any other party or political organization that can do it.’

And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen!

The politically demoralized petit bourgeoisie Democratic Party capitulates and admits it can’t stop fascism! Thank you Politruk!

I’ve wanted this since opening this account.

As for your closing question, it will matter when the working class unites behind its own program. Still going to feign ‘independence?’

I don’t believe it. You’ll run for cover behind Trump’s kilt when the working class comes.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘The Democratic Party doesn't support having a dictator…’

Oh you don’t, you say!

 

[Politruk]

The politically demoralized petit bourgeoisie Democratic Party capitulates and admits it can’t stop fascism! Thank you Politruk!

No, only that nobody else can.

As for your closing question, it will matter when the working class unites behind its own program.

How can that happen? Most white American proles vote for Trump! And the nonwhites vote Democrat! Do you really think you'll live to see any socialist or Communist movement get any traction with them?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘Trump's popularity is due to …’

I suggest that Trump’s “popularity” is due to the Democratic Party inability to stop fascism’s rise [Politruk in #54] … almost as much as its refusal to fight it.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Oh you don’t, you say!

"The move by the FBI and the Obama administration is intended as a trial balloon."

The article is from 15 years ago. The FBI raid was clearly not a "trial balloon" to establish a dictatorship.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘How can that happen …’

Admit it, Politruk.

When proletarian America says , we’re assuming responsibility for the administration of this country … you’ll flee to the sides of your … what’s the language … your ‘Republican colleagues,’ I believe … and support their declaration that whole regions are ‘lost to the Republic’ and must be leveled [Gaza style] in order to ‘reclaim’ and/or ‘save’ the glorious Republic.

Won’t you.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

"The move by the FBI and the Obama administration is intended as a trial balloon."

The article is from 15 years ago. The FBI raid was clearly not a "trial balloon" to establish a dictatorship.

An older article was selected to establish that some of us have been warning of such events under both Party administrations for years.

Should have listened!

Too late now!

 

[Politruk]

Admit it, Politruk.

When proletarian America says , we’re assuming responsibility for the administration of this country … you’ll flee to the sides of your … what’s the language … your ‘Republican colleagues,’ I believe … and support their declaration that whole regions are ‘lost to the Republic’ and must be leveled [Gaza style] in order to ‘reclaim’ and/or ‘save’ the glorious Republic.

Won’t you.

No, I'll be marching under a red flag.

But I despair of ever getting the opportunity to do that in a way that matters more than a pointless quixotic demonstration like this.

I did have hopes for the People's Party (formed by veterans of the Sanders campaigns), but it appears to have disbanded.

Maybe the Working Families Party has more potential. It has roughly the same social-democratic left-progressive politics as the Canadian New Democrats.

But that's as far left as it can go here. The American proletariat will never unite behind any Communist or Trotskyist movement. That option has existed for more than a hundred years and never appealed to enough of them to matter.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

An older article was selected to establish that some of us have been warning of such events under both Party administrations for years.

Should have listened!

Too late now!

You should have helped defeat Donald Trump in November.

 

[Politruk]

You should have helped defeat Donald Trump in November.

Some reds take a worse-is-better approach -- let things go as far right as they can and that might provoke a revolution.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I suggest that Trump’s “popularity” is due to the Democratic Party inability to stop fascism’s rise [Politruk in #54] … almost as much as its refusal to fight it.

You can't fight popular opinions. They will change when circumstances change.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Some reds take a worse-is-better approach -- let things go as far right as they can and that might provoke a revolution.

Accelerationists are foolish. The socialists' refusing to take a stand against fascism has damaged their brand.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

A vast majority of people throwing the words facism communism or facist, communist around can't define them and are only saying because their sides propaganda says to.

FYP/YW Hitch!

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘The socialists' refusing to take a stand against fascism…’

As the article shows [and I most assuredly can find earlier examples] that socialists took their stand fascism long ago.

The Democratic Party exists to serve the capitalist state by suppressing the working class to its diktats while taking 6 digit salaries [or more] for said services.

Politruk cedes that he sees nothing that can stop fascism. Had our resident white bellbird anything to offer on that count but to chant, ‘fight, fight, fight, [translation: vote for us], it wouldn’t need to rely on narrative inversion by attributing Trump’s ‘success’ to socialist opposition to fascism, while the Democratic Party attempts to strangle the emergence of genuine opposition to fascism.

 

[Politruk]

Politruk cedes that he sees nothing that can stop fascism.

No -- once again, I see nothing except for the Democrats that can stop fascism.

 

[Politruk]

while the Democratic Party attempts to strangle the emergence of genuine opposition to fascism.

It's not doing that!

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘I'll be marching under a red flag…’

Democrats. They’ll say anything.

So far as I see, that’s the GOP banner.

The socialist won’t have you. You have no principles that we can see.

 

[Politruk]

I'm reminded of Sinclair Lewis' 1935 novel It Can't Happen Here. In the Vermont town where Doremus Jessup lives, there are two auto mechanics, one a Communist, one a Social Democrat, and they are constantly arguing as if the differences between their positions are the only political differences that matter. They are astonished when the fascist Corpos come to power, see no difference between them, and send both of them to internment camps.

Of course, just the same thing happened to the Communists and Social Democrats in Germany. The Communists regarded the "Social Fascists" as the real enemy, dismissing the Nazis as irrelevant. They might have prevented Hitler's rise if they had joined forces.

 

[Politruk]

Democrats. They’ll say anything.

So far as I see, that’s the GOP banner.

The socialist won’t have you. You have no principal that we can see.

I vote Dem for the same reason many Libertarians vote Pub -- what else ya gonna do? But I'm a longtime member of the DSA.