Vance says administration may ignore court ruling

[Lathanar1]

Then it won't happen until after the midterms.

If, and it is a big if, they flip the house back to have enough votes to bring articles of impeachment, flipping all 20 GOP senate seats in the midterms still would not get the Dems the votes needed to convict. Trump would have to do something so egregious that the GOP would turn against him to get impeached.

 

[Politruk]

If, and it is a big if, they flip the house back to have enough votes to bring articles of impeachment, flipping all 20 GOP senate seats in the midterms still would not get the Dems the votes needed to convict. Trump would have to do something so egregious that the GOP would turn against him to get impeached.

See post #14.

But that is not today's GOP.

 

[Politruk]

If the executive branch can disregard court orders, we no longer have a republic.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘Three weeks into this administration, and already we have a constitutional crisis?!’

The Constitution’ is legally inoperative and the United States Republic has fallen.

— You are NOT going to vote this problem away.

— The Democratic Party is NOT going to save you.

— Capitalism is NOT going to get better.

American capitalism cannot defeat fascism. That falls to the working class.

 

[Politruk]

The Constitution’ is legally inoperative and the United States Republic has fallen.

— You are NOT going to vote this problem away.

— The Democratic Party is NOT going to save you.

— Capitalism is NOT going to get better.

American capitalism cannot defeat fascism. That falls to the working class.

The working class has no revolutionary aspirations, and never will in your lifetime.

 

[icanhelp1]

If the executive branch can disregard court orders, we no longer have a republic.

If the judiciary can exercise authority it does not have then we have tyranny by judicial fiat and a loss of separation of powers. When that happens we no longer have a republic.

 

[PaxNurgle]

And that is happening NOW. When the president can ignore the Constitution and the separation of powers explicitly lined out in the Constitution, ignore judicial fiat and overstep his authority, violate basic human rights (including, especially, those delininated by the Constitution) then yes, we no longer have a republic. It is up to the courts to step in when a rogue president would attempt to create a dictatorship. This is how the Framers intended the republic to work. It is unfortunate that you consistently fail to understand this.

 

[ll74]

If the judiciary can exercise authority it does not have then we have tyranny by judicial fiat and a loss of separation of powers. When that happens we no longer have a republic.

That's not what is happening.

That is what your God guy is telling you is happening. The majority of the court's restrictions have resulted from the Executive overreach or failure to follow simple process.

Nobody has stopped them from deportations except their own incompetence

 

[Politruk]

If the judiciary can exercise authority it does not have then we have tyranny by judicial fiat

A thing that has never existed in human history -- and how would it even work, in terms of ruling a society on the ground from day to day? -- but there are countless examples of tyranny by executives. Save your worries for things worth worrying about.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘…The working class has no revolutionary aspirations, and never will in your lifetime.’

That, from the political operative who found no better explanation of the November’24 disaster than to censure the voting public for its stupidity.

This is clear: the Democratic Party [neither democratic nor party, but a GOP asset] can make no appeal to the working masses.

It cannot so much as admit to the possibility of a working class social consciousness. Nor does said petit bourgeoisie faction recognize the 298M+/- US working class in anything other than purely formulary manner.

When denying the possibility of a uniquely proletarian perspective to the working class, Democratic officials declare their intention to stand beside ‘Republican colleagues’ and turn guns on the American people before ceding their privilege to a workers republic.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘And that is happening NOW…’

… which is why I keep saying that the United States Republic doesn’t exist. It has fallen.

Of course the dinosaurs will protest that, since society still staggers along, it is evident [to them, at least], that our glorious kakistocracy remains still.

Time to draft a new Constitution for the Socialist Republics of the Americas.

 

[Politruk]

Time to draft a new Constitution for the Socialist Republics of the Americas.

What course of events can you plausibly imagine that would make that possible? We're not about to have any revolution in the U.S. You pluralize "Americas," but the socialist cause is hardly doing any better south of the border.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘We're not about to have any revolution …’

No worries whatsoever! But keep saying it to be sure!

Additionally, we want to document Democratic Party hostility toward, and non-recognition of, the 298M+/- who are the US working class.

 

[Politruk]

No worries whatsoever! But keep saying it to be sure!

We have no reason to think a socialist revolution any more probable than a fascist revolution.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘We have no reason to think …’

… that 298M+/- with no political representation, no access to justice or legal recourse, facing war, global war, and a sixth, great extinction event, and retained as political hostages to a paltry 33M+/- would EVER think of social revolt …

 

[Politruk]

… that 298M+/- with no political representation, no access to justice or legal recourse, facing war, global war, and a sixth, great extinction event, and retained as political hostages to a paltry 33M+/- would EVER think of social revolt …

You have no reason to think a socialist revolution any more probable than a fascist revolution. How many Americans even think in socialist terms?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘How many Americans even think in socialist terms?’

… Enough that the bourgeoisie feels constrained to remind us continuously that it is a complete failure.

… Enough that the petit bourgeoisie feels constrained continuously to tell us that there is no possibility of succeeding.

 

[JohnEngelman]

This is serious shit. We've depended on the courts to protect the rule of law since the beginning of the republic. Not even Nixon ever defied them this brazenly.

Trump wants to achieve dictatorial power. I doubt he will succeed because he is much less intelligent than Hitler and Mussolini. Also, the American people are too independent and skeptical of government for fascism.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Wonder if the third Trump impeachment will go any differently from the last two.

I doubt it. Republicans in Congress who know how dangerous Trump is know how dangerous it is to oppose him.

Trump's cult followers in the white lower class will vote against them

 

[Bray123]

The problem is that the judiciary failed to enforce the powers that they did have.

If Trump had been jailed for his felony convictions (like anybody else in the country would have been), we wouldn't be in the mess. It was when the judges decided that the President was above the law, i.e. a King, that gave him the green light to act as such.

He is now proposing to shut down entire government departments and place all their functions under his personal control, exactly as a dictator would want it.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/...-american-diplomats-state-department-00300029

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘ … too independent and skeptical of government for fascism.’

The word ‘for’ in ‘for fascism’ needs explication.

For example: does it mean ‘too independent and skeptical to believe fascism, ‘too independent and skeptical to tolerate fascism, ‘too independent and skeptical to submit to fascism, etc.

The present point seems to be to ‘impose’ fascism. This would hardly be the first time that unpopular measures were imposed on a benumbed electorate. Short of repeating the same assertion, are there any compelling reasons to believe that ‘this’ time will be any different?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

‘ … his personal control, exactly as a dictator would want it.’

… which is interesting, because for some time, the ‘personal dictatorship’ idea has been tossed around by the folk at the World Socialist Web Site International Editorial Board. Could they be onto something?

 

[JohnEngelman]

The word ‘for’ in ‘for fascism’ needs explication.

For example: does it mean ‘too independent and skeptical to believe fascism, ‘too independent and skeptical to tolerate fascism, ‘too independent and skeptical to submit to fascism, etc.

The present point seems to be to ‘impose’ fascism. This would hardly be the first time that unpopular measures were imposed on a benumbed electorate. Short of repeating the same assertion, are there any compelling reasons to believe that ‘this’ time will be any different?

Trump is already losing popularity. I do not doubt that he would like to achieve dictatorial power, but I doubt he will.

 

[TrailerHitch]

A vast majority of people throwing the words facism, or facist, around can't define them and are only saying because their sides propaganda says to.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

… which is interesting, because for some time, the ‘personal dictatorship’ idea has been tossed around by the folk at the World Socialist Web Site International Editorial Board. Could they be onto something?

No. Letting a dictator run a country is a stupid idea.