Personal theory on Trump, Putin and Ukraine

[Bn2f]

You're way off base.

America is already at ease with China — it's not a overt shooting war. Just a prolonged Cold War 2.0 with spies, cyberwar (I'd avoid Temu and Baidu, just FYI), fifth column shenanigans, fourth estate word-bombs, and economic conflict.

I forget which British fellow said it, but he rightly declared at the twilight of the British empire that the late 20th Century belonged to three supernations: the United States, China, and Russia.

I'm going to add India for the late 21st Century, not just because of its nukes, but because it too, has great potential.

Clown. STFU

 

[Bn2f]

Harvard. Can you pinpoint my writing style?

Haha.
We’re rivals! I’m a graduate of Yale. Yale Poly Tech community college and beauty school.

 

[Bn2f]

Lol
I’m really starting to like youz

Don’t.
You’re a trumper.
I respect my liberal colleagues being loquacious and trying to educate you on truths but that’s not my objective. I’m here to mock and embarrass.

 

[Politruk]

Uhhh ok… I’ll go along with that.
Razor wire placed in a high traffic area was removed and nobody made it through while the liberal judges order was waiting to be overturned. Makes sense.

At least the fake news convinced you that was not a lie… just no one made it through.

See the CNN story you linked. Two people drowned, but nobody crossed.

 

[Politruk]

Many are raped the whole way, drown, die of exposure. Being a criminal is dangerous and has risks.

 

[Politruk]

fake news

You are an idiot.

 

[TheOtherTeacher]

Thank you everyone for staying on my topic and not letting this become a partizan shouting match.

 

[Bn2f]

Thank you everyone for staying on my topic and not letting this become a partizan shouting match.

trump is many things but he doesn’t want war with china. A tariffs war, but not a military one. trump is con man interested in profit. He would use the military against small countries and on US citizens protesting - that falls in line with his petty bullying. Why do you believe he’s itching for war with china?

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

Thank you everyone for staying on my topic and not letting this become a partizan shouting match.

Thanks for starting a thread so I could give my opinion..,,
I’ll take a break and polish my trophies.

 

[Lance_Castro]

I’m here to mock and embarrass.

If so, you’re doing well.

I laugh at you lots.

Lol

 

[Bn2f]

If so, you’re doing well.

I laugh at you lots.

Lol

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[TheOtherTeacher]

trump is many things but he doesn’t want war with china. A tariffs war, but not a military one. trump is con man interested in profit. He would use the military against small countries and on US citizens protesting - that falls in line with his petty bullying. Why do you believe he’s itching for war with china?

I don't believe he WANTS a war. I don't think he is itching for it.

But I think that he thinks it will happen.

(Like if you see your boss acting differently around you. You don't want to get fired, but you think it's coming)

The Taiwan issue isn't going away. China still wants it as theirs. And Taiwan still makes most of the computer chips the US uses (if I understand correctly).

China is increasing its military. But its economic system is not as strong as it wants, and may decide to take what it can't buy.

If Trump is expecting a war, and needs Russia on his side, would that explain why he is so happy to give Putin everything he wants?

(And in the nicest possible way, I don't think Trump is stupid. You don't get to be president by being stupid... unless your dad used to be president !)

I can accept Trump as manipulative and self-seeking. But stupid is hard to believe. He has a motive for what he's doing. Right or wrong, there is a motive.

 

[Bn2f]

I don't believe he WANTS a war. I don't think he is itching for it.

But I think that he thinks it will happen.

(Like if you see your boss acting differently around you. You don't want to get fired, but you think it's coming)

The Taiwan issue isn't going away. China still wants it as theirs. And Taiwan still makes most of the computer chips the US uses (if I understand correctly).

China is increasing its military. But its economic system is not as strong as it wants, and may decide to take what it can't buy.

If Trump is expecting a war, and needs Russia on his side, would that explain why he is so happy to give Putin everything he wants?

(And in the nicest possible way, I don't think Trump is stupid. You don't get to be president by being stupid... unless your dad used to be president !)

I can accept Trump as manipulative and self-seeking. But stupid is hard to believe. He has a motive for what he's doing. Right or wrong, there is a motive.

Then we disagree. I do think he is stupid. I believe his stupidity is now augmented by onset dementia. He’s a white male who has continually failed upwards in everything he’s touched. I give him credit for self promotion - unceasing, tireless self promotion.

Russia, china, the taliban - insert whatever enemy you choose, all can achieve their goals without bloodshed from an America turning to isolationist policies and governed by a president who is compromised but still has unfettered access to state secrets.

 

[Politruk]

I don't believe he WANTS a war. I don't think he is itching for it.

But I think that he thinks it will happen.

Trump is not mentally capable of thinking that far ahead. He is not even capable of retaining the information when the Joint Chiefs tell him war with China is likely or unlikely.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

A tariffs war, but not a military one

Yet what is war but the extension of politics by other means?

 

[Politruk]

Thank you everyone for staying on my topic and not letting this become a partizan shouting match.

Getting back on topic, it would appear that Trump's only reason (apart from personal loyalty to Putin) for regarding Russia is a potential ally against China is that Russians are white.

Kindasorta.

 

[Bn2f]

Yet what is war but the extension of politics by other means?

Ok sure. We can go all Clausewitz.
His pending tariffs are still dumb, still stock market manipulation, and has cost us immeasurably in trust and lost revenue.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Ok sure. We can go all Clausewitz.
His pending tariffs are still dumb, still stock market manipulation, and has cost us immeasurably in trust and lost revenue.

My point was that the distinction you made between a trade war and a shooting war can be quite challenging to maintain — for precisely the reason Carl Von Clausewitz indicated.

Trump can eschew war all he wants. The question is whether geopolitical and socioeconomic realities will allow him to do otherwise.

 

[Bn2f]

My point was that the distinction you made between a trade war and a shooting war can be quite challenging to maintain — for precisely the reason Carl Von Clausewitz indicated.

Trump can eschew war all he wants. The question is whether geopolitical and socioeconomic realities will allow him to do otherwise.

I can agree to this.

Also, if you’re trolling, as I believe you to be attempting in the Tesla thread - you’re doing it wrong. You stated a false equivalence between the two parties. No bueno.

 

[Rightguide]

Ok. Not an American (or a Russian). Just someone watching the world news. I have thoughts and want to know if other people think my logic is sound or flawed.

My idea -
Trump thinks war with China is inevitable. (I'm not saying it is, I'm saying HE thinks that.)

Trump expects Europe to side with America by default. He's pretty sure he can insult the counties and their politicians all he likes. They still will choose America over China.

But Russia?

Russia (in his mind) are the deciding factor. If Russia is with the US, it's an easy win.
But if Russia goes to China's team, it becomes WW3, and a race to fire nukes.

Therefore, Trump will give everything Putin asks, because he's after something more than Ukraine, he's after an ally in the next big war.

(Again, not defending Trump's actions. Just trying to understand his actions)

What do you think? Am I onto something, or way off base?

Trump wants peace and a return to normal business relationships between the Europeans, America, and the Russians, to keep them out of the Chinese orbit. It isn't just Trump who thinks war is inevitable with China, but the Chinese are saying so themselves. It's an emerging national security reality that we must prepare for.

Europe has more people and money than the US does. It's time for them to build and employ a credible deterrent of their own and seek peaceful relations with the Russians, whom they outnumber and can outspend if motivated to do so. We can help with that deterrence but we cannot be the whole of it. Europe can do what it thinks is in its own best interests. It is they who take us for granted.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

I can agree to this.

Also, if you’re trolling, as I believe you to be attempting in the Tesla thread - you’re doing it wrong. You stated a false equivalence between the two parties. No bueno.

OK thank-you for this. I’ve never been able to discern where you are on the spectrum.

If I could … my perspective is different. I don’t wave the banner in every post; but I make no secret of my agreement with the international Trotskyist tendency.

This perspective sees the ruling class as the product of a mutually necessary but decidedly hostile alliance between two factions. One is expressed in the GOP, and the other by the Democratic Party.

As I see it, NEITHER could rule without the support of the other. But BOTH feud bitterly on every issue with the intent to seize the lion’s share of the wealth produced by the working class. In effect, Capitalism is the struggle of two sections of the ruling class for dominance over societal resources and wealth.

I make this point NOT because I expect your agreement, but because I would rather be seen as an eccentric than a troll.

For a sense of what this take looks like — What is the pseudo-left

 

[Politruk]

I can agree to this.

Also, if you’re trolling, as I believe you to be attempting in the Tesla thread - you’re doing it wrong. You stated a false equivalence between the two parties. No bueno.

To H_S, all non-Marxist parties are the same. The only political differences that matter are between Communists and Trotskyists.

And you don't need to be a Marxist to see there really is a point there.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump is not mentally capable of thinking that far ahead. He is not even capable of retaining the information when the Joint Chiefs tell him war with China is likely or unlikely.

You lack the mental capacity to assess the issue in a balanced, apolitical manner. Ideology drives your perspective rather than the realities on the ground. Your hatred for and underestimation of Donald Trump as Commander-in-Chief create a barrier between you and clear judgment in this foreign policy arena.

 

[Politruk]

Trump wants peace and a return to normal business relationships between the Europeans, America, and the Russians, to keep them out of the Chinese orbit.

There are no normal business relations unless China is part of them.

 

[Politruk]

You lack the mental capacity to assess the issue in a balanced, apolitical manner.

No, that would be Trump.

And this is a political issue that cannot logically be assessed in an apolitical manner -- a nonpartisan manner, perhaps, but not apolitical.