Ten Great Books

[MelissaBaby]

This whole thing got set off by a poster describing activity while a minor that involved other minors.

There is no room for that here and everyone on this thread knows it.

Thank you for adding clarification. Any comment about my other post?

 

[UsuallyPresent]

Did you mean Wiseman?

Good crimny, I do. Editing…

 

[Bramblethorn]

Good crimny, I do. Editing…

There is a Jay Lake (or was, alas), but I don't recall him writing much on that topic!

 

[AwkwardlySet]

(Having read further in the thread...)

Well, I was speaking for myself there...

Site policy is important of course, but no one here has a problem with that. Most of us here know the website policy through sheer posting of our stories. We have to comply with them.

The true problem is moderators throwing their weight around and interpreting forum policies any way they see fit, and as you can see, often displaying a basic lack of manners in doing it, and even threatening with bans in every other post. This is not how you moderate a forum frequented by sensible adults, especially considering the fact that this is AH MOD's turf, after all.
But more than that, you can clearly see moderators misleading people here into thinking that these actions were done by Laurel, Manu, or some illusive ADMIN person, as if we are all mentally impaired here.

 

[lovecraft68]

I hope no one thinks this is about Jafo, or any of the mods personally, it's about site policy.

To be clear I mean he agrees that the pictures in ampic and other forums are problematic, but the site's policy, is-to reference back to the mention of Mad Magazine "What, me worry?"

 

[MelissaBaby]

To be clear I mean he agrees that the pictures in ampic and other forums are problematic, but the site's policy, is-to reference back to the mention of Mad Magazine "What, me worry?"

I understand. I wanted to make clear that, while some people are obviously mad at JaFo and BarefootWhoever, my concern is not about them personally, but their interpretation of site policy.

Here is an excerpt from my novel, Isabel.

For context: Isabel found a copy of Patricia Highsmith's novel, The Price of Salt, in her sister's bedroom. Flipping through it, she realized it was a lesbian love story. She gets a copy for herself and reads it...

That night, she could not get to sleep. There was so much that she did not understand, and her mind would not let her rest.

She'd been profoundly touched by Highsmith's story of women in love. It was very well written, the characters were well drawn and sympathetic, and the plot kept her turning the pages. But she'd read lots of good books and she couldn't think of any that kept her awake at night.

It was not hard for her to reconcile herself to the idea that her sister was very likely a lesbian. She would still love her, nothing would change that. But another question was forming in her mind. She thought of Highsmith's words about girls falling in love with other girls, and how they were not always the kind of girls you might imagine them to be, and she wondered if she might be one of them herself.

If JaFo's interpretation of the rules is correct, that is a violation.

And yet, the story was not just accepted, it won the 2023 Reader's Choice Award for Best Novel/Novella.

 

[jaF0]

If JaFo's interpretation of the rules is correct, that is a violation.

Is there anything in that passage that details the character actively interacting with another minor as there was in the post in question?

 

[ThatNewGuy]

Fun topic, @yowser! These books all influenced me at different points in my life:

1. Harold and the Purple Crayon (Crockett Johnson)
2. Calvin and Hobbes (Bill Watterson)
3. Journey to the Center of the Earth (Jules Verne)
4. Flowers for Algernon (Daniel Keyes)
5. Collected stories of Tobias Wolff
6. Collected stories of Flannery O'Connor
7. The Stand (Stephen King)
8. Ender's Game (Orson Scott Card)
9. The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat and Other Clinical Tales (Oliver Sacks)
10. The Road (Cormac McCarthy)

 

[MelissaBaby]

Is there anything in that passage that details the character actively interacting with another minor as there was in the post in question?

I assume you read it and know it does not. But your comment re:AG31 reads:

Mentioning a book that contains content isn't the issue. Saying how it affected you and that you used it to teach other elementary school age children is.

And I am seeking clarification whether the bolded words stand as a separate clause.

 

[lovecraft68]

I understand. I wanted to make clear that, while some people are obviously mad at JaFo and BarefootWhoever, my concern is not about them personally, but their interpretation of site policy.

Here is an excerpt from my novel, Isabel.

For context: Isabel found a copy of Patricia Highsmith's novel, The Price of Salt, in her sister's bedroom. Flipping through it, she realized it was a lesbian love story. She gets a copy for herself and reads it...



If JaFo's interpretation of the rules is correct, that is a violation.

And yet, the story was not just accepted, it won the 2023 Reader's Choice Award for Best Novel/Novella.

The mods care more about policy than the site

I lost count of how many underage or flat-out rape stories I've reported over the years, and nothing happens to any of them. After a point in time, the 'slipped through' isn't viable, it's just lack of caring until it's time to make some noise about it.

The MO here is if someone comes here and says they have a NC story that was rejected, they're told "well, you can't post NC here" but when someone comes here with a link and says how the hell is this story on this site, they're told-by the same people-well, that one is okay.

Example: Read this looking for a story thread and ask yourself how this would even get published here

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/looking-for-a-story-about-wife’s-revenge-fuck.1629307/

So maybe the reason people get irritated over mods enforcing a rule is because the site itself gives zero care for their own 'rules' to the point it seems out of place when someone does bring it up.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Rogue bully mods

Exactly. Righteous bullshit empowered and abusing said power.

This is what happens when you give Cartman autoritah!

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Having read the initial post, I would have also edited it or removed it. Just adding my name to the power-tripping bully mod list, I guess.

 

[jaF0]

I assume you read it and know it does not. But your comment re:AG31 reads:



And I am seeking clarification whether the bolded words stand as a separate clause.

Why do we continue to nitpick this?

We know how the rule works.

If a story depicts a minor character reading a book and makes a casual reference to the result (as in your excerpt), there is no issue

If a story depicts a minor character reading an explicit book and makes a detailed refences to resulting intimate actions, there is a problem. If the story also depicts the minor character engaging with other minors, there is a problem.

A minor cannot be involved in intimate acts, even tangentially. That is a sitewide rule, for stories, forums, roleplay and Chat.


It isn't a simple either/or. It's a combination of multiple bits that were ALL present in the post that started this.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Having read the initial post, I would have also edited it or removed it. Just adding my name to the power-tripping bully mod list, I guess.

I hope you would have signed your name as well.

Anyway, I am glad we are back to the narrative that this was edited by a mod, and that we'll hopefully see no more lies about Laurel or some imaginary nameless admin doing something.

 

[jaF0]

Example: Read this looking for a story thread and ask yourself how this would even get published here

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/looking-for-a-story-about-wife’s-revenge-fuck.1629307/

I would have taken that thread down. I think I reported it, but Huggy Bear doesn't act on reports very quickly.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Why do we continue to nitpick this?

We know how the rule works.

If a story depicts a minor character reading a book and makes a casual reference to the result (as in your excerpt), there is no issue

If a story depicts a minor character reading an explicit book and makes a detailed refences to resulting intimate actions, there is a problem. If the story also depicts the minor character engaging with other minors, there is a problem.

A minor cannot be involved in intimate acts, even tangentially. That is a sitewide rule, for stories, forums, roleplay and Chat.


It isn't a simple either/or. It's a combination of multiple bits that were ALL present in the post that started this.

I don't think that it is nitpicking to seek clarity as to whether or not my own story violates site rules.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would have taken that thread down. I think I reported it, but Huggy Bear doesn't act on reports very quickly.

Point isn't so much the thread, it's the fact that story is out there somewhere. That is what I meant in my last post when saying that the mods-some-pay more attention than the site itself.

The forum I see a lot of posts that should probably be pulled is story ideas, AKA the "every idea needs to devolve into rape" forum mixed with "No, FFS you cannot age up child characters."

 

[jaF0]

SI and LFS would be different boards if I had access.

I misread the board though. Thought that was on SI. I think the OP is looking for any story like that, not a specific one they've read before. I didn't get the impression they'd seen the story here, just that they'd want to see it. Which is another problem.

I'd still have taken that down.

 

[AG31]

Harold and the Purple Crayon (Crockett Johnson)

I did enjoy that a lot when I read it to my kids and grandkids, but I can't figure out how it would influence someone. Can you tell us?

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Why do we continue to nitpick this?

Because the quotes got modded out so you won and now you don't want to answer to anything, shrug off the responsibility of explaining. You won and you just want us to stfu, nya-nyah.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I hope you would have signed your name as well.

Anyway, I am glad we are back to the narrative that this was edited by a mod, and that we'll hopefully see no more lies about Laurel or some imaginary nameless admin doing something.

I have never signed my name to a post that I edited. I’ve also never denied editing a post. I’m not sure why you’re assuming I support any statements about who did or didn’t edit the posts in question here. It is more than possible that Laurel edited them. None of us can see who edited the posts, but I can confirm that Laurel does take action on reports in the forum. It’s not just the moderators who take action on reports.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I have never signed my name to a post that I edited. I’ve also never denied editing a post. I’m not sure why you’re assuming I support any statements about who did or didn’t edit the posts in question here. It is more than possible that Laurel edited them. None of us can see who edited the posts, but I can confirm that Laurel does take action on reports in the forum. It’s not just the moderators who take action on reports.

I've been a super admin of my school's website for a long time, and much before that, I was a forum moderator for my guild back in my gaming days. I know how forum moderating works.
Super admin creates roles and assigns them to certain forum members. You have a moderator role, along with several other people. Laurel doesn't have that role. SHE is the super admin, along with Manu I assume. If she had edited those posts, it wouldn't have said "last edited by the moderator", it would have said last edited by the super admin. But it doesn't because the editing was done by someone with moderator privileges only, which sure as hell isn't Laurel.
I've actually seen Laurel (or Manu) in action. When they intervene they don't edit the post, they delete it completely, which is a privilege none of the mods have, clearly.

So you can do your job any way you see fit as far as I am concerned, but let's not keep this pretense up that it's Laurel or Manu doing it and not one of the mods. I mean, we do know who the likely culprit is, but that one pretense we can continue to keep; I'm not hung up on it. Maybe one day that mod will grow a pair and start signing their name.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

None of us can see who edited the posts, but I can confirm that Laurel does take action on reports in the forum. It’s not just the moderators who take action on reports.

Yes she does, and not very well.

 

[MelissaBaby]

At this point, I'm just wondering how many more moderators from other boards are going to pop in here to scold us before the thread gets locked.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

At this point, I'm just wondering how many more moderators from other boards are going to pop in here to scold us before the thread gets locked.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. The topic is an interesting one, even though there was much derailment. I'm as guilty as the next person, I suppose, but at least it wasn't frivolous derailing. These issues are important.