For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ll74]

It’s super easy to post “I Stand With Ukraine” from a phone thousands of miles from Kiev. It’s not so easy to actually put skin in the game.

As all the people supporting Trump are showing is that supporting them with equipment and money IS actually putting our skin in the game. The argument that somehow we need to go participate in the defense of Ukraine is the only real way of demonstrating that is idiotic.

I support Ukraine defending themselves against their invader, who is only doing so because of imperialism and who is actively kidnapping Ukranian children.

 

[ChloeTzang]

As all the people supporting Trump are showing is that supporting them with equipment and money IS actually putting out skin in the game. The argument that somehow we need to go participate in the defense of Ukraine is the only real way of demonstrating that is idiotic.

I support Ukraine defending themselves against their invader, who is only doing so because of imperialism and who is actively kidnapping Ukranian children.

Exactly. Personally, I have raised a few thousand bucks myself and used that to contribute to Ukrainian fundraises, as well as donating needed equipment to Ukrainian army units. Early on, when their Army was short of basic stuff like winter kit and body armor and medical kits, I bought things like winter sleeping bags and medical aid kits. as well as the small stuff you need like tac gloves and boots, and contributed to fund raisers for things like body armor, night vision equipment, helmets. I even have a miniscule share in the contributions towards buying 60 Spartan IFV's. LOL. Nowadays, I contribute primarily to fund raisers for drones, altho there are still many Ukrainian army units, partifcularly the Territorial units, that are still short on some of the basic equipment they need.

I can do far more to help Ukraine by raising money and contributing to fund raisers for essential equipment like more drones than by running off to join their Army. They're perfectly capable of fighting for themselves, and want to do so - unlike every other "ally" we've supported in the last twenty years (except maybe for the Kurds)

 

[ll74]

Exactly. Personally, I have raised a few thousand bucks myself and used that to contribute to Ukrainian fundraises, as well as donating needed equipment to Ukrainian army units. Early on, when their Army was short of basic stuff like winter kit and body armor and medical kits, I bought things like winter sleeping bags and medical aid kits. as well as the small stuff you need like tac gloves and boots, and contributed to fund raisers for things like body armor, night vision equipment, helmets. I even have a miniscule share in the contributions towards buying 60 Spartan IFV's. LOL. Nowadays, I contribute primarily to fund raisers for drones, altho there are still many Ukrainian army units, partifcularly the Territorial units, that are still short on some of the basic equipment they need.

I can do far more to help Ukraine by raising money and contributing to fund raisers for essential equipment like more drones than by running off to join their Army. They're perfectly capable of fighting for themselves, and want to do so - unlike every other "ally" we've supported in the last twenty years (except maybe for the Kurds)

I've donated quite a bit of money to drone programs. I will continue to do so. Specifically Molly McKew's programs

 

[ChloeTzang]

At the close of 2024, the Ministry of National Defence of Portugal delivered eight SA-330 Puma helicopters to Ukraine as part of a military assistance package. The delivery to Ukraine has now been confirmed and these helicopters are now in service with the Ukraine military.

A feature of the Portuguese SA-330 Puma is the use of advanced fire control systems, which enables the launch of Exocet anti-ship missiles. In the nose of the helicopter, there is an ORB-31 X-band radar, which can be tailored for different helicopter models. This advanced system is designed for detecting and identifying surface targets, providing weather alerts, assisting with navigation, and supporting fire control to engage both surface and submarine targets.

Like the British and German Sea King helicopters that have been transferred to Ukraine, the Portuguese Pumas are quite old, having been in service from 1970 to 2009, and were actively involved in operations in North Africa during the colonial wars.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/portugal-...-helicopters-to-strengthen-ukraine-s-defense/

 

[ChloeTzang]

I've donated quite a bit of money to drone programs. I will continue to do so. Specifically Molly McKew's programs

I mostly donate to Constantine's fund raisers thru Liberty Ukraine, as well as Harri (who founded UAO who continue to do great work). Constantine's done a couple of excavator fund raisers as well, to help prepare defensive positions and hides for vehicles quickly. I stick with the ones I know that have a solid footprint inside Ukraine but there are a few good ones around.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I’ve come to realize that supporters of “security guarantees” for Ukraine don’t really give a fuck about Ukraine or American interests. They just hate Trump. They hate him so much that they’ve become born again neocons.

I’ve come to realize that supporters of capitulation to Putin don’t really give a fuck about peace or American interests. They just worship Trump. They idolize him so much that they’ve become born again authoritarians.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Information came across the shortwave last night (reception is best at night) the blood bath in Kursk is continuing the Russians are advancing at a steady clip, there are 12 villages "liberated" as of last night and the Russians are on the outskirts of Sudzha... the Ukrainian army in that location is retreating so disorganized they are abandoning the wounded and equipment....of the approximate 360 square miles the the ukies occupied as of late last night the area is down to 200 square miles and shrinking....the Airborne Russians are clearing out the surounding "forest hedge rows" and it continues with the daisy cutters.......reports state that the earth just shakes with the onslaught also if you remember your history this is exactly where the German nazis invaded and received a beat down...coincidentally reports were coming in the some of the Ukrainian soldiers were wearing the twin lightning bolt badge of the German ss on their helmets... once a Nazi always a Nazi.......
The Russian drones of the fpv type continues to hammer/hamper the Ukrainian retreat.......it appears the Russians have learned the drone game very well.....
One last note during this fucking bloodbath the Russians launched, reports of over 170 drones,ballistic missiles and submarine based missiles very few if any were intercepted and the ukies launched a large number of drones of which one did strike a oil refinery and a metals plant doing minor damage..of that number over 75 were intercepted...

 

[ll74]

Information came across the shortwave last night (reception is best at night) the blood bath in Kursk is continuing the Russians are advancing at a steady clip, there are 12 villages "liberated" as of last night and the Russians are on the outskirts of Sudzha... the Ukrainian army in that location is retreating so disorganized they are abandoning the wounded and equipment....of the approximate 360 square miles the the ukies occupied as of late last night the area is down to 200 square miles and shrinking....the Airborne Russians are clearing out the surounding "forest hedge rows" and it continues with the daisy cutters.......reports state that the earth just shakes with the onslaught also if you remember your history this is exactly where the German nazis invaded and received a beat down...coincidentally reports were coming in the some of the Ukrainian soldiers were wearing the twin lightning bolt badge of the German ss on their helmets... once a Nazi always a Nazi.......
The Russian drones of the fpv type continues to hammer/hamper the Ukrainian retreat.......it appears the Russians have learned the drone game very well.....
One last note during this fucking bloodbath the Russians launched, reports of over 170 drones,ballistic missiles and submarine based missiles very few if any were intercepted and the ukies launched a large number of drones of which one did strike a oil refinery and a metals plant doing minor damage..of that number over 75 were intercepted...

I've never seen so much of a pro Russian idiot in my life.

Literally making up shit to fit their narrative

 

[ChloeTzang]

Even if we assume that Putin is 100% a bad actor, it doesn't change anything I said. Russia has taken control of tens of thousands of square miles of Ukraine. That's WITH at least $150billon in US assistance. If your only solution is Russia being pushed all the way out, how do you accomplish that?

Keep in mind a number of things, and #1 is, this is Democratic Party accounting.

The US has allocated about $119.5 billion since 2022, with a further $5.1 billion committed but yet to be allocated. So $120 billion. You can play with the numbers, add in stuff, take stuff out, but $120 billion seems to be the real number.

A little more than half of this, or $67 billion consists of military assistance, with the remainder made up of humanitarian and financial assistance. The military assistance estimate is broadly consistent with the US government’s own figures, with the State Department reporting in January that the US had provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since February 2022. So of that $120 billion, half was humanitarian aid. That can be cut - other countries will front up for that - Japan, for example, which does not provide military assisstance but can front up for those kind of efforts. Now of that humanitarian aid, we can pretty much guarantee that s substantial amount was Democratic Party grift that, as Zelensky has pointed out, never even reached Ukraine.

Of the "$67 billion", military assistance, again, this is Govt Accounting Scam 101, deliberately miscommunicated by both the Democrats and Trump for their own purposes.

- What we have sent was NOT new equipment. We sent old end of life Bradleys, Strykers and M1's, old gun, and old ammo and missiles that was reaching it's use-by date and would otherwise have had to be disposed of. This old stuff was all budgeted at Replacement Cost. Let's emphasis that. REPLACEMENT COST. That means we booked it at what it would cost to replace the old stuff we sent to Ukraine, and that old stuff had a book value of, essentially, zero (for things like the Bradleys, Strykers and M1's sitting in the desert waitimg to be recycled). Old Bradleys are constantly being sent off for recycling. They are worth their value in scrap metal.

- We booked those old Bradley's at replacement cost and that was what was budgeted and approved. What happened to that money, because we're sure not building replacement Bradley's? Only the Pentagon and a few politicians likely know. BUT Ukraine did NOT get $67 billion of weapons. They got maybe a couple of billion dollars worth at best - remember, scrap metal value. As for the ammo and missiles, almost everything we sent them was end of life or near end of life. That stuff is toxic, and we pay to dispose of end of life ammo. It's not cheap. Sending that old ammo to Ukraone actually SAVED us money. Let me say that again. WE SAVED MONEY by sending that old shit to Ukraine and letting them dispose of it on Russians for us. Win-win.

- But what did our politicians do? Instead of saying this, and then budgeting to buy ammo we would have to buy anyhow, they budgeted the REPLACEMENT COST into Ukraine Aid. The end result is, a lot of people, and I don't include Trump here - he's a smart guy and he knows this but he is deliberately misstating it for his own political purposes - remember, all politicians are either liars, or their lies haven't yet been identified. If we did a true accounting of our military aid, you will find that mostly we have handed off old military equipemt with a book value of close or zero, or old ammo hitting it's use by date which has actually saved us money. The true cost is likely a few billion - and a lot of "replacement cost" dollars pumped into the US defense industry, no doubt with kickbacks to politicians of both parties for working so hard to pull off this giant scam. Sure, there's some real costs in there, but that's the few billion.

In return, we have been given access to a huge amount of intelligence and real-war experience which has saved us from what would likely have been an inevitable defeat at the hands of the Chinese military, because we are in no way, shape, or form prepared for the kind of assymmetric warfare China would use (and as Ukraine is showing, a $500 drone can easily take out a $1,000,000 tank). We no longer have to learn that rather costly lesson ourselves.

We could easily give Ukraine all the military equipment they need to win this war - a 1000 Bradley's at a real cost of zero (scrap metal, remember) and a 100 old F16's out in the desert (book value, zero) - someone else would pay to refurbish them - and intelligence (we capture that anyhow). Literally, winning this war would cost us, in real dollar terms, nothing at all. We can sell Ukraine the ammo. Pay for it from confiscated Russian assets. Again, zero cost to us. If we're that uptiht about that $120 billion, we just take that from confiscated Russian assets too.

Nope, the only conclusion one can draw from all of this is that Trump is hard down on Putin's side and wants Putin to win this, while farting out his mouth that it's all Ukraone's fault and Zelensky is a maniac and we sent $350 billion and it was all stolen and yadda yadda yadda. Either Trump's an idiot (he's not), he's power-crazed megalomania (maybe) or he and Putin have some kind of deal (more likely). I'd like to be wrong, but everything Trump is doing seems designed to remove the USA as a world power.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Information came across the shortwave last night (reception is best at night) the blood bath in Kursk is continuing the Russians are advancing at a steady clip, there are 12 villages "liberated" as of last night and the Russians are on the outskirts of Sudzha... the Ukrainian army in that location is retreating so disorganized they are abandoning the wounded and equipment....of the approximate 360 square miles the the ukies occupied as of late last night the area is down to 200 square miles and shrinking....the Airborne Russians are clearing out the surounding "forest hedge rows" and it continues with the daisy cutters.......reports state that the earth just shakes with the onslaught also if you remember your history this is exactly where the German nazis invaded and received a beat down...coincidentally reports were coming in the some of the Ukrainian soldiers were wearing the twin lightning bolt badge of the German ss on their helmets... once a Nazi always a Nazi.......
The Russian drones of the fpv type continues to hammer/hamper the Ukrainian retreat.......it appears the Russians have learned the drone game very well.....
One last note during this fucking bloodbath the Russians launched, reports of over 170 drones,ballistic missiles and submarine based missiles very few if any were intercepted and the ukies launched a large number of drones of which one did strike a oil refinery and a metals plant doing minor damage..of that number over 75 were intercepted...

If it's Kursk you're talking about, you've been listening to too much Russian propaganda. Twin lightning bolts my ass!!!!!! Stay away from the RT and Telegram channels. The best way to approach this is to follow ALL perspectives - Russian, Ukrainian and neutral. I like Tom Cooper myself - he supports Ukraine but is not afraid to crticize them and point out their shortcomings where appropriate - and the ZSU does have a lot of shortcomings. Tom is objective tho, and he attempts to identify the REAL state of affairs. The status below is an excerpt from his latest, and I place far more faith in guys like him than I do on the rantings of some crazed Russian propagandist or Trucker Carlson.

The Russian forces re-initiated their offensive and took Lebedevka, placing them within 6 km of the main road to Sudzha. Over the last four days, they’re assaulting from the north-east in the direction of Sudzha. Within the frame of this effort, on 8 March the Ukrainian reports have it that the Russians attempted to use an underground portion of the local gas-pipeline (east of Bohdanivka) to infiltrate troops into the town: The Ukrainians claim these were detected (apparently by the 95th Airborne) and an entire unit of the Russian DShV (1st Volunteer Expeditionary Assault Corps) - some 80 troops - killed.

At the same time, the North Koreans took the ZSU by surprise, crossed the Psel River to the south-east and drove about 4,000 metres (4 kilometres) deep into the Ukrainian rear, almost reaching the international border and threatening the Ukrainian secondary supply route. The ZSU claims to have hit them hard with cluster ammunition, and stopped this advance cold. But, there’s no denial: this accelerated the Ukrainian withdrawals from Pogrebki and Cherkasskoe Porechnoe….

With limited space to evacuate casualties and bring in replacements, ammo and food, it became extremely difficult to supply the Ukrainian forces. Russia is also constantly bombing and shelling positions and supply routes inside Ukraine. They’re even trying to secure positions inside Ukraine at the border villages of Veselivka, Shuravka and Novenke. This is why the ZSU has evacuated some of units out of the bulge, and then withdrawn others to the railway line north/north-east of the town.

ZSU GenStab-U stressed, ‘Ukraine will not abandon its gains in Kursk’, but the fact is that by withdrawing from the northern side of the bulge and consolidating its positions closer to Sudzha, the ZSU reduced the threat of getting units cut off, and also reduced the pressure upon its logistical system.

As for drones, the Rubican Center of Advanced Unmanned Systems is an effective Russian drone unit that operates in Velyka Novosilka and Pokrovsk but is most heavily involved in Kursk. Their drones are not the cumbersome fiber optic drones but are extremely hard to jam. They’ve taken a heavy toil on Ukrainian logistics and directly contributed to the current situation. Rubicon hasn’t released new videos so Ukraine may or may not have adjusted.

No, it's not a bloodbath. Yes, it is a heavily contested battle zone and one the Russians are focusing everything on. Which is what Ukraine intended when they went in there. This is sucking the Russians in, inflicting enormous casualties on them, and falling back as needed. Nothing out of the ordinary and certainly no disaster. Just, heavy fighting.

Now, a caveat: The Ukrainian EuromaidanPress is claiming that the ‘US provided all the intelligence information to Russia on the Kursk region. Logistics, location of warehouses and strongholds, and movements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were provided to the russians. Which explains the instant and stunning success of the Russians in the Kursk direction.’ No idea if that is true, but if it is that's a stunning betrayal and places America squarely on the side of Russia. It also instantly removes the USA as a neutral arbiter of any peace / ceasefire negotiations. Going forward, it also means Ukraine and it's new intelligece allies (France and the UK) need to cut the USA out of all intelligence loops.

The USA's former allies (that's what they are now, even if ties have not yet been formally dissolved) are now reconsidering what information they will share with America out of fear it will be shown to Russia. Trump already revealed highly classified information to Russia eight years ago.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...na195086?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

https://www.politico.eu/article/nat...mp-hungary-slovakia-national-defense-academy/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

[ChinoMoreno]

James Comer: FBI Doc Alleges ‘Business Person from Ukraine’ Sent ‘Substantial Bribe’ to VP Biden​

WENDELL HUSEBØ7 Jun 2023

The FBI’s informant file of a $5 million bribery scheme allegedly linked to President Joe Biden concerns the family’s business deals in Ukraine, House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) revealed Monday.

In May, Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) made bombshell claims after reviewing an FBI FD-1023 form that documented the informant’s allegations of an alleged bribery scheme involving an exchange of money for policy decisions between now-President Joe Biden and a foreign national. Comer disclosed the informant tip is dated June 30, 2020.

“Yes, it is Ukraine,” Comer told The Just the News. “This form 1023 involves a business person from Ukraine, who allegedly sent a bribe, a substantial bribe to then Vice President Joe Biden.”

The Biden family frequently visited Ukraine for its respective business. Then-Vice President Joe Biden served as the Obama administration’s Ukrainian “point person” on U.S. foreign policy. He visited Ukraine six times while serving as vice president.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...m-ukraine-sent-substantial-bribe-to-vp-biden/

I said long ago there is good reason to believe that Joe Biden has been compromised by Ukraine and other countries.

Bro did they ever prove this allegation?

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Bro did they ever prove this allegation?

Irelevant to the war at this point. I'm sure that under Patel, they'll do their best to investigate this and nail Biden if it's true. To be honest, I hope they DO nail Biden on corruption. He raked in enough money, but then, you could say the same across most of the House and the Senate.

 

[ChloeTzang]

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Keep in mind a number of things, and #1 is, this is Democratic Party accounting.

The US has allocated about $119.5 billion since 2022, with a further $5.1 billion committed but yet to be allocated. So $120 billion. You can play with the numbers, add in stuff, take stuff out, but $120 billion seems to be the real number.

A little more than half of this, or $67 billion consists of military assistance, with the remainder made up of humanitarian and financial assistance. The military assistance estimate is broadly consistent with the US government’s own figures, with the State Department reporting in January that the US had provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since February 2022. So of that $120 billion, half was humanitarian aid. That can be cut - other countries will front up for that - Japan, for example, which does not provide military assisstance but can front up for those kind of efforts. Now of that humanitarian aid, we can pretty much guarantee that s substantial amount was Democratic Party grift that, as Zelensky has pointed out, never even reached Ukraine.

Of the "$67 billion", military assistance, again, this is Govt Accounting Scam 101, deliberately miscommunicated by both the Democrats and Trump for their own purposes.

- What we have sent was NOT new equipment. We sent old end of life Bradleys, Strykers and M1's, old gun, and old ammo and missiles that was reaching it's use-by date and would otherwise have had to be disposed of. This old stuff was all budgeted at Replacement Cost. Let's emphasis that. REPLACEMENT COST. That means we booked it at what it would cost to replace the old stuff we sent to Ukraine, and that old stuff had a book value of, essentially, zero (for things like the Bradleys, Strykers and M1's sitting in the desert waitimg to be recycled). Old Bradleys are constantly being sent off for recycling. They are worth their value in scrap metal.

- We booked those old Bradley's at replacement cost and that was what was budgeted and approved. What happened to that money, because we're sure not building replacement Bradley's? Only the Pentagon and a few politicians likely know. BUT Ukraine did NOT get $67 billion of weapons. They got maybe a couple of billion dollars worth at best - remember, scrap metal value. As for the ammo and missiles, almost everything we sent them was end of life or near end of life. That stuff is toxic, and we pay to dispose of end of life ammo. It's not cheap. Sending that old ammo to Ukraone actually SAVED us money. Let me say that again. WE SAVED MONEY by sending that old shit to Ukraine and letting them dispose of it on Russians for us. Win-win.

- But what did our politicians do? Instead of saying this, and then budgeting to buy ammo we would have to buy anyhow, they budgeted the REPLACEMENT COST into Ukraine Aid. The end result is, a lot of people, and I don't include Trump here - he's a smart guy and he knows this but he is deliberately misstating it for his own political purposes - remember, all politicians are either liars, or their lies haven't yet been identified. If we did a true accounting of our military aid, you will find that mostly we have handed off old military equipemt with a book value of close or zero, or old ammo hitting it's use by date which has actually saved us money. The true cost is likely a few billion - and a lot of "replacement cost" dollars pumped into the US defense industry, no doubt with kickbacks to politicians of both parties for working so hard to pull off this giant scam. Sure, there's some real costs in there, but that's the few billion.

In return, we have been given access to a huge amount of intelligence and real-war experience which has saved us from what would likely have been an inevitable defeat at the hands of the Chinese military, because we are in no way, shape, or form prepared for the kind of assymmetric warfare China would use (and as Ukraine is showing, a $500 drone can easily take out a $1,000,000 tank). We no longer have to learn that rather costly lesson ourselves.

We could easily give Ukraine all the military equipment they need to win this war - a 1000 Bradley's at a real cost of zero (scrap metal, remember) and a 100 old F16's out in the desert (book value, zero) - someone else would pay to refurbish them - and intelligence (we capture that anyhow). Literally, winning this war would cost us, in real dollar terms, nothing at all. We can sell Ukraine the ammo. Pay for it from confiscated Russian assets. Again, zero cost to us. If we're that uptiht about that $120 billion, we just take that from confiscated Russian assets too.

Nope, the only conclusion one can draw from all of this is that Trump is hard down on Putin's side and wants Putin to win this, while farting out his mouth that it's all Ukraone's fault and Zelensky is a maniac and we sent $350 billion and it was all stolen and yadda yadda yadda. Either Trump's an idiot (he's not), he's power-crazed megalomania (maybe) or he and Putin have some kind of deal (more likely). I'd like to be wrong, but everything Trump is doing seems designed to remove the USA as a world power.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine Industry Produced 154 x 155mm Artillery Systems in 2024​

The President did not specify which systems he was talking about, but it is likely to be 155-mm 2S22 Bohdana self-propelled howitzers. "This is a record. In our opinion, 154 systems in a year is more than all NATO countries did together last year. This year we will do more,” President Zelenskyy added.

According to previous official statements made in May 2024, the Ukrainian defense industry had reached a production rate of 10 Bohdana self-propelled howitzers per month. Later, in October, it became known that Ukraine was producing up to 20 Bohdana self-propelled howitzers per month. Thus, the total production of 154 self-propelled artillery systems is quite realistic. The production is financed both from the state budget of Ukraine and under the so-called “Danish model.” For 2025, it's quite likely that 20 per month will be exceeded, meaning at least 250 of these guns well be manufactured and supplied to the ZSU for use in exterminatng the Russian infestation.

In October 2024, a prototype of the Bohdana-B towed artillery system was presented for the first time. It is built on the carriage of the 152 mm 2A36 “Giatsint-B” gun, with structural modifications. If this also goes into production, this will make more artillery available to Ukraine. Worth noting is that 154 guns is more than all the NATO countries produced together.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-industry-produced-154-artillery-systems-in-2024/

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine ramps up Novator armored vehicle production - production doubling over 2025

Production of the Novator, a light amored personnel carrier, by Ukrainian Armor is on target to double over 2025, with contracts now finalized. The ZSU already has hundreds of Novators in service and the vehice has become a key asset for Ukraine’s armed forces, providing mobility and protection in high-risk combat zones. Designed for rapid deployment and versatility, it offers enhanced mine resistance and ballistic protection while maintaining high maneuverability. Built on a reinforced chassis, it is capable of withstanding small-arms fire and explosive threats, making it a crucial component in frontline operations. Belbas emphasized that domestic manufacturers are now fully capable of meeting battlefield demands for armored vehicles. He also asserted that Ukrainian-made equipment matches, and in some cases surpasses, foreign alternatives in terms of quality and battlefield performance. The company remains committed to continuous improvement, ensuring that each vehicle is upgraded in response to operational feedback. Immediate refinements are implemented whenever issues arise, a process that has been crucial in maintaining reliability under combat conditions.

In an interview with Militarnyi last year, Vladyslav Belbas said that as of August, his company had already delivered more than a hundred armored vehicles to the Defense Forces with the intention of completing the year with delivery of several hundred Novator vehicles. “This year, we plan to produce several hundred vehicles – more than in the previous five years combined. We’ve achieved this pace thanks to proper production planning,” he said. “If I had orders for next year already, and they were on par with what we currently have, I could easily increase production volumes two to three times.” According to these words, this year’s state order for armored vehicles from Ukrainian Armor was to reach at least 300 units by the end of the year. These could be basic versions, their 10-seat Novator 2 modification, or specialized versions such as the recently introduced command and control and ambulance vehicles.

Looks like they are now on track to manufacture and delivery hundreds more over 2025.

https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-ramps-up-novator-armored-vehicle-production/

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-contracts-hundreds-of-novator-armored-vehicles/

 

[ChinoMoreno]

Irelevant to the war at this point

It's not irrelevant to the thread tho

I'm sure that under Patel

My mans is always looking the other way with that lazy eye.

He raked in enough money,

Bro we got billionaire leaders in the White House grifting schemes on the US citizens right now.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukrainian elite units break through southern Toretsk as Russian defenses crumble after 9-month battle​

As Russian forces in Toretsk struggled to hold their crumbling defenses, Ukrainian troops launched a decisive push into the town’s southern microdistrict. What followed was a swift and brutal assault as elite Ukrainian units overran exhausted Russian fighters, reclaiming key ground in the battle for control. The Russian forces in the town have exhausted themselves from almost a year of constant and costly urban combat, exposing weak points for the Ukrainians to exploit. Ukrainian forces have exhausted the Russians by draining their resources and manpower while attempting to conserve their own, in carefully executed defensive operations and offensive raids to compensate for their initial numerical disadvantage. After nine months of brutally executed defense, this is now allowing the Ukrainians to finally turn the tables and launch their counterattacks from the strongholds they had pulled back to.

The 8th Combined Arms Army, composed of forcibly conscripted fighters from the Donetsk puppet state, has been “almost entirely eradicated” according to Russian sources, creating critical gaps in defensive lines. The main advantage of the Ukrainian forces is that they are deploying elite units like the Lyut brigade, which specializes in close-quarters combat and assault operations. In contrast, Russians have relied on poorly equipped and undertrained forcibly conscripted soldiers from the Donetsk puppet state. Russian sources reported that after nearly a year of fighting, the Donetsk Peoples Reublic Army Corps, integrated into the Russian military as the 8th combined arms army, had been completely depleted and almost entirely eradicated during the battle for Toretsk, exposing gaps in the Russian line.

The Russian defenses here are the weakest, with insufficient numbers, made up of unmotivated Russian conscripts scattered in the basements of one-story residential houses. As the Russian lines in Toretsk crumbled, with Ukrainians securing more ground, the Russian forces started panicking in fear of a total frontline collapse and a Ukrainian breakthrough. For this reason, they decided to deploy elements of the 150th Motorized Rifle Division to reinforce their defenses in the city. Units of the 150th Motorized Rifle Division have been engaged since the beginning of the war, with their most recent deployment being at the Pokrovsk direction, where they sustained severe losses in manpower and equipment. Their deployment for urban fighting in Toretsk means they will sustain even heavier losses, as this Russian contingent of forces had already depleted its combat capabilities in Pokrovsk.

Overall, the Russian defenses in Toretsk keep crumbling with continued Ukrainian territorial gains and desperate attempts of the Russian command to salvage the situation. The deployed Russian reinforcements are inadequate for countering the Ukrainian advance, as they consist of already depleted forces, which will result in fragmented Russian operations at Toretsk. This will allow the Ukrainians to maintain the tactical initiative, tightening the noose around the Russian-controlled center of Toretsk.

With Russian reserves committed to Kursk, and no other reserves available, the Russians can only counter this by drawing units from other areas of the front, weakening those in turn. The Russian front is an increasingly thin shell.....


https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/03...ussian-defenses-crumble-after-9-month-battle/

 

[ty990471]

As all the people supporting Trump are showing is that supporting them with equipment and money IS actually putting our skin in the game. The argument that somehow we need to go participate in the defense of Ukraine is the only real way of demonstrating that is idiotic.

I support Ukraine defending themselves against their invader, who is only doing so because of imperialism and who is actively kidnapping Ukranian children.

Again, is it your view that no amount of US debt spending is too much? $500 billion? A trillion? How much debt should our children and grandchildren be saddled with to continue Ukraine's stalemate with Russia?

The real world requires choices to be made. Many American families face tough choices every time they go to the grocery store. The price of deficit spending is inflation. Left unchecked, it leads to hyperinflation and the devaluing of currency in ways that destroy nations.

The choice isn't "defend Ukraine" or "don't defend Ukraine." The question is "how much sacrifice to demand of Americans to defend borders established in the 1990s?" $150 billion wasn't enough to prevent Russia from seizing tens of thousands of square miles of territory in Ukraine. How many billions would be required to win that territory back?

I specified Eastern Europe and gave examples of Putin / Russia undermining the rest of Europe, etc.

Also:

You really are one clueless uninformed fuckwit. (or another sea lion).

Yeah, it was “newsy”:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...e-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/



Hope that ^ helps.





Slava Ukraini!!!

Yes, we all know Putin thinks Ukraine should be part of Russia, which is what your linked article says. You claimed Putin plans to invade Europe (or at least Eastern Europe. ) The article you linked to says nothing of the sort.

Putin may have plans to invade New Zealand, but he's neither suggested that he will nor has any logical reason to do so. You don't have to agree with the justification for the invasion of Ukraine that he provided to Carlson, but Putin seems to believe it. That rationale is inapplicable to any NATO country.

It also makes no sense. Russia clearly lacks capacity to go to war with NATO. Whatever you think of Putin, he's not a fool. Hitler has good reason to believe Germany could conquer and hold Europe militarily. If he'd avoided war with Russia, he might have been right. Putin has no reason at all to believe he could attack a NATO country. This is true regardless of what happens in Ukraine.

You can passionately support Ukraine all you want. Personally, I don't want any more tax dollars to go to Ukraine. Ukraine has oil, gas and mineral which they should be using to pay for their own defense. It isn't the responsibility of America's children to fund a stalemate with Russia in a country 6000 miles away.

 

[ll74]

Again, is it your view that no amount of US debt spending is too much? $500 billion? A trillion? How much debt should our children and grandchildren be saddled with to continue Ukraine's stalemate with Russia?

As much as we can stomach. We may not be able to spend much more money, but we absolutely should provide intelligence support.

In regards to the budget, Medicaid and social security are the major drivers on the deficit

The real world requires choices to be made. Many American families face tough choices every time they go to the grocery store. The price of deficit spending is inflation. Left unchecked, it leads to hyperinflation and the devaluing of currency in ways that destroy nations.

Instability in the global supply chain leads to much more disastrous results in regards to the economy.

The choice isn't "defend Ukraine" or "don't defend Ukraine." The question is "how much sacrifice to demand of Americans to defend borders established in the 1990s?" $150 billion wasn't enough to prevent Russia from seizing tens of thousands of square miles of

The choice for Ukraine is to defend or not defend. That happens when a country is invaded. Whether we support them or not is our choice. But nobody can force them to surrender if they want to keep fighting. The majority of their country wants to keep fighting currently

 

[Lazaran]

You claimed Putin plans to invade Europe (or at least Eastern Europe. ) The article you linked to says nothing of the sort.

WRONG.

I stated that Putin made his INTENTIONS clear (to anyone with a functioning brain) about his designs on / ambitions involving Eastern Europe, as well as his desire to undermine (destabilize) the rest of Europe.

Here is my full comment that you alluded to:

“Putin certainly intends to take ALL of Ukraine (if traitors and cowards let him), and he has openly stated his intention on Europe (Eastern Europe so far, but the Russian propaganda operations that have undermined U.S. and other western democracies elections suggest grander ambitions.”





Now APOLOGIZE for LYING about what I stated.

TIA

 

[Politruk]

Irelevant to the war at this point. I'm sure that under Patel, they'll do their best to investigate this and nail Biden if it's true. To be honest, I hope they DO nail Biden on corruption. He raked in enough money

You have no reason at all to believe that.

 

[Politruk]

This old stuff was all budgeted at Replacement Cost. Let's emphasis that. REPLACEMENT COST.

We don't really need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

 

[TJX]

We don't really need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

This thinking is tremendously dangerous. No country has ever been attacked because they were to strong. There are endless examples of countries attacked because they were to weak. Ask Ukraine about that.