European Armaments Manufacturers

[ishtat]

In the past few days the stock prices of European Arms manufacturers have taken off like one of Mr Musk's rockets. Clearly, now that the Europeans have woken up to the fact that US politicians do not make reliable allies, a great deal of the materiel formerly bought from the USA will be sourced from elsewhere. France, Germany, Spain, Poland, Japan, Korea and Sweden all have significant capacity and in perhaps the unkindest cut of all Israel is already discussing the sale of a significant part of its mobile artillery kit, displacing US suppliers. The market losses for US manufacturers will initially effect Army resources most of all and in the USA a surprising amount of those resources are made in red states. US manufacturers have always been much more expensive than equipment sourced within Europe, so an early impact on US suppliers is certain. Most forecasts limit the US market losses to estimates of around B$100 in this FY but it will grow rapidly.

Interesting to see how this change is received in the USA.

 

[Buffalogurl]

In the past few days the stock prices of European Arms manufacturers have taken off like one of Mr Musk's rockets. Clearly, now that the Europeans have woken up to the fact that US politicians do not make reliable allies, a great deal of the materiel formerly bought from the USA will be sourced from elsewhere. France, Germany, Spain, Poland, Japan, Korea and Sweden all have significant capacity and in perhaps the unkindest cut of all Israel is already discussing the sale of a significant part of its mobile artillery kit, displacing US suppliers. The market losses for US manufacturers will initially effect Army resources most of all and in the USA a surprising amount of those resources are made in red states. US manufacturers have always been much more expensive than equipment sourced within Europe, so an early impact on US suppliers is certain. Most forecasts limit the US market losses to estimates of around B$100 in this FY but it will grow rapidly.

Interesting to see how this change is received in the USA.

No, this will allow all military equipment that is manufactured in the United States to be supplied to our military ... to replace the dangerous draw down of our stockpiles of military equipment due to giving Ukraine our resources that arguably will take years to fulfill.....
Also this will be interesting to observe how long, how much money and how "deep" the European union pockets are, my bet goes to this, they will bankrupt themselves pissing money away supplying the ukies..... the fact is the "common" person in the world has a belly full of war ... in short we're sick of it, all the way to our back teeth... f@#k dieing for a group of billionaires..... we bleed, we are taxed into poverty, we bury beloved family members and we suffer. All the while these fat shit bags live fat and sassy F@#k'em

 

[ShandyLeer]

No, this will allow all military equipment that is manufactured in the United States to be supplied to our military ... to replace the dangerous draw down of our stockpiles of military equipment due to giving Ukraine our resources that arguably will take years to fulfill.....
Also this will be interesting to observe how long, how much money and how "deep" the European union pockets are, my bet goes to this, they will bankrupt themselves pissing money away supplying the ukies..... the fact is the "common" person in the world has a belly full of war ... in short we're sick of it, all the way to our back teeth... f@#k dieing for a group of billionaires..... we bleed, we are taxed into poverty, we bury beloved family members and we suffer. All the while these fat shit bags live fat and sassy F@#k'em

You have stockpiles of kit to your back teeth, which is no surprise given what you spend on defence - and have given a tiny bit of it over to Ukraine. And they’ve destroyed a large part of a principal adversary’s army with what you gave. The best value you’ve ever had out of your military budget.
Your wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and the two goes at Iraq were circumstances of the Cold War era in the 3 cases, and a direct assault on American in the other 2. Fuck all to do with billionaires you sad class warrior.

 

[Politruk]

No, this will allow all military equipment that is manufactured in the United States to be supplied to our military ... to replace the dangerous draw down of our stockpiles of military equipment due to giving Ukraine our resources that arguably will take years to fulfill.....

We don't need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

 

[UltraChad]

We don't need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

Yea, especially considering we're not doing WW3 and Europe will have to police itself.

We can spend hundreds of billions on the US now, AMERICA FIRST!......I love how mad that makes democrats.

 

[Bray123]

What has come out of the Ukraine war is information about the size of the Russian stockpile. That's pretty much exhausted now; they are reduced to accepting munitions from North Korea.

Now we can assess the requirements of the US stockpile and it's probably lower than expected.

Munitions do have a 'use by' date, so what has been supplied to Ukraine is the old stuff due for disposal anyway, what is put out on GatewayPundit and other unexcellent news providers can be treated the same as what the Felonious Fraudster tells his chud supporters.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

No, this will allow all military equipment that is manufactured in the United States to be supplied to our military ... to replace the dangerous draw down of our stockpiles of military equipment due to giving Ukraine our resources that arguably will take years to fulfill.....
Also this will be interesting to observe how long, how much money and how "deep" the European union pockets are, my bet goes to this, they will bankrupt themselves pissing money away supplying the ukies..... the fact is the "common" person in the world has a belly full of war ... in short we're sick of it, all the way to our back teeth... f@#k dieing for a group of billionaires..... we bleed, we are taxed into poverty, we bury beloved family members and we suffer. All the while these fat shit bags live fat and sassy F@#k'em

I agree with you on the need to replenish our stockpiles but also welcome the European awakening to its responsibility to adequately fund its own security.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I agree with you on the need to replenish our stockpiles but also welcome the European awakening to its responsibility to adequately fund its own security.

Well it sure would have been nice if the signatory's that guaranteed Ukraine borders and freedom when they gave up their nukes would have honoured that agreement.

Then none of this would be going on....

 

[LLCox]

We don't need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

But no, it's all the non military crap that the US can get by without that the Pentagon is paying for.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Well it sure would have been nice if the signatory's that guaranteed Ukraine borders and freedom when they gave up their nukes would have honoured that agreement.

Then none of this would be going on....

They were never going to guarantee Ukraines borders and all signatories understood that. No president can make a guarantee future military commitments of that magnitude without a treaty approved by the Senate. Obama wasn’t obligated when Russia took Crimea in 2014.

 

[Buffalogurl]

We don't need to replace it. We can safely get by with a much smaller stockpile.

Yeah, OK lumpy..... take another benadryl with a couple of shots of 100 proof t-bird

 

[Hel_Books]

In the past few days the stock prices of European Arms manufacturers have taken off like one of Mr Musk's rockets. Clearly, now that the Europeans have woken up to the fact that US politicians do not make reliable allies, a great deal of the materiel formerly bought from the USA will be sourced from elsewhere. France, Germany, Spain, Poland, Japan, Korea and Sweden all have significant capacity and in perhaps the unkindest cut of all Israel is already discussing the sale of a significant part of its mobile artillery kit, displacing US suppliers. The market losses for US manufacturers will initially effect Army resources most of all and in the USA a surprising amount of those resources are made in red states. US manufacturers have always been much more expensive than equipment sourced within Europe, so an early impact on US suppliers is certain. Most forecasts limit the US market losses to estimates of around B$100 in this FY but it will grow rapidly.

Interesting to see how this change is received in the USA.

Here is a quote from https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/16/ukraine-russia-war-drone-warfare-china/

"One company dominates the market. In early 2013, Chinese drone hobby company DJI released the Phantom 1, one of the first out-of-the-box consumer drones that a total novice could use to take aerial photos. Today, DJI is the overwhelming global king of the consumer-drone market, selling extremely affordable, sophisticated, and easy-to-use products that are useful for everything from construction mapping to filmmaking—whose positive attributes tend to overshadow ongoing controversies about just how secure these Chinese-made drones really are. And much to DJI’s irritation, the affordability and accessibility that make their drones so appealing to civilians are also very attractive to soldiers.

Per my database, DJI drones are by far the most popular drones in the Ukraine war, used (and demanded) by fighters far more than any other drone type: Out of the 463 drone incident entries in which I could positively identify the drone being used, it was a DJI product 59 percent of the time. DJI’s foldable, lightweight, and widely available Mavic model has become so beloved that in August 2022, Yuri Baluyevsky, former chief of the general staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, went so far as to call it a “a true symbol of modern warfare,” prompting a fierce, fruitless pushback from both Chinese social media users and DJI itself."

 

[Buffalogurl]

Here is a quote from https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/16/ukraine-russia-war-drone-warfare-china/

"One company dominates the market. In early 2013, Chinese drone hobby company DJI released the Phantom 1, one of the first out-of-the-box consumer drones that a total novice could use to take aerial photos. Today, DJI is the overwhelming global king of the consumer-drone market, selling extremely affordable, sophisticated, and easy-to-use products that are useful for everything from construction mapping to filmmaking—whose positive attributes tend to overshadow ongoing controversies about just how secure these Chinese-made drones really are. And much to DJI’s irritation, the affordability and accessibility that make their drones so appealing to civilians are also very attractive to soldiers.

Per my database, DJI drones are by far the most popular drones in the Ukraine war, used (and demanded) by fighters far more than any other drone type: Out of the 463 drone incident entries in which I could positively identify the drone being used, it was a DJI product 59 percent of the time. DJI’s foldable, lightweight, and widely available Mavic model has become so beloved that in August 2022, Yuri Baluyevsky, former chief of the general staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, went so far as to call it a “a true symbol of modern warfare,” prompting a fierce, fruitless pushback from both Chinese social media users and DJI itself."

I fly a dji Mavic, they are truly an amazing machine and the video quality is bar none the best bang for the buck...
Ps a few of the club members modified drones will clock 100 mph.... f@#kig fast...

 

[Rightguide]

In the past few days the stock prices of European Arms manufacturers have taken off like one of Mr Musk's rockets. Clearly, now that the Europeans have woken up to the fact that US politicians do not make reliable allies, a great deal of the materiel formerly bought from the USA will be sourced from elsewhere. France, Germany, Spain, Poland, Japan, Korea and Sweden all have significant capacity and in perhaps the unkindest cut of all Israel is already discussing the sale of a significant part of its mobile artillery kit, displacing US suppliers. The market losses for US manufacturers will initially effect Army resources most of all and in the USA a surprising amount of those resources are made in red states. US manufacturers have always been much more expensive than equipment sourced within Europe, so an early impact on US suppliers is certain. Most forecasts limit the US market losses to estimates of around B$100 in this FY but it will grow rapidly.

Interesting to see how this change is received in the USA.

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years. We are the reason why Europe has had the longest period of peace in its recorded history.

 

[ll74]

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years. We are the reason why Europe has had the longest period of peace in its recorded history.

NATO allies have also been reliable for 80 years.

You're a fuckhead for believing otherwise. The majority of our intelligence comes from their agencies. The majority of their troops have stood with us when we called upon them.

Your comments are just as dishonorable and disgraceful as your God guy

 

[Politruk]

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years.

That's all over now. No one but Putin can rely on Trump -- no one in the world, including the U.S.

 

[Cogan]

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years. We are the reason why Europe has had the longest period of peace in its recorded history.

Even Swedish army stood up for you after 9/11. We had soldiers in Afghanistan working with NATO and we were not a member at the time!
No wonder we feel a bit like fools now when USA threaten to screw us big time with a shitty deal (for us that stood up for USA before) with Russia.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

They were never going to guarantee Ukraines borders and all signatories understood that. No president can make a guarantee future military commitments of that magnitude without a treaty approved by the Senate. Obama wasn’t obligated when Russia took Crimea in 2014.

See there you go, the word of the US on paper is worth fuck all, so I guess the rest of the world doesn't bother honouring any more treaties either....right?
*chuckles* You guys are fucked, you just don't know it yet.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

See there you go, the word of the US on paper is worth fuck all, so I guess the rest of the world doesn't bother honouring any more treaties either....right?
*chuckles* You guys are fucked, you just don't know it yet.

There were no security guarantees and it wasn’t a treaty. Here is the text from the Budapest Memorandum signed by the US, Russia, & UK.
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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coerciondesigned to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereigntyand thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[13]

 

[ll74]

There were no security guarantees and it wasn’t a treaty. Here is the text from the Budapest Memorandum signed by the US, Russia, & UK.
—————————-

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coerciondesigned to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereigntyand thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[13]

Russia broke the deal.

As they did the Minsk accords.

Russia is worse than the US in promises kept.

Though we actually aren't threatening consistently to invade Ukraine either

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Russia broke the deal.

As they did the Minsk accords.

Russia is worse than the US in promises kept.

Though we actually aren't threatening consistently to invade Ukraine either

Obviously Russia broke “the deal” by taking Crimea in 2014 and again by invading in 2022. That’s why it’s important to look at exactly what “the deal” says, and what kind of teeth it had. The US & UK didn’t guarantee Ukraine security.

 

[ll74]

Obviously Russia broke “the deal” by taking Crimea in 2014 and again by invading in 2022. That’s why it’s important to look at exactly what “the deal” says, and what kind of teeth it had. The US & UK didn’t guarantee Ukraine security.

All parties assured ro Ukraine security

 

[ShandyLeer]

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years. We are the reason why Europe has had the longest period of peace in its recorded history.

MAD and Article 5 is the reason for the peace - these the very things the President is bringing into doubt.

 

[UltraChad]

See there you go, the word of the US on paper is worth fuck all,

Then why is almost everyone in the western world so fucking mad we aren't we aren't doing WW3 for their entertainment??

so I guess the rest of the world doesn't bother honouring any more treaties either....right?

You really want to play THAT game? LOL go ahead......they were for everyone else's benefit anyhow, the US voter would LOVE to save TRILLIONS of dollars on people who fucking hate us.

*chuckles* You guys are fucked, you just don't know it yet.

How?? We aren't the ones left broke and unarmed.

 

[ishtat]

Americans have been reliable allies for over 80 years. We are the reason why Europe has had the longest period of peace in its recorded history.

America has asked for European military support on countless occasions and has generally received it, leaving thousands of allied casualties as evidence of that commitment. Name a single instance in that 80 years where the USA has said yes to a request for direct troop support. Europeans have great respect for the American people and military, but absolutely none for American political leadership (of all parties)