Never say "the left" when you mean "the Democrats"

[Politruk]

Still a loser who never did shit just like most lefties.

Oh, Allende did a lot!

 

[UltraChad]

Oh, Allende did a lot!

Not really, that's why that country is not taken very seriously and has GDP smaller than the suburb of most US cities.

Lefties are BAD at economic prosperity. Because you guys hate and attack it every chance you get.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Forced to choose between Nazi cooperation and communist resistance, many ostensibly liberal WWII democracies turned to fascism.

Liberalism consistently prefers fascism over genuine social equality. This relates directly to fascism’s gains in the US and globally.

Germany’s Die Welt and the US’ NYT decry viler anti-immigration outbursts, while far-right agenda items are routinely printed, absorbed and legitimized in the name of "balance." Even the most modest proposals for economic justice are vilified as radical and dangerous.

As the sole tendency opposed to fascism is monitored, infiltrated and disrupted, fascism itself is generally left to percolate on its own.

That pattern repeats across Europe, in the US and elsewhere because it is class policy.

Alleged ‘liberal’ democracies [but especially the US] have backed authoritarian regimes numerous times IF their policies aligned with corporate and US strategic demands.

Our key ally, the Saudi kingdom, is arguably the most reactionary regime on earth. US policies have created mass graves in the global South. And who, if not the US, trained the police in those banana republics?

These ‘liberal’ and ‘social “democrats”’ who preach democracy and human rights gave unstinted political cover and military support for the genocide of Palestinian civilians, the deliberate destruction of hospitals, schools, and refugee camps, and designed the starvation of 2.3 million people in Gaza.

‘Liberalism’ is a thin, progressive varnish painted over imperial interventionism. Nov. ’24 stripped that and exposed the naked bankruptcy of so-called ‘social democracy.’

Social democrats would sooner fascism triumph than see capitalism dismantled. As much as conservatives, social democrats will ever choose power over justice, property over people, and privilege over equality.

Having appealed to GOP decency[?] and for a robust Republican Party, Biden could make no appeal to the working class. Socialist democrats are trapped in their own social class contradictions. The dominant ideology collapses, the working class has no way forward of its own. Fascists enter the vacuum. The petit bourgeois social democrats proclaim helplessness as they work to preserve order at all costs.

 

[UltraChad]

Liberalism consistently prefers fascism over genuine social equality.

No, liberalism consistently rejects authoritarianism which disqualifies both.

Reality prefers fascism....because genuine social equality is not a realistic ideal. Even bees and ant hives have hierarchy....nature even at it's most collectivist and egalitarian is STILL hierarchical. "Genuine social equality" is a delusional leftist pie in the sky.

 

[Rightguide]

There are many counterexamples of leftists in power -- Salvador Allende, for instance, or Clement Attlee, or Francois Mitterand -- good small-d democrats all.

Your leftist party is near collapse.

 

[Politruk]

Forced to choose between Nazi cooperation and communist resistance, many ostensibly liberal WWII democracies turned to fascism.

Liberalism consistently prefers fascism over genuine social equality. This relates directly to fascism’s gains in the US and globally.

Germany’s Die Welt and the US’ NYT decry viler anti-immigration outbursts, while far-right agenda items are routinely printed, absorbed and legitimized in the name of "balance." Even the most modest proposals for economic justice are vilified as radical and dangerous.

As the sole tendency opposed to fascism is monitored, infiltrated and disrupted, fascism itself is generally left to percolate on its own.

That pattern repeats across Europe, in the US and elsewhere because it is class policy.

Alleged ‘liberal’ democracies [but especially the US] have backed authoritarian regimes numerous times IF their policies aligned with corporate and US strategic demands.

Our key ally, the Saudi kingdom, is arguably the most reactionary regime on earth. US policies have created mass graves in the global South. And who, if not the US, trained the police in those banana republics?

These ‘liberal’ and ‘social “democrats”’ who preach democracy and human rights gave unstinted political cover and military support for the genocide of Palestinian civilians, the deliberate destruction of hospitals, schools, and refugee camps, and designed the starvation of 2.3 million people in Gaza.

‘Liberalism’ is a thin, progressive varnish painted over imperial interventionism. Nov. ’24 stripped that and exposed the naked bankruptcy of so-called ‘social democracy.’

Social democrats would sooner fascism triumph than see capitalism dismantled. As much as conservatives, social democrats will ever choose power over justice, property over people, and privilege over equality.

Having appealed to GOP decency[?] and for a robust Republican Party, Biden could make no appeal to the working class. Socialist democrats are trapped in their own social class contradictions. The dominant ideology collapses, the working class has no way forward of its own. Fascists enter the vacuum. The petit bourgeois social democrats proclaim helplessness as they work to preserve order at all costs.

See?! ^^^^^ That's the left. ^^^^^ Is H_S talking at all like a Democrat?!

 

[UltraChad]

See?! ^^^^^ That's the left. ^^^^^ Is H_S talking at all like a Democrat?!

That's the left YOU like.

Politruk's personal FEE FEES don't define the left.

 

[Politruk]

That's the left YOU like.

Politruk's personal FEE FEES don't define the left.

No, it isn't. I'm a social democrat, not a Marxist. I'm a social democrat because social democracy visibly works better than anything else that has yet been tried, including the American version of capitalism, and that's enough -- who needs a systematic ideology?

 

[UltraChad]

No, it isn't. I'm a social democrat, not a Marxist.

So you vote for it instead of slaughtering for it.

Same shit though.

I'm a social democrat because social democracy visibly works better than anything else that has yet been tried, including the American version of capitalism, and that's enough

Nope. And it's literally destroying America to try it.

-- who needs a systematic ideology?

Leftoids.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

That's the left YOU like.

That's the left YOU like.

Politruk's personal FEE FEES don't define the left.

Actually, Politruk has ‘poo-hooed’ and denied the possibility of genuinely proletarian class consciousness so frequently, I scarcely reply to it now.

But thinking I belong in the Democratic Party?! By the gods—do you see a difference between Genghis Khan and the Pope?

 

[Politruk]

By the gods—do you see a difference between Genghis Khan and the Pope?

The Pope wears a funnier hat.

 

[UltraChad]

Actually, Politruk has ‘poo-hooed’ and denied the possibility of genuinely proletarian class consciousness so frequently, I scarcely reply to it now.

But thinking I belong in the Democratic Party?! By the gods—do you see a difference between Genghis Khan and the Pope?

Yea commie scum votes Democrat too.....

 

[Holy_Seduction]

votes Democrat

Not guilty! Never done that. Not once.

 

[UltraChad]

Not guilty! Never done that. Not once.

LOL ok...

 

[Politruk]

Yea commie scum votes Democrat too.....

Klansmen vote Republican. At least getting the Commie vote is nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[UltraChad]

Klansmen vote Republican. At least getting the Commie vote is nothing to be ashamed of.

No, those are Democrats too.

And it really is though. Nazis have less to be ashamed of than progressive leftist.

 

[Politruk]

No, those are Democrats too.

And it really is though. Nazis have less to be ashamed of than progressive leftist.

That is not just a lie, it is a complete inversion of all moral values.

 

[UltraChad]

That is not just a lie, it is a complete inversion of all moral values.

Nope.....same moral values, just different targets.

 

[Politruk]

Nope.....same moral values, just different targets.

Progressive leftists target no one for genocide and do not approve of military aggression. (For the record, Ukraine has never since 1990 engaged in military aggression.)

 

[UltraChad]

Progressive leftists target no one for genocide

White and white enough males who DARE think they have human rights. How DARE they.

and do not approve of military aggression.

Unless in Ukraine or Gaza then ya'll can't beat the war drums hard enough.

 

[lovecraft68]

I get the distinction. To me "the left" is the progressives, the insane faction of democrats that don't represent what moderate democrats are like.

The problem is that the standard dems have kowtowed to these lunatics to the point many people think the left is just simply the left. When the senator from Mass expressed his concern about men being in his daughter's sports, its a legit concern expressed by a parent, but he was immediately attacked and shouted down because god forbid they defy the morons like AOC and her ilk. So, until they decide to stand their ground and quell the dipshits, they will be assocaited with them.

Now, on the other hand if I said "Don't call all Republicans Magas or the 'right" for the same reasons, I'm sure he OP and his like minded kind will have a very different tone and squeal "No, that's only true for us, reeeeeee"

Hence, the problem.

 

[Politruk]

I get the distinction. To me "the left" is the progressives, the insane faction of democrats that don't represent what moderate democrats are like.

"Progressive" is something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist."

It works like this:

The radicals blaze a trail and cut a clearing.

The progressives build the cabins.

The liberals move in after the showers have been installed.

 

[Politruk]

White and white enough males who DARE think they have human rights. How DARE they.

That bullshit again?!

Unless in Ukraine or Gaza then ya'll can't beat the war drums hard enough.

Progressives do not approve of Russia's military aggression, nor of Israel's.

 

[Politruk]

Now, on the other hand if I said "Don't call all Republicans Magas or the 'right" for the same reasons, I'm sure he OP and his like minded kind will have a very different tone and squeal "No, that's only true for us, reeeeeee"

I used to be able to differentiate different shades of conservatism -- back when such existed. Now it's all populist nationalists and Christian nationalists and white nationalists conglobulated together -- not even the Libertarians can be distinguished from that odious mass any more.

 

[UltraChad]

"Progressive" is something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist."

It's really not. That's why most socialist call themselves progressive.

Progressives are socialist.