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Trump fucks up again. Ukraine negotiation goes sideways

Scooterlover said:
When I was a kid the office of The President of the United States meant something. It was an honour and a solemn duty. We may not always have agreed with what they did and in the UK we might have thought some decisions were crazy but the job itself meant something.
Now all I can see is that once fine position being dragged through the mud.
I find it a sad and terrible thing. Worrying too
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Ahhh yes.....a POTUS not as self loathing and hateful of their own citizenry as the Europeans.

Very disturbing.
 

Why Didn't Zelensky Wear a Suit to Oval Office Meeting With Donald Trump?​

Republicans have heavily criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for not wearing a suit during his visit to the Oval Office on Friday—a common refrain conservative lawmakers have used during previous visits from the Ukrainian leader. However, there's a reason for why Zelensky opts for a more "casual" attire. Zelensky arrived at the White House wearing a black sweater with two buttons that featured the Ukrainian trident—a prominent element of the nation's flag and a symbol of power and authority—in addition to black cargo pants and boots. The attire, while appearing underdressed, was actually a more refined version of what Zelensky had worn during earlier visits to the United States during the Biden administration. During those visits, Zelensky wore a simple sweatshirt—also embroidered with the trident. He has worn this attire throughout the ongoing war as a show of solidarity with his soldiers who have risked their lives on the frontline.

There's a lot more to it than this, as Illia Ponomarenko has commented, and I'm going repost his comments on this below:


FYI, Zelensky’s semi-military official attire represents a very, very important aspect of life in Ukraine right now—tactical clothing and various gear that is worn by everyone who has any connection to the war and combat operations. Over the years of war, an entire subculture of tactical clothing has developed in Ukraine, along with popular domestic brands such as M-Tac or Talan, and at times, we have as many military surplus stores as shawarma stands (often owned and run by veterans). Pants, T-shirts with Velcro patches for insignia, jackets with multiple pockets, tactical backpacks, caps, knives, boots—demi-season, summer, winter—ballistic glasses, gloves, multitools, all kinds of accessories for body armor, weapons, and gear. Black, gray, olive, navy, coyote, every possible camouflage pattern, and everything else. You could go on forever.

The culture of military patches, both official and unofficial, where there’s space for the wildest imagination and exercises in wit, is a whole separate topic, worthy of thick books. Many soldiers are constantly buying extra gear to supplement or replace the standard-issue military clothing and equipment provided by the state. Many newly mobilized recruits rush to military stores and buy everything they see, even if they are drafted as accountants, only to later realize they have no idea what to do with piles of tactical gloves and night vision devices. Tactical clothing is also worn by journalists, demobilized veterans, instructors, volunteers—many people involved in the war, supporting the army, and working in the combat zone.

Yours truly, for example, has not parted for years—from the days of the "ATO" in Donbas to the battle for Bakhmut—with my black "police-style" jacket worn under body armor, as well as black tactical pants, a backpack, and M-Tac coyote boots. They were with me even in the rainy equatorial forests of East Africa. It’s not just incredibly practical, it’s also a statement—I'm not a soldier, but I am part of the common cause of defending the country from the aggressor, of saving our nation and our way of life, and I am making my contribution.

Here’s an example: at the start of the battle for Kyiv, when Russian troops were already storming the outskirts of the capital, many who remained in the city were preparing for bloody urban combat. And many were stocking up on tactical clothing and gear (just because you're in a battle doesn't mean you shouldn't look fabulous and well-equipped, right?). I was among them—and when I arrived at one of the major tactical stores still operating in the city, I was taken aback because I found a line stretching half a kilometer long.

This is an important aspect of life in Ukraine, visible every day in cities across the country. It’s also important to buy from Ukrainian brands, supporting veteran-owned businesses, as well as to wear national symbols—such as the Tryzub of Prince Volodymyr the Great. One crucial rule—civilians (unless they are demobilized veterans) have no moral right to buy and wear camouflage clothing, whether it’s Multicam or our Ukrainian military patterns like the army’s "pixel." In this community, it is considered immoral and unacceptable. Camouflage is a mark of honor for a soldier. Want to wear it? Take the oath and join the military. But if, for example, a civilian involved in the war effort wears tactical clothing in black, gray, dark blue, olive, or beige—there’s no issue. It’s practical, and it fits the times.

This is exactly what Zelensky does when he meets world leaders in front of the cameras in semi-military tactical attire. He represents a fighting Ukraine, where millions of people are not just serving in the armed forces but also contributing to the country’s defense for the sake of a common future in their homeland. And Zelensky does it the right way—he deliberately avoids wearing an official military uniform or camouflage, which other politicians have shamelessly and absurdly used for self-promotion. Yes, he is the Commander-in-Chief, but he is not a soldier, and even he does not have the moral right to wear camouflage, which is sacred, because it is in that uniform that Ukrainian soldiers shed their blood for our country and heroically fight against one of the largest and most ruthless armies in history.

All of this is far beyond and far greater than those petty, sneering giggles "Do you even have a suit?"

Heroyam Slava.

Disclaimer: I have my own little Tryzub hoodie and t-shirt, matching black tac-pants and my own M-TAC winter boots. LOL. Very comfortable. I got the t-shirt and hoodie from Saint Javelin https://www.saintjavelin.com/

If it's good enough to wear to meet King Charles, it's good enough to wear to meet the President of some American Banana Republic
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Translation of thread title: Trump delivers a diplomatic masterstroke on Ukraine, the European Union, and NATO initiating a stunning new world order. Eric craps pants.
 
Rightguide said:
Translation of thread title: Trump delivers a diplomatic masterstroke on Ukraine, the European Union, and NATO initiating a stunning new world order. Eric craps pants.
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Trump has aligned America with the evil empires. For the first time in our history we are the bad guys in the world.
 

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal​

By
Michael Goodwin
Published March 1, 2025, 9:27 p.m. ET

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.
Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting President Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal that the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.
He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opini...a-cliff-with-pressure-to-reject-mineral-deal/

Democrats were behind the Oval Office failure in between Trump and Zelensky. Trump should investigate them and charge them under two Federal statutes. They violated the Logan Act and failed to register as foreign agents.
 
Rightguide said:

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal​

By
Michael Goodwin
Published March 1, 2025, 9:27 p.m. ET

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.
Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting President Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal that the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.
He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opini...a-cliff-with-pressure-to-reject-mineral-deal/

Democrats were behind the Oval Office failure in between Trump and Zelensky. Trump should investigate them and charge them under two Federal statutes. They violated the Logan Act and failed to register as foreign agents.
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No they weren't. Zelensky told him the conditions that Ukraine was willing to accept.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Wanting peace makes us a bad guy??
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Being a racist makes you a bad guy:

icanhelp1 said:
I wonder if it's all those black daddies living by the 4 fs ( find them, feel them, fuck them, forget them ).
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Post in thread 'The real badbabysitter finally revealed..' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-real-badbabysitter-finally-revealed.1504564/post-90980000

icanhelp1 said:
blacks have a higher propensity of violence than all races combined.
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Post in thread 'If America Is Racist, Why Have Millions of Blacks Emigrated Here?' https://forum.literotica.com/thread...f-blacks-emigrated-here.1547263/post-93907526

icanhelp1 said:
I find that African Americans are more racist than white folks...I wouldn’t even think of walking a predominately black neighborhood, wouldn’t end well.
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Post in thread 'White Officers in Minority Communities' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/white-officers-in-minority-communities.1525284/post-92435953
 
icanhelp1 said:
Wanting peace makes us a bad guy??
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This you?

icanhelp1 said:
I question our preparedness to respond to article 5

This was my final comment after corrections

If the US and NATO stand by and let Putin starve out millions of Ukrainians that will be a dark day in our history. We as a nation will have to live in shame for not responding to crimes against humanity. This is so similar to 1939, it didn't fair well back then and it won't today. No one wants nuclear escalation but this carnage has accelerated beyond NATO and Russian borders to the very existence of mankind and what we will accept as humans. There comes a point that standing up to evil is the only choice we have.

All the western leaders holding nuclear capability need to, IN UNISON, issue an ultimatum to Putin that an attack on humanitarian or weapons aid will be considered an attack on NATO and will result with a severe retaliation and Biden needs to be the face of that ultimatum. Need to make it very very clear to Putin that any escalation will result in the possible destruction of Russia and put a target on Putin himself. We should be prepared to mine Black sea ports and to station an enhanced armored brigade with all the appropriate ancillary attached and detached units in Odesa along with AWACS, F-22s and F-35s

Ukraine is not a member of NATO but they are a member of the Human Race.

Need to warn Putin that his 16,000 mercenaries from Syria will be an escalation and will result in a no fly zone and we will take out those mercenaries.

We don't need to draw a red line, what we need to do is accelerate responses as needed and keep Putin guessing. If Putin launches a tac nuke then we should scramble an F-22, lob a b-61A12 right over the same area or over the Black sea. This is more than about borders, there's a moral question here. Putin is a larger version of Slobodan Milosevic

Biden should be quietly putting our units in an advanced state of readiness and moving things around.

I guess I'm crazy.
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BabyBoomer50s said:
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Indeed - let's have a look:

BabyBoomer50s calling others "racist":

BabyBoomer50s said:
Keep defending your jew-hating pals you racist POS.
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https://forum.literotica.com/threads/israel-hamas-pb-tribal-fight.1596886/post-98830842


BabyBoomer50s said:
Like many progressive Democrats, she is an unhinged racist.
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https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-racist-comments-galore.1603711/post-98279471


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BabyBoomer50s being racist:

BabyBoomer50s said:
[Elizabeth Holms riots] Geez, the case hasn’t even gone to the jury and the rioters in CA are already looting the high end fashion stores. If the verdict goes the wrong way the streets of Walnut Creek, San Francisco, and LA could be filled with blondes in black turtlenecks. Not even going to guess how this would all go down if she were black.
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https://forum.literotica.com/threads/elizabeth-holmes-riots.1556275/
 
Bn2f said:
This you?
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Yup! At the beginning of Putin's invasion I also wrote "in for the penny in for the pound". Why don't you research some of my other earlier post. I was a strong proponent of a direct NATO faceoff with Putin, Giving Putin an ultimatum. I was convinced we could not allow another Obama type response to Russia. I also wrote we should have responded with overwhelming NATO force. Biden dragged his feet, NATO failed to provide maximum push back at that time where Russian troops would have been decimated, similar to the Iraqi highway of hell.
 
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