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Rightguide said:

The Embassy​

How NATO Helped Seal Ukraine’s Defeat Against Russia​

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Daniel Davis
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https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/how-nato-helped-seal-ukraines-defeat-against-russia/#

The NATO Dilemma for Ukraine: On February 25, 2022, one day after Russian troops invaded Ukraine, President Biden declared that “Putin’s aggression against Ukraine will end up costing Russia dearly — economically and strategically. We will make sure of that.” When the war is over and its history written, Biden concluded, “Putin’s choice to make a totally unjustifiable war on Ukraine will have left Russia weaker and the rest of the world stronger.”

Three years later, with Biden off the world stage following his defeat in last year’s presidential election, Putin and Russia are poised to win the war against Ukraine, despite the massive support given by the U.S. and NATO, and will end in a much stronger position.

How could this be? After the United States and Europe gave such extraordinary amounts of money and machines to Ukraine, after 40 nations assembled to support Ukraine against Russia, how could Ukraine have failed to win and how could Russia gotten stronger? Though there are a number of practical reasons, the core reason for this failure is as embarrassing as it is alarming: NATO bases its policies on a narrative while Russia based its policies on ground truth realities.

Lesson number 1 that NATO and the U.S. needs to learn is that wars don’t give a damn about your morality or values. In the minds of most European leaders and establishment figures in the United States, Ukraine was and remains in the moral right; in their rendering, Russia is evil and abhorrent. Russia, therefore, must lose and Ukraine must win, based solely on the mental construct that Russia = evil and Ukraine = good. Yet while European and American establishment figures and mainstream media live in that space, bombs, bullets, and bayonets could care less.

More here: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/how-nato-helped-seal-ukraines-defeat-against-russia/
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It's nowhere near as bleak as the article portrays, but he's right in that many leaders of western countries seem to think the good guys will win based on "we're the good guys." Trudeau being a case in point of being mostly talk and very little do.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...gns/canadian-military-support-to-ukraine.html

1 x NASAMS system
40,000 x 155mm shells - a week's supply.
Tanks - 8 Leopard 2's and 1 recovery tank (Canada still has 54 old Leopards)
4 x M777 howitzers and 10 barrels
200 Roshel Senators
39 armored combat support vehicles (ACVS),
50 armoured vehicles (2023-2025), a portion of which includes armoured medical evacuation vehicles.
Sept 2024 - Canada will donate 29 M113 chassis and 64 Coyote chassis to Ukraine from CAF inventory. These are retired. From 2022 to 2024 they sat there, being talked about. No work done to resusitate them.

Trudeau just announced 25 LAV III's. Taken from the 650 Canada has.

There's some other bits and pieces but that's it. So yeah, Canada is all talk and no delivery. What could they do? Send all the fucking Leopards. Ukraine could at least use them for parts and probably kluge a few workable ones from them. They ARE sending more Senators and Roshel is building a plant in Ukraine but that's long term. And they're really just armored battle taxis, useful, but not IFV's which is what Ukraine REALLY needs aling with artillery ammo and air defences

LAV III's are pretty useful but 25 are a drop in the bucket. Canada BUILDS them. Send 250 FFS. Enough to be useful. Canada can replace them. 25 is a token, and that's what Canada is doing. Sending "feel good" tokens. Trudeau and Canada are a prime example of what the author of this article is talking about.

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Baltic States - they understand, and they are stripping the cupboard bare to support Ukraine. Finland just assigned Eu700,000,000 to build new equipment for Ukraine. Netherlands and Denmark are building a couple of hundred CV90 IFV's at $10,000,000 a pop. May take a while but THAT is helping. Going back to Canada, GM Canada builds LAV's. Why the fuck is Canada not already rolling new ones of the production line and shipping them to Ukraine. The only enemy they face right now is the USA and if Trump invades, they're toast anyhow. So yeah, send 250 LAVIII's today and replace them. But no, Trudeau is a do nothing feel-good weasal wording dick.

Heck, they could buy old Bradleys from the USA, fix 'em up and ship 'em out. They could have started that three years ago. They could do it tomorrow. But nope. That said, a lot of European countries seem to have finally clued in, esp. Germany, and the Nordic/Baltics, and the UK to a certain extent, as well as the Netherlands, France and Poland. So no, not anywhere near as bad as the article's author says. Altho why they heck they aren't fronting up cash to buy old Bradley's I have no idea. Same with old F16's - just buy the damn things - Trump is likely way more open to cash sales than Biden was.

And as for Mirage 2000's - France should be lining up more. Qatar has 12 of them up for sale. Greece has 17 old ones that were retired in 2021. Buy 'em back.
Tanks - 400 odd early model Challenger 1's - UK should buy them back (they were gifted free to Jordan, so the UK could probably get them back the same way), do a few mods and ship em to Ukraine. Now THAT would be useful. Ineptitude and lack of political will, that's what this is.
 
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This one is good news. Those guided glide bombs were one of the most effective weapons Russia had. Without those being accurate, Russia has taken one more hit.

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Another big step towards Ukrainian self-sufficiency. NASAMS ammunition manufacturer plans to open plant in Ukraine

Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace, which produces ammunition for NASAMS air defense systems, is working on creating a joint production facility in Ukraine, said company president Eirik Lie. “We are now establishing a company in Ukraine. We are in close discussion with industry in Ukraine to establish a joint venture. The first priority is to increase missile production for our air defence system in Ukraine, based on Ukrainian technology. We are talking about the mass production of missiles, meaning hundreds. We are looking at establishing the joint ventures within months,” Lie said in an interview with Euractiv.

He noted that the work is being carried out with a view to long-term partnership. “At Kongsberg, we want to utilise the strength of Ukraine’s industry. In the long term, when the war is over, Ukraine can be part of the supply chain providing missiles for air defence systems,” Lie said.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/1051778.html
 
Well. Anyone who still expects the Russian Army to win after reading this is delusional.....

A National Guard soldier from the 4th Force of Freedom Battalion captured six russian invaders on his own. The Ukrainian soldier, carrying a firearm and armed with grenades, began throwing them at an enemy dugout, where six armed russian occupiers were located. The occupiers couldn't raise their heads due to the constant shooting and explosions and tried to shield themselves from bullet fragments with whatever they had. Unwilling to fight, they began shouting that they wanted to surrender. After that, they were told to come out of the shelter unarmed. After leaving the dugout, Russian soldiers were disarmed and escorted toward Ukrainian positions.

Later, when they arrived at the Ukrainian positions, the prisoners received medical care, and were fed. They also told that they had been left without support. It became known that russian invaders had not undergone appropriate military training. As one of them noted, they gave the salaries to their commanders. It should be noted that recently, the Defense Forces of Ukraine have increasingly been capturing occupiers, whom the command uses as human shields. This applies not only to healthy soldiers but also to the wounded.

We're going to be seeing more and more of this - no training - no support - their pay going to their "officers". The ZSU is starting to chew up more and more little groups like this along the front. When you put trained and motivated soldiers up against untrained "off the street" mobiks who don't want to be there, it starts to get one-sided quite quickly.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/sing...ptures_six_russian_occupiers_video-13678.html

 
Another Ukrainian oil refinery drone strike. On the night of February 26, Ukrainian forces successfully struck key russian military and energy infrastructure, targeting the Tuapse oil refinery and two airfields in temporarily occupied Crimea. The operation, confirmed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, was executed using drones and involved multiple branches of Ukraine’s military, including the Unmanned Systems Forces and the Defense Intelligence. The three confirmed targets struck on February 26 were:
  • the Saky military air base (temporarily occupied Crimea);
  • the Kacha military airfield (temporarily occupied Crimea);
  • the Tuapse oil refinery (Krasnodar region).
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukra...fields_in_coordinated_drone_attack-13663.html
 
ChloeTzang said:
It's nowhere near as bleak as the article portrays, but he's right in that many leaders of western countries seem to think the good guys will win based on "we're the good guys." Trudeau being a case in point of being mostly talk and very little do.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...gns/canadian-military-support-to-ukraine.html
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FTR, Canada has donated, between Military aid and Humanitarian aid 19.7 Billion. The US has donated 65.9 Billion in Military aid and 112 Billion in Humanitarian aid.

On a per capita basis that is about equal.
 
Rightguide said:
Biden concluded, “Putin’s choice to make a totally unjustifiable war on Ukraine will have left Russia weaker and the rest of the world stronger.”
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This is true.
Rightguide said:
Three years later...Putin and Russia are poised to win the war against Ukraine, despite the massive support given by the U.S. and NATO, and will end in a much stronger position.
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This is not true.

But brah, I would like to know the weed he's smoking, cuz wow that's some crazy azz shizz
 
I just witnessed quite possibly the most embarrassing exchange between a U.S. President, a VP, and a foreign leader (Zelensky).

Any American with an I.Q. of higher than potato and a grade-school education will blush at this garbage. Video forthcoming... :rolleyes:
 
How to negotiate with the most powerful leader in the world: Show up to the meeting in his office dressed like a bum. Act like you have the upper hand. Display no gratitude. Argue in front of the media in the room. Lol
 
Interesting question raised by a top White House official: How did the entire world get to see the exchange in the Oval Office without the Associated Press there?
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
Interesting question raised by a top White House official: How did the entire world get to see the exchange in the Oval Office without the Associated Press there?
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Not interesting. 47's entire mob boss mentality leads to mob like behavior in return.
 
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