Ukraine cannot outlast Russia. It's a matter of sheer size.
For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine
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Why is any weapons industry in Ukraine selling to foreigners? Don't they need all the weapons they can make for the war?
Lie.
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Suck more Putin cock
https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers
Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?
By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024Yes
Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.
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It's a wording thing that loses in the translation. Norway is funding the Ukrainian defense industry to build weapons for Ukraine. What's happened is the Ukrainian defense industries have more capacity than they have funding to buy stuff from those industries, so countries like Norway and Denmark are fronting up funding and paying Ukrainian factories to manufacture weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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That's the thing - work back thru a few of my past posts and it's happening. Russian industry is losing capacity, Russian economy is on the verge of imploding, men to mobilize has peaked and is dropping, Ukraine is getting better and better at killing Russians, Russian oil industry is gettung beaten up every second day, Russian air defences are being whittled away, armor is almost gone, logistics is down to donkeys, they're selling gold by the ton ..... Russian Army is getting worse while Ukraine's is getting better.....
Russia has peaked....the initiative is with Ukraine now, if you look at what's happening. All Russia has is human waves, and Ukraine is now neutralizing them and making effective localized counterattacks. Putin's only hope is for Trump to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.....
And right on cue, President Musk (and DonOld) are going to save Putin / Russia.
Meanwhile:
Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang VOTED FOR President Musk (and DonOld).
Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang 
Also:
We. Told. Them. So.
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Examples include the Presidential Drawdown Authority, the Foreign Military Financing Program and the Ukraine Security Assistant Initiative. The PDA arms Ukraine and pays U.S. companies for replenishing that armament. The FMF generates greater demand for U.S. firms by encouraging foreign countries to buy weapons from those firms. The USAI provides intelligence and logistical support to Ukraine, often through contracts with U.S. firms. Additional aid is spent on strengthening U.S. military presence abroad.
https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers
Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?
By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024
Yes
Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.
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Really? The American taxpayer is still paying for replenishment and Intelligence support. The final product still ends up in Ukraine. Shoring up Poland and the Baltics is still expenditures that we would not normally have. This allows these countries to send MILITARY aid to Ukraine. FFS MORE TDS!
ineedhelp1 obviously struggles with facts / the truth…
One more time:
https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers
Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?
By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024
Yes
Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.
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Seriously? Go back and take a look at trump’s proposed contrast including the time given to review it
He will. No one else in the whole world can depend on Trump, but Putin can.
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The United States just VOTED WITH RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA, BELARUS and SUDAN!!! Against our European DEMOCRATIC allies at the United Nations!
Trump REFUSED to say Russia invaded Ukraine and that it should withdraw from Ukraine.
Guess I'm gonna have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028. I really absolutely 100% never imagined that Trump could sink this low. Mind you, Biden/Harris vs Trump? Jeez, why couldn't the Democrats at least have fielded a decent middle-of-the-road candidate. I really hope they can in 2028.
You can't get more centrist than Biden/Harris.
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Trump is sparking a huge global realignment, whether he intended to or not.
Friedrich Merz is very likely to promote the idea of a new defense alliance to replace NATO, which would be the biggest geopolitical shift in recent decades. In this case, France and the United Kingdom, two nuclear powers capable of guaranteeing the continent's security, will take the lead. Germany, as the strongest economy in Europe, will be the main driver of funding and organization. The new alliance will bring together key European countries, including France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Finland and the Baltic states. Together, they will be able to form a military power with more than 1.5 million troops, the strongest navies and air forces in Europe, and a large economic foundation that will allow for hundreds of billions of euros in defense investments.
Add to that a long and very violent military tradition (Britain, Germany, cough cough...) that can be exceedingly ruthless when they get let off the leash and the global balance of power will dramatically change. After walking away from Europe like this, the USA will be on its own when it comes to any confrontation with China. The US will lose its dominant role in European security, while the EU will gain real military sovereignty. It's more than likely that, having seen how unreliable the US is, Australia will align with Europe (taking New Zealand along with it), while Japan and South Korea will reach some sort of accommodation with China.
That leaves Taiwan up shit creek without a paddle. They might as well start negotiations with China now, or do an Israel and both go nuclear and militarize like crazy. Trump has made it plain the USA will not go to war over some insignifiant little county. Xi has to be laughing his head off.
For Russia, the emergence of such a European force will be a serious challenge, as it will have a real rival that is not tied to Washington and has its own interests on the continent. Russia will be caught between a resurgent Europe (which will bring Ukraine under it's umbrella) and China. It Russia doesn't disintegrate first, and then it's China that will seize the spoils, and given geography and a lack of allies, there won't be a thing the USA will be able to do.
We do live in interesting times.
Friedrich Merz is very likely to promote the idea of a new defense alliance to replace NATO, which would be the biggest geopolitical shift in recent decades. In this case, France and the United Kingdom, two nuclear powers capable of guaranteeing the continent's security, will take the lead. Germany, as the strongest economy in Europe, will be the main driver of funding and organization. The new alliance will bring together key European countries, including France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Finland and the Baltic states. Together, they will be able to form a military power with more than 1.5 million troops, the strongest navies and air forces in Europe, and a large economic foundation that will allow for hundreds of billions of euros in defense investments.
Add to that a long and very violent military tradition (Britain, Germany, cough cough...) that can be exceedingly ruthless when they get let off the leash and the global balance of power will dramatically change. After walking away from Europe like this, the USA will be on its own when it comes to any confrontation with China. The US will lose its dominant role in European security, while the EU will gain real military sovereignty. It's more than likely that, having seen how unreliable the US is, Australia will align with Europe (taking New Zealand along with it), while Japan and South Korea will reach some sort of accommodation with China.
That leaves Taiwan up shit creek without a paddle. They might as well start negotiations with China now, or do an Israel and both go nuclear and militarize like crazy. Trump has made it plain the USA will not go to war over some insignifiant little county. Xi has to be laughing his head off.
For Russia, the emergence of such a European force will be a serious challenge, as it will have a real rival that is not tied to Washington and has its own interests on the continent. Russia will be caught between a resurgent Europe (which will bring Ukraine under it's umbrella) and China. It Russia doesn't disintegrate first, and then it's China that will seize the spoils, and given geography and a lack of allies, there won't be a thing the USA will be able to do.
We do live in interesting times.
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Bite me.
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Not with your dick and blame it on Derpy.
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Europe working together........
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Why don’t you wait for the outcome of peace negotiations. The US voted with Russia but for different reasons.
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Interesting article. I find it interesting that Germany didn’t take an interest in NATO defense in the past. We’re, on many occasions demanded they pay their fair share. They were closer aligned with Russia. The US warned them about their dependence on Russia energy.
https://www.dw.com/en/why-germany-isnt-leading-europes-defense/video-71585314
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I think it is more accurate to say that as the EU’s leading economy and de facto leader, Germany took in more immigrants, led the way in going green, eliminating trade barriers and in reducing military involvements in favor of talking to and working with others.
And yes as part of that bought cheap russian gas, as did the rest of the EU and others.
This trend lasted through the Merkel ( conservative CDU party ) years , but became a bit too lefty, so now Germans have voted CDU again.
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As I remember correctly Trump was really turned off by the EU during the Iran sanctions. The EU and NATO partners railed against Trumps sanctions against Iran. The EU wanted to continue trade with Iran which pissed Trump off. The EU hasn’t exactly been friendly towards the US. I pretty much agree with your assessment but I think it goes deeper than that. Germany, which has lagged behind is now realizing how really far behind they are. Trump told them long ago, as far back as 2017, to get their asses in gear and they just ignored him. Now they’re blustering about a new EU defense pack, we’ll, they should take care of the one they have.
I found this video to be an interesting take.
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47 supports Russia and Putin. Defend that.
