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For whatever reason it took some time for it to dawn on me that Pay for play, or sex for money under different circumstances has shown up in quite a few of my stories.

What does it mean? Not much other than I think women getting paid for sex is a turn on.
 
For whatever reason it took some time for it to dawn on me that Pay for play, or sex for money under different circumstances has shown up in quite a few of my stories.

What does it mean? Not much other than I think women getting paid for sex is a turn on.
That's interesting, because I've written a lot of stories about prostitution, often from the point of view of a particular woman, and she explains it as being totally about money, not sex per se. She also details the toll it takes on her and the delusions of the clients. The terms she uses are business metaphors (car dealerships are one) without any erotic content. And she only does it for two ten-month part-time stints, and she's totally drained both times. She fears pimps, the police, and her own customers who could harm her and get away with it.

For the second go-round: "I probably should have quit being a dominatrix soon after I started. There were various reasons for that which I will discuss below. But I was anxious about telling Gilda that I wanted out, and I was also afraid of the unknown people -- gangsters? -- who controlled the operation and took their cut of the money."

Two years earlier, as a freshman, she openly expresses her contempt for the clients who come to her house: "Some of them probably imagined, after having a brief, paid sex act with me, that I was now their girlfriend or something. I forbade them from staying even an extra ten minutes. I would tell them to get out and go somewhere, anywhere else. They could get in their car or wait for the bus or take a walk; I didn't care. I wanted them out the front door as soon as they got their pants up."
 
That's interesting, because I've written a lot of stories about prostitution, often from the point of view of a particular woman, and she explains it as being totally about money, not sex per se. She also details the toll it takes on her and the delusions of the clients. The terms she uses are business metaphors (car dealerships are one) without any erotic content. And she only does it for two ten-month part-time stints, and she's totally drained both times. She fears pimps, the police, and her own customers who could harm her and get away with it.

For the second go-round: "I probably should have quit being a dominatrix soon after I started. There were various reasons for that which I will discuss below. But I was anxious about telling Gilda that I wanted out, and I was also afraid of the unknown people -- gangsters? -- who controlled the operation and took their cut of the money."

Two years earlier, as a freshman, she openly expresses her contempt for the clients who come to her house: "Some of them probably imagined, after having a brief, paid sex act with me, that I was now their girlfriend or something. I forbade them from staying even an extra ten minutes. I would tell them to get out and go somewhere, anywhere else. They could get in their car or wait for the bus or take a walk; I didn't care. I wanted them out the front door as soon as they got their pants up."
There's two ways to handle these scenarios.

The first is the much more widely erotic device that they enjoy what they do. The porn shoot stories I've done, they were anxious going in, but found themselves getting into it. But I also used some things in the hcracters background and motivations that made that seem more plausible. The escort story, her first encounter was spur of the moment where someone knew she was hard up and offered to buy her something she needed and add some cash to have sex with her.

She struggled to go through with it, the guy was kind of a dick to her, but afterwards, she looked up escort sites he'd suggested to her "After all, you're a pro now" was the snotty remark when they were done, and she found the idea of men paying her for sex arousing. But she studied up on the game, set her rules and moving forward she felt much more in control and the average guy looking to do this is decent and just want time with a hot woman, I kept the disdain out of it going with the GFE being her sex life and intimacy because she wasn't going to date while doing this.

Implausible? Yes and no, I've talked to a few escorts over time both former and current (a couple a long time ago when I did use those services) and some more recent in the former group. That disdain exists, the bitterness they are doing it, and some shame in what they do, but for whatever reason they have no other options for that type of money, and of course some have bad habits. But these are things we don't want to use if the story is meant to just be 'hot' and fun.

I've done the other way around where the woman had no other options, was good at it and highly requested (Dominatrix) but always felt empty and used, and no regard for the men paying her, especially the ones who didn't even bother to take the wedding band off. I've had characters in the present describe being a stripper or sex worker in the past and how ashamed they were of it, and how seedy, and dangerous it can be at times. But those stories were meant to shape the character in the present, and create reasons why they are who they now are, and meant to be more depressing and desperate than a turn on.

Both work as long as the rest of the tone of the story fits. Women who do it out of need and feel stuck in it, are not suddenly going to meet that guy that's so awesome she comes four times. :rolleyes:
 
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Just read an older one I guess from silkstoc ... you know who, don't want to type it all out. Hit all the family tropes ... ALL of them on the first page of the first chapter. Way too fast, Wham, bam, not even a thank you. Newly introduced member just takes it all in stride with barely a whimper.

Kind of not really very good writing in my eye.

Almost all dialog, very little narration or background.

Not sure why that member is so popular.
 
There's two ways to handle these scenarios.

The first is the much more widely erotic device that they enjoy what they do. The porn shoot stories I've done, they were anxious going in, but found themselves getting into it. But I also used some things in the hcracters background and motivations that made that seem more plausible. The escort story, her first encounter was spur of the moment where someone knew she was hard up and offered to buy her something she needed and add some cash to have sex with her.

For me, what it comes down to is that the story is more erotic if she likes it. It may or may not be realistic or plausible, but it's sexier if she enjoys it.
 
For me, what it comes down to is that the story is more erotic if she likes it. It may or may not be realistic or plausible, but it's sexier if she enjoys it.
Right, and for a site like Lit, the "Oh my God, I love fucking, and getting paid for it!" is the way to go.
If you were writing an escort in a mainstream work, the darker side of the industry and motivations, in other words, realism, would play a bit better.

Like the saying goes, read the room, and the majority of rooms here have sticky walls.
 
Right, and for a site like Lit, the "Oh my God, I love fucking, and getting paid for it!" is the way to go.
If you were writing an escort in a mainstream work, the darker side of the industry and motivations, in other words, realism, would play a bit better.

Like the saying goes, read the room, and the majority of rooms here have sticky walls.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I see this as an erotic fantasy site, where people indulge their fantasies, and I think that's great. I see nothing negative about that. I have extremely broad and varied reading tastes, but I indulge only part of them here at Literotica. When I am here I want erotic fantasy. I'm not as interested in the nitty gritty of escort work. I want to read about the hot housewife or librarian who chooses to fuck for money and loves doing it.
 
For me, what it comes down to is that the story is more erotic if she likes it. It may or may not be realistic or plausible, but it's sexier if she enjoys it.
I have something like that in a folder I haven't submitted yet.

Girls takes over for her mother at the company as a family tradition. It's made clear that she likes it all, even though she was expected to do it.

Got to work out a few bits here and there.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I see this as an erotic fantasy site, where people indulge their fantasies, and I think that's great. I see nothing negative about that. I have extremely broad and varied reading tastes, but I indulge only part of them here at Literotica. When I am here I want erotic fantasy. I'm not as interested in the nitty gritty of escort work. I want to read about the hot housewife or librarian who chooses to fuck for money and loves doing it.
I wasn't inferring anything was negative, just pointing out that this site is more aligned for erotic fantasy than depressing reality.
 
There's two ways to handle these scenarios.

The first is the much more widely erotic device that they enjoy what they do. The porn shoot stories I've done, they were anxious going in, but found themselves getting into it. But I also used some things in the hcracters background and motivations that made that seem more plausible. The escort story, her first encounter was spur of the moment where someone knew she was hard up and offered to buy her something she needed and add some cash to have sex with her.

She struggled to go through with it, the guy was kind of a dick to her, but afterwards, she looked up escort sites he'd suggested to her "After all, you're a pro now" was the snotty remark when they were done, and she found the idea of men paying her for sex arousing. But she studied up on the game, set her rules and moving forward she felt much more in control and the average guy looking to do this is decent and just want time with a hot woman, I kept the disdain out of it going with the GFE being her sex life and intimacy because she wasn't going to date while doing this.

Implausible? Yes and no, I've talked to a few escorts over time both former and current (a couple a long time ago when I did use those services) and some more recent in the former group. That disdain exists, the bitterness they are doing it, and some shame in what they do, but for whatever reason they have no other options for that type of money, and of course some have bad habits. But these are things we don't want to use if the story is meant to just be 'hot' and fun.

I've done the other way around where the woman had no other options, was good at it and highly requested (Dominatrix) but always felt empty and used, and no regard for the men paying her, especially the ones who didn't even bother to take the wedding band off. I've had characters in the present describe being a stripper or sex worker in the past and how ashamed they were of it, and how seedy, and dangerous it can be at times. But those stories were meant to shape the character in the present, and create reasons why they are who they now are, and meant to be more depressing and desperate than a turn on.

Both work as long as the rest of the tone of the story fits. Women who do it out of need and feel stuck in it, are not suddenly going to meet that guy that's so awesome she comes four times. :rolleyes:
I didn't intend to write a diatribe, I'd guess you'd call it. Most of it started from a single story about a guy patronizing a prostitute and the surprising result. I don't think I've ever met a hooker, but streetwalkers used to be common in New York thirty to fifty years ago. Then the situation mostly went on-line until the influx of migrants brought in a new generation of streetwalkers.

I never intended that the female character in these had a universal experience of hookers. (That is one of her preferred terms for herself.) I think the importance of money is the main driver that some of the customers can't or don't want to recognize. So it's fiction, not first-hand reporting. There are interviews with prostitutes, porn actors, and others on-line that are probably worth watching.
 
I wasn't inferring anything was negative, just pointing out that this site is more aligned for erotic fantasy than depressing reality.
Yes, I've heard that said a number of times before. But people can write what suits them. We don't necessarily have to align with the site; I hope the site aligns with us. I wouldn't have stayed here so long if at least some of my stories weren't well-received, including the more downbeat ones about prostitution.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I see this as an erotic fantasy site, where people indulge their fantasies, and I think that's great. I see nothing negative about that. I have extremely broad and varied reading tastes, but I indulge only part of them here at Literotica. When I am here I want erotic fantasy. I'm not as interested in the nitty gritty of escort work. I want to read about the hot housewife or librarian who chooses to fuck for money and loves doing it.
Then you surely don't want to read my real-life essays about taxi driving. But the four in the series so far have mostly done pretty well. I am considering a fifth installment if I ever have time to do it. :unsure:

https://classic.literotica.com/s/new-york-taxi-driving-tales-ch-02
 
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That's interesting, because I've written a lot of stories about prostitution, often from the point of view of a particular woman, and she explains it as being totally about money, not sex per se. She also details the toll it takes on her and the delusions of the clients. The terms she uses are business metaphors (car dealerships are one) without any erotic content. And she only does it for two ten-month part-time stints, and she's totally drained both times. She fears pimps, the police, and her own customers who could harm her and get away with it.

For the second go-round: "I probably should have quit being a dominatrix soon after I started. There were various reasons for that which I will discuss below. But I was anxious about telling Gilda that I wanted out, and I was also afraid of the unknown people -- gangsters? -- who controlled the operation and took their cut of the money."

Two years earlier, as a freshman, she openly expresses her contempt for the clients who come to her house: "Some of them probably imagined, after having a brief, paid sex act with me, that I was now their girlfriend or something. I forbade them from staying even an extra ten minutes. I would tell them to get out and go somewhere, anywhere else. They could get in their car or wait for the bus or take a walk; I didn't care. I wanted them out the front door as soon as they got their pants up."
Wow, your stories sound intense and really grounded in realism. It’s refreshing to see prostitution portrayed from such a pragmatic, non-romanticized perspective focusing on the financial and emotional toll rather than glamorizing it. The business metaphors and the protagonist’s clear disdain for the clients add a unique layer of authenticity. It’s also interesting how you highlight her fear and the power dynamics at play, which often get glossed over in more sensationalized portrayals.
 
There's two ways to handle these scenarios.

The first is the much more widely erotic device that they enjoy what they do. The porn shoot stories I've done, they were anxious going in, but found themselves getting into it. But I also used some things in the hcracters background and motivations that made that seem more plausible. The escort story, her first encounter was spur of the moment where someone knew she was hard up and offered to buy her something she needed and add some cash to have sex with her.

She struggled to go through with it, the guy was kind of a dick to her, but afterwards, she looked up escort sites he'd suggested to her "After all, you're a pro now" was the snotty remark when they were done, and she found the idea of men paying her for sex arousing. But she studied up on the game, set her rules and moving forward she felt much more in control and the average guy looking to do this is decent and just want time with a hot woman, I kept the disdain out of it going with the GFE being her sex life and intimacy because she wasn't going to date while doing this.

Implausible? Yes and no, I've talked to a few escorts over time both former and current (a couple a long time ago when I did use those services) and some more recent in the former group. That disdain exists, the bitterness they are doing it, and some shame in what they do, but for whatever reason they have no other options for that type of money, and of course some have bad habits. But these are things we don't want to use if the story is meant to just be 'hot' and fun.

I've done the other way around where the woman had no other options, was good at it and highly requested (Dominatrix) but always felt empty and used, and no regard for the men paying her, especially the ones who didn't even bother to take the wedding band off. I've had characters in the present describe being a stripper or sex worker in the past and how ashamed they were of it, and how seedy, and dangerous it can be at times. But those stories were meant to shape the character in the present, and create reasons why they are who they now are, and meant to be more depressing and desperate than a turn on.

Both work as long as the rest of the tone of the story fits. Women who do it out of need and feel stuck in it, are not suddenly going to meet that guy that's so awesome she comes four times. :rolleyes:
You’ve clearly put a lot of thought into these portrayals, and it shows! Both approaches, whether it’s the eroticized version or the gritty, realistic one can work, as long as they’re consistent with the tone and purpose of the story. It’s cool how you’ve balanced the erotic elements with deeper character motivations and real-world consequences. The key, like you said, is making sure the rest of the story aligns with the character’s experience. Whether it’s meant to be hot or harrowing, authenticity is what makes it compelling.
 
Wow, your stories sound intense and really grounded in realism. It’s refreshing to see prostitution portrayed from such a pragmatic, non-romanticized perspective focusing on the financial and emotional toll rather than glamorizing it. The business metaphors and the protagonist’s clear disdain for the clients add a unique layer of authenticity. It’s also interesting how you highlight her fear and the power dynamics at play, which often get glossed over in more sensationalized portrayals.
Thanks! I didn't do any particular research on it, but I certain saw streetwalkers a lot in the 1970s. Like that corner in Taxi Driver at 13th and Third Avenue really was one of the locations for them. Thus most of the stories are set in the 1970s before online prostitution existed. Now, I guess with new migrants to the city, street prostitution has returned in a big way.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/09/prostitution-in-nyc-market-of-sweethearts-prompts-tours/

Market of Sweethearts! What an ironic name.
 
Thanks! I didn't do any particular research on it, but I certain saw streetwalkers a lot in the 1970s. Like that corner in Taxi Driver at 13th and Third Avenue really was one of the locations for them. Thus most of the stories are set in the 1970s before online prostitution existed. Now, I guess with new migrants to the city, street prostitution has returned in a big way.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/09/prostitution-in-nyc-market-of-sweethearts-prompts-tours/

Market of Sweethearts! What an ironic name.
I hope they don't sell their bodies by the kilo.
 
Yes, it has. The police made a push to get the online purveyors shut down, and once again, whores returned to the streets.
Thanks! I didn't do any particular research on it, but I certain saw streetwalkers a lot in the 1970s. Like that corner in Taxi Driver at 13th and Third Avenue really was one of the locations for them. Thus most of the stories are set in the 1970s before online prostitution existed. Now, I guess with new migrants to the city, street prostitution has returned in a big way.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/09/prostitution-in-nyc-market-of-sweethearts-prompts-tours/

Market of Sweethearts! What an ironic name.
 
Yes, it has. The police made a push to get the online purveyors shut down, and once again, whores returned to the streets.
I wasn't aware of the on-line crackdown. Also, I'm not familiar with what's going on in other cities. I would guess that they were absent from the streets for about two decades beginning early in this century. Also, they seem to be in different neighborhoods than previously, more in Brooklyn and Queens than the earlier locations in Manhattan.

Manhattan has had various red-light districts going far back into the 19th Century. The one I've heard about the most was "The Tenderloin," which I think was police lingo for the amount of graft they collected in that location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderloin,_Manhattan
 
Besides the pandemic, I doubt the street action died out completely. I'd imagine it shifted from here to there, trying to stay in step with johns and ahead of vice. We are now a few years over one century from the outlawing of prostitution in America. It seemed to be made illegal at the same time probation was passed. Probably one town, city, county, and state at a time. There were, way back when I was a teen and before I was a foster, three main locations in OKC, and I worked all three of them. South Robinson, 15th Street, between May and Pen (Pennsylvania), and the access area West of I35. It was a nasty, destructive, life on the streets and somehow becomes an additiction on it's on even without the dope. I never got on dope or even booze.
I wasn't aware of the on-line crackdown. Also, I'm not familiar with what's going on in other cities. I would guess that they were absent from the streets for about two decades beginning early in this century. Also, they seem to be in different neighborhoods than previously, more in Brooklyn and Queens than the earlier locations in Manhattan.

Manhattan has had various red-light districts going far back into the 19th Century. The one I've heard about the most was "The Tenderloin," which I think was police lingo for the amount of graft they collected in that location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenderloin,_Manhattan
 
Thanks! I didn't do any particular research on it, but I certain saw streetwalkers a lot in the 1970s. Like that corner in Taxi Driver at 13th and Third Avenue really was one of the locations for them. Thus most of the stories are set in the 1970s before online prostitution existed. Now, I guess with new migrants to the city, street prostitution has returned in a big way.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/09/prostitution-in-nyc-market-of-sweethearts-prompts-tours/

Market of Sweethearts! What an ironic name.
Yeah, the 70s vibe definitely had that gritty, raw energy Taxi Driver nailed it. It’s wild how things cycle back, though; street prostitution’s resurgence feels like a weird throwback. “Market of Sweethearts” is such a darkly ironic name, too. Times change, but some things just… don’t. Crazy how history repeats itself in different ways.
 
Yeah, the 70s vibe definitely had that gritty, raw energy Taxi Driver nailed it. It’s wild how things cycle back, though; street prostitution’s resurgence feels like a weird throwback. “Market of Sweethearts” is such a darkly ironic name, too. Times change, but some things just… don’t. Crazy how history repeats itself in different way
New York, like most major cities (except places like Zurich) has been a tough place from the beginning. I love watching '70s movies because they did so much location filming here. What looked contemporary when first released has now passed into history. Gene Hackman in Brooklyn:

https://thebestpictureproject.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/frenchconnection2.jpg
 
New York, like most major cities (except places like Zurich) has been a tough place from the beginning. I love watching '70s movies because they did so much location filming here. What looked contemporary when first released has now passed into history. Gene Hackman in Brooklyn:

https://thebestpictureproject.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/frenchconnection2.jpg
Oh, totally! There’s something so raw and real about '70s NYC in films, it’s like a time capsule of the city’s grit and character. That Gene Hackman shot in Brooklyn is iconic, and it’s wild how much the city has changed since then. Those movies really captured a moment in time that feels almost mythical now.
 
Oh, totally! There’s something so raw and real about '70s NYC in films, it’s like a time capsule of the city’s grit and character. That Gene Hackman shot in Brooklyn is iconic, and it’s wild how much the city has changed since then. Those movies really captured a moment in time that feels almost mythical now.
I lived through that, and it wasn't so great. I wasn't comfortable being on the street or subway in many places.

It isn't so great now, despite all of the tourists flocking to a redone Times Square. In the boroughs, it's still pretty rough, although the politicians don't want to admit it.

The French Connection, while based on a real story, had a lot added to punch it up. That car chase never happened, and Doyle never shot another officer as at the end. (That's about the worst mistake a cop can make.) Also, cops can't commandeer civilian vehicles (and then wreck them!).

Serpico is more realistic about police work. In this scene, the uniformed cop is upset merely because he shot through the windows of parked car.

 
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Besides the pandemic, I doubt the street action died out completely. I'd imagine it shifted from here to there, trying to stay in step with johns and ahead of vice. We are now a few years over one century from the outlawing of prostitution in America. It seemed to be made illegal at the same time probation was passed. Probably one town, city, county, and state at a time. There were, way back when I was a teen and before I was a foster, three main locations in OKC, and I worked all three of them. South Robinson, 15th Street, between May and Pen (Pennsylvania), and the access area West of I35. It was a nasty, destructive, life on the streets and somehow becomes an additiction on it's on even without the dope. I never got on dope or even booze.
That may be true. Perceptions based on what politicians and the media offer can be misleading.

I'm too old now, but I used to wander around the city just to see what was going on. Washington Heights (crack cocaine) in the 1980s had a street vibe that was so tense that it was palpable.

For a while, I guess about 1995 to 2019, things felt very different. Yeah, Giuliani claimed a lot of credit, which my be partly true. Certainly things like open-air drug selling dropped. In the 1970s people wouldn't go into Bryant Park or Union Square Park, not because of the dealers, but rather their customers I think.

It's difficult for me to gauge exactly what is going on now. Yes, migrants poured in here, but it looks like the present administration is going to aggressively try to deport them. The next couple of years will be - interesting?
 
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