What ever happened to Communism?

The social democracies are liberal nations.

Not by any delusional stretch of the imagination.

(The word does not mean what you think it does.)

Of course it does.

Even by one of your favorite public toilet type sources agrees with me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

But so do the more reputable sources.

liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/liberalism
a political philosophy based on belief in progress and stressing the essential goodness of the human race, freedom for the individual from arbitrary authority, and protection and promotion of political and civil liberties
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism


Plenty more here, they all confirm the common consensus use of the word.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lib...IMjczNmowajSoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
The best society is not the one with the most liberty. The best society is the one with the least poverty.

The truly objectionable thing about the USSR was its poverty.
 
The best society is not the one with the most liberty.
Incorrect.

The best society is the one with the least poverty.

Those tend to be the ones with the most liberty....people will get productive when you stop taking everything from them.

The truly objectionable thing about the USSR was its poverty.

Poverty that socialism creates everywhere it's tried.

Theft and slavery are not virtues.
 
The best society is not the one with the most liberty. The best society is the one with the least poverty.

The truly objectionable thing about the USSR was its poverty.
How many Russians have you worked with?
 
Those tend to be the ones with the most liberty....people will get productive when you stop taking everything from them.
No, the countries with the least poverty are the social democracies, which you somehow seem to judge deficient in liberty.
 
No, the countries with the least poverty are the social democracies,

They are also the most capitalistic.

which you somehow seem to judge deficient in liberty.

Throwing people in jail for thought crimes that offend leftoids, among many other absolutely absurd social policies.... are psychotically authoritarian. Hitler would be proud of the modern "progressive" western lefty.
 
They are also the most capitalistic.



Throwing people in jail for thought crimes that offend leftoids, among many other absolutely absurd social policies.... are psychotically authoritarian. Hitler would be proud of the modern "progressive" western lefty.
The social democracies are better and freer countries than the U.S. You can't spin your way out of that. We have all to learn from then, they have nothing to learn from us.
 
The social democracies are better

Not really, they are weak and falling apart.

and freer countries than the U.S.

And that's a lie.

You can't spin your way out of that.
Don't have to. Facts are facts.

They are authoritarian shitholes on a downward spiral.

We have all to learn from then, they have nothing to learn from us.

If that were the case they wouldn't be dependent upon us to prop them up economically and protect them.
 
They are authoritarian shitholes on a downward spiral.
They outrank us on all quality-of-life measures that matter, including democracy. And they have fewer of their people in prison than we do -- that matters a lot.
 
They outrank us on all quality-of-life measures that matter, including democracy

That matter to LEFTIST who desire a nanny state to micromanage their lives for them.

For everyone else who doesn't want to be a strictly indoor cat, not so much.

And those have NOTHING to do with liberty. They are not more free by being more nannied. Literally the opposite.
. And they have fewer of their people in prison than we do -- that matters a lot.

Not really, and it shows with their crime problems. Something the (D)umb fucks in the USA are trying to emulate. "Protect the criminals!! PUNISH their victims!! THAT'S PROGRESS!!!" LOL what a bunch of absolute fucking morons.
 
Alger Hiss was exposed as a Soviet agent. He was convicted of perjury over this. People still deny this, but he was one.
Did Alger Hiss pass classified material to the Soviet Government? If he did not, I do not see what the problem was. Soviet espionage was a legitimate concern during the Cold War. Communist subversion was not. Communist Party Members and Communist sympathizers had the right to spread their opinions. Democracy works best when the voters have access to many different points of view.
 
What did Alger Hiss do that was so terrible? That is an honest question. I do not know.

The Soviet Union lost an estimated 24,000,000 deaths during the Second World War, and one third of its industrial and farm plant. The Second World War left the United States stronger than before the War began. Beginning with the Truman Doctrine, American foreign policy was based on the assumption that a country so devastated as the U.S.S.R. was trying to conquer the world, and that any government, however dictatorial and corrupt, should be supported against a resistance movement if that movement could be labeled "Communist."

When I was in high school, I learned about Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain Speach."

Years later I learned about Stalin's response to Churchill:

As a result of the German invasion, the Soviet Union has irrevocably lost in battles with the Germans, and also during the German occupation and through the expulsion of Soviet citizens to German slave labour camps, about 7,000,000 people. In other words, the Soviet Union has lost in men several times more than Britain and the United States together. It may be that some quarters are trying to push into oblivion these sacrifices of the Soviet people which ensured the liberation of Europe from the Hitlerite yoke. But the Soviet Union cannot forget them.

One must therefore ask what can be surprising in the fact that the Soviet Union, in a desire to ensure its security for the future, tries to achieve that these countries should have governments whose relations to the Soviet Union are loyal? How can one, without having lost one’s reason, qualify these peaceful aspirations of the Soviet Union as “expansionist tendencies” of our Government? …

https://alphahistory.com/coldwar/stalin-responds-iron-curtain-speech-1946/

Stalin's response seems reasonable to me. I can understand why Alger Hiss thought it was reasonable, and why he concluded that the United States was overestimating the danger of Communism.

In his response Stalin underestimated the number of Soviet dead because he did not want Western countries to know how vulnerable the Soviet Union was to another invasion.
 
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