Trump says he and Putin have agreed to start 'negotiations' to end Ukraine war

[BeatMan]

US President Donald Trump revealed Wednesday he expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in Saudi Arabia for Ukraine peace talks, in an extraordinary thaw in relations after a surprise phone call between the two leaders.

In their first confirmed contact since Trump's return to the White House, the US president said he had held a "lengthy and highly productive" conversation with the Russian counterpart who ordered the bloody 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

Trump, who has been pushing for a quick end to the nearly three-year war, also denied that Ukraine was being left out in the cold by the direct negotiations between the two nuclear-armed superpowers.

"We expect that he'll come here, and I'll go there -- and we're going to meet probably in Saudi Arabia the first time," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office about his plans to meet Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...d-to-begin-negotiations-on-ending-ukraine-war

 

[ll74]

You can't negotiate the end of an invasion unless the invaded country is at the table

 

[Bn2f]

US President Donald Trump revealed Wednesday he expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in Saudi Arabia for Ukraine peace talks, in an extraordinary thaw in relations after a surprise phone call between the two leaders.

In their first confirmed contact since Trump's return to the White House, the US president said he had held a "lengthy and highly productive" conversation with the Russian counterpart who ordered the bloody 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

Trump, who has been pushing for a quick end to the nearly three-year war, also denied that Ukraine was being left out in the cold by the direct negotiations between the two nuclear-armed superpowers.

"We expect that he'll come here, and I'll go there -- and we're going to meet probably in Saudi Arabia the first time," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office about his plans to meet Putin.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250212--trump-says-he-and-putin-have-agreed-to-begin-negotiations-on-ending-ukraine-war

Imagine me punching you in the mouth and you punching me back and then I go to your next door neighbor and a local gas attendant to negotiate peace talks between us.

 

[UltraChad]

Imagine me punching you in the mouth and you punching me back and then I go to your next door neighbor and a local gas attendant to negotiate peace talks between us.

Imagine that neighbor has the power to fuckin' kill ALL OF YOU several different ways and is tired of your shit.

Changes the dynamic a bit now doesn't it?

 

[Bn2f]

Imagine that neighbor has the power to fuckin' kill ALL OF YOU several different ways and is tired of your shit.

Changes the dynamic a bit now doesn't it?

Huh?

 

[Lazaran]

Huh?

Bot doesn’t even know what it’s responding to or what it’s saying.

Lack of reading comprehension coupled with an innate spaz response / reflex will do that…

 

[MajorRewrite]

Russia has proven itself to be too weak to be able to quickly invade a third-rate military power. Why does it get a seat at the bargaining table?

If the US is willing to throw its weight around, it ought to dictate terms of surrender to the wimpy runt Putin.

 

[Bn2f]

“In their first confirmed contact since Trump's return to the White House”

 

[Politruk]

Zelenskyy has said he won't make peace on any terms that let Russia keep the territory it grabbed in 2014. Is he sticking to that?

 

[Chernosoth]

Russia has proven itself to be too weak to be able to quickly invade a third-rate military power. Why does it get a seat at the bargaining table?

If the US is willing to throw its weight around, it ought to dictate terms of surrender to the wimpy runt Putin.

Are you willing to throw your weight around, on Ukrainian soil?

 

[Bn2f]

Are you willing to throw your weight around, on Ukrainian soil?

Now why exactly would anyone supporting Ukraine here in America want our troops there?

 

[Celand]

You can't negotiate the end of an invasion unless the invaded country is at the table

When Kosovo was created, was Serbia at the table?

 

[ll74]

When Kosovo was created, was Serbia at the table?

Yes.

 

[Bn2f]

When Kosovo was created, was Serbia at the table?

Haha!
I personally don’t require 30 days to determine if you’re a dumbass or not.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Negotiations to end wars are a good thing.

 

[ChloeTzang]

THIS is going to be interesting. Putin's terms are completely unacceptable to Ukraine. Ukraine's terms are completely unacceptable to Putin.

Zelensky has already said that without guarantees, Ukraine will need an Army as large as Russia's. Putin wants the ZSU emasculated. Ain't happening.

Trump has come in with what sounds like crappy terms for Ukraine on borders and handing over territory, but IMHO this is a negotiating ploy. It sounds like he is in many ways betraying Ukraine, and playing to the MAGA crowd, and giving things away to Putin, but the devil is in the details. Personally, whatever Trump puts forward, Putin wants absolute surrender and the Ukrainian military reduced to something that he can overrun in Round 2. He won't agree to anything less than that, and Zelensky gone.

Ukraine will agree to neither and will keep building up their military and defense industry with EU backing. Rheinmetall producing Leopard 2's and Lynx's in Ukraine is one factor. More French Mirage's and Gripen's is another, and Ukraine is now also in bed with Turkey on their new fighter, as well as Turkey building warships. Ukraine drone production has gone exponential - they are not as reliant on US 155mm ammo as they were, and again, EU 155mm production is increasing. Ukraine is producing more and more artillery and artillery ammo themselves and they are getting more from German. Bradley's have not been forthcoming but they are getting a steady trickle of refurbished Marders, new Patria's, as well as CV90's and Lynxes and Fuchs over 2025 and 2026. Air defense systems likewise continue to trickle in. Throw in their bomber drones and missiles, and even without US support, Ukraine can continue to fight. They are nothing like as dependent on the US as they were.

Now, if Putin won't agree to the details, which we can just about guarantee he won't, American support will continue, but as Lend Lease rather than outright freebies. That, and without any US boots on the ground, because this whole war has proved that paper guarantees are worthless, Ukraine won't back down on its own security and is quite likely to go nuclear. Which would be easy for them to do, and actually in reality, it'd be foolish of them NOT to go nuclear at this point, with no NATO membership and no US boots. They won't say so, they'll do an Israel and just do it.

So my take, for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, is there will be no agreement, the war will go on, but Putin's refusal to sign will end up giving Trump the excuse he needs (for his base) to continue to support Ukraine.

 

[Darkweather]

THIS is going to be interesting. Putin's terms are completely unacceptable to Ukraine. Ukraine's terms are completely unacceptable to Putin.

Zelensky has already said that without guarantees, Ukraine will need an Army as large as Russia's. Putin wants the ZSU emasculated. Ain't happening.

Trump has come in with what sounds like crappy terms for Ukraine on borders and handing over territory, but IMHO this is a negotiating ploy. It sounds like he is in many ways betraying Ukraine, and playing to the MAGA crowd, and giving things away to Putin, but the devil is in the details. Personally, whatever Trump puts forward, Putin wants absolute surrender and the Ukrainian military reduced to something that he can overrun in Round 2. He won't agree to anything less than that, and Zelensky gone.

Ukraine will agree to neither and will keep building up their military and defense industry with EU backing. Rheinmetall producing Leopard 2's and Lynx's in Ukraine is one factor. More French Mirage's and Gripen's is another, and Ukraine is now also in bed with Turkey on their new fighter, as well as Turkey building warships. Ukraine drone production has gone exponential - they are not as reliant on US 155mm ammo as they were, and again, EU 155mm production is increasing. Ukraine is producing more and more artillery and artillery ammo themselves and they are getting more from German. Bradley's have not been forthcoming but they are getting a steady trickle of refurbished Marders, new Patria's, as well as CV90's and Lynxes and Fuchs over 2025 and 2026. Air defense systems likewise continue to trickle in. Throw in their bomber drones and missiles, and even without US support, Ukraine can continue to fight. They are nothing like as dependent on the US as they were.

Now, if Putin won't agree to the details, which we can just about guarantee he won't, American support will continue, but as Lend Lease rather than outright freebies. That, and without any US boots on the ground, because this whole war has proved that paper guarantees are worthless, Ukraine won't back down on its own security and is quite likely to go nuclear. Which would be easy for them to do, and actually in reality, it'd be foolish of them NOT to go nuclear at this point, with no NATO membership and no US boots. They won't say so, they'll do an Israel and just do it.

So my take, for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, is there will be no agreement, the war will go on, but Putin's refusal to sign will end up giving Trump the excuse he needs (for his base) to continue to support Ukraine.

an exceptionally good assessment of the situation.

The only issue I would dispute is the likelihood of continuing American support. This is not likely to happen as Trump is pursuing an isolationist agenda and is banking on being the 'peacemaker' (remember, he was going to end the war in one day). How this is going to lead to a solution I do not know. Zelensky knows it is essentially game over as without America, Ukraine is sunk and with more European countries pursuing their own right-wing Putin-sympathising agenda, support in the EU for on ongoing war is waning.

Trump is transactional though. If there is no deal one way support may continue is the supply of rare earths for arms. I know who will benefit most from that.

 

[ll74]

THIS is going to be interesting. Putin's terms are completely unacceptable to Ukraine. Ukraine's terms are completely unacceptable to Putin.

Zelensky has already said that without guarantees, Ukraine will need an Army as large as Russia's. Putin wants the ZSU emasculated. Ain't happening.

Trump has come in with what sounds like crappy terms for Ukraine on borders and handing over territory, but IMHO this is a negotiating ploy. It sounds like he is in many ways betraying Ukraine, and playing to the MAGA crowd, and giving things away to Putin, but the devil is in the details. Personally, whatever Trump puts forward, Putin wants absolute surrender and the Ukrainian military reduced to something that he can overrun in Round 2. He won't agree to anything less than that, and Zelensky gone.

Ukraine will agree to neither and will keep building up their military and defense industry with EU backing. Rheinmetall producing Leopard 2's and Lynx's in Ukraine is one factor. More French Mirage's and Gripen's is another, and Ukraine is now also in bed with Turkey on their new fighter, as well as Turkey building warships. Ukraine drone production has gone exponential - they are not as reliant on US 155mm ammo as they were, and again, EU 155mm production is increasing. Ukraine is producing more and more artillery and artillery ammo themselves and they are getting more from German. Bradley's have not been forthcoming but they are getting a steady trickle of refurbished Marders, new Patria's, as well as CV90's and Lynxes and Fuchs over 2025 and 2026. Air defense systems likewise continue to trickle in. Throw in their bomber drones and missiles, and even without US support, Ukraine can continue to fight. They are nothing like as dependent on the US as they were.

Now, if Putin won't agree to the details, which we can just about guarantee he won't, American support will continue, but as Lend Lease rather than outright freebies. That, and without any US boots on the ground, because this whole war has proved that paper guarantees are worthless, Ukraine won't back down on its own security and is quite likely to go nuclear. Which would be easy for them to do, and actually in reality, it'd be foolish of them NOT to go nuclear at this point, with no NATO membership and no US boots. They won't say so, they'll do an Israel and just do it.

So my take, for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing, is there will be no agreement, the war will go on, but Putin's refusal to sign will end up giving Trump the excuse he needs (for his base) to continue to support Ukraine.

Trump supports Putin against Ukraine.

But please, spend more time explaining why you are ok with this because you suck Trump cock

 

[Cat]

*cough* But of course Trump and Putin are going to agree how to end the war...

On the European Continent.. deciding what we European countries are allowed to do, changing borders and annexing territories *cough* countries in other cases *cough*.

I mean, who does not want a cool, strong, macho, and full of vigor and charismatic leader?
One that can make your country bigger, much bigger.. a leader that is worthy of being remembered forever.

.... We have had several of those before.. strangely enough, they all glorified violence, started by being elected.. Then, well.. they were leaders, they knew how to do things, right? Better they stayed in control until they were satisfied.

Come on, it is easy to understand why Putin and Trump are able to see eye to eye.

They are just doing it for world peace, and.. well, it is for the best!

..... Now, should we start to learn Russian or Chinese..

 

[Darkweather]

..... Now, should we start to learn Russian or Chinese..

I just asked DeepSeek and it says Chinese.

 

[Cat]

I just asked DeepSeek and it says Chinese.

Truthfully, you might not be wrong.

After all, the whole idea of "The West" and "The East" seems to be under deconstruction as it is right now.

With Trump questioning whether he would come to the aid, in case of another NATO allied needing it.
(Historyless people will be historyless, which NATO country has been asking for military assistance in 2001 and 2003, wars that we had very little reason to participate in. We even stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years. But we did it because - that is what allied supposedly do. )

But with Trump making ridiculous demands, being typically bombastic and loud. We are seeing cracks in the former solid alliance.

I agree, the European Union needs to be able to defend themselves better, although, the latest wars we have been participating in; were initiated, started and executed for the sake of The United States, not the European Union.

So, if we separate things that does not have anything to do with the core question I am asking:
- Is Trump dissolving the Western world as we know it?

Should we (the Europeans) accept that is it. And start to look at other business partners?
I mean, I do not mind having to learn Chinese, at least they have not lied about our country or tried to take over a sovereign country in our Kingdom.

 

[Darkweather]

So, if we separate things that does not have anything to do with the core question I am asking:
- Is Trump dissolving the Western world as we know it?

Should we (the Europeans) accept that is it. And start to look at other business partners?
I mean, I do not mind having to learn Chinese, at least they have not lied about our country or tried to take over a sovereign country in our Kingdom.

Yes, the Western world is being dissolved. The concept of rules based law and multilateralism are being eroded and dismantled.

With the protectionist, isolationist policies the US is pursuing, it will be up to the rest of the world to re-align trading partners and international institutions without the US. The risk is that the potential is there for the US to become a 'rogue state' (threats of invasion (Greenland), ethnic cleansing (Gaza) and re-nationalisation of overseas territory (Panama Canal) could easily become reality) with partners like Putin, which will put the rest of the world in a difficult position as to what to do about it.

 

[UltraChad]

Huh?

Illiterate fuckwit....what part are you having trouble with???

Do you need pictures??? Maybe an autism therapist??

 

[Bn2f]

Illiterate fuckwit....what part are you having trouble with???

Do you need pictures??? Maybe an autism therapist??

 

[UltraChad]

Truthfully, you might not be wrong.

After all, the whole idea of "The West" and "The East" seems to be under deconstruction as it is right now.

From the cold war perspective...yea, but that's been going on since 89' anyhow.

Civilizational? Only in the minds of the most absurd 'progressive' lefties who are going to fantasize about their leading a socialist revolution against Orange Hitler by blocking highways and pissing everyone off anyhow.

I agree, the European Union needs to be able to defend themselves better, although, the latest wars we have been participating in; were initiated, started and executed for the sake of The United States, not the European Union.

Biden and DOD pals corruption isn't the sake of the US.

So, if we separate things that does not have anything to do with the core question I am asking:
- Is Trump dissolving the Western world as we know it?

Only if your idea of the western world requires an "America LAST" USA run by anti-American leftist.

Should we (the Europeans) accept that is it. And start to look at other business partners?
I mean, I do not mind having to learn Chinese, at least they have not lied about our country or tried to take over a sovereign country in our Kingdom.

With only 2...ehhh 3 exceptions Europe is both culturally and ideologically far closer to the CCP than the USA anyhow.

Probably not a bad idea.