For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

And if anyone asks what use Blackhawks would be in Ukraine......

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

And if anyone asks what use Blackhawks would be in Ukraine......

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That’s a Nightstalker MH-60. We haven’t exported that variant, though I can’t see any markings. As far as I know, they’ll not be deploying. Although I haven’t talked to my “connections” in while.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Zelenskyy is telling President Trump he wants to end war

 

[Lazaran]

Well now, that was an extremely interesting, if depressing, read.

Russia as a country appears to have played the Trump team like a fiddle.

Putin took all of Trump's calls during the 2024 presidential campaign, lulling Trump into a false sense of security that they could "do a deal". Russia basically had two major demands, Ukraine will have their NATO application rejected AND Russia gets to keep all territory conquered to date. Trump's team immediately thought that was agreeable, seemingly incapable or unwilling to understand that Ukraine would never accept those terms.

After the election, prior to inauguration, Trump's team began to get intelligence briefing and things started to go downhill very quickly. Trump was still oblivious to reality though, because he and Putin had a "friendship". Trump honestly thought he could bypass all that unnecessary State Department bullshit because he (Trump) knew how to make a fucking deal, dammit.

So Trump simply picked up the phone and.....

.....Putin now refused to take Trump's phone call.

Evidently this was a first. Trump's team realized there was no way in hell an agreement could be reached "on Day One" so the spin machine sprang belatedly into action. Trump's Special Envoy to the Ukraine estimated it would take an intensive "100 day negotiation", State department professionals whispered "Six months minimum" and poor little Marco Rubio took a lot of heat as Secretary of State for refusing to commit to ANY line-in-the-sand timeline.

Then the other shoe dropped as sources in the Kremlin leaked that there were actually now ADDITIONAL "non-negotiable" demands by Russia as a condition of cease-fire, the terms have changed since Joe Biden is no longer president.

In addition to the two non-negotiables above, there were now these "poison pills" added to the existing conditions to really destabilize Ukraine.

1. The entire Ukraine executive branch must step down (in the name of "deNazification").
2. Complete dismantling of the Ukraine military (hey they got Ukraine to give up their nukes for a sack of magic beans years ago)
3. Removing that God damned state-of-the-art NATO Air Defense Artillery system from the eastern edge of Poland (I wrote about this little gem last week)
4. oh, and now Russia is demanding that Ukraine unilaterally cede land in the southern and eastern territories in Ukraine, that Russia has held no interest in before now, and has not been subjected to any warfare campaigns.

Trump blinked.

He asked..."and if I do agree to all of these terms....what do I get in return?".

Putin, in his best Michael Corleone impression, stuck the stiletto into Trump's girthy ribcage, "Nothing. We give you nothing".

I think this was the point when Trump realized how absolutely fucked his negotiating position was. Since this deal was rapidly wafting the stink of failure, Trump handed it over to Little Marco and the State Department to let them take the blame for failure.

Trump had to rewrite a portion of his Golden Age In America inauguration rant to talk bewilderedly about how he didn't understand why Putin all of a sudden wasn't willing to come to the negotiating table.

Not only that, but he's not offering the United States ANYTHING! Trump was confused and hurt by this betrayal of one of the few men in the world he openly admired.

Putin was playing chess all along while Trump thought they were playing checkers.

Checkmate, dotard!

Co-signed.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Zelenskyy is telling President Trump he wants to end war

Of course, that's what Trump wants, but Ukraine will be reasonable. Putin won't back down, and Ukraine will get what they need to beat up Russia,

2014 borders, including Crimea and reparations, war criminals handed over, etc. Membership of NATO, actual or defacto (the alt. is nukes)

Russia won't agree. Russia will be defeated. Russian Empire will disintegrate

 

[ChloeTzang]

Co-signed.

Sentiments and "Trump was played" aside, I think a good summary. End result will be what I said before. Ukraine will get more weapons from Trump than they did from Biden and will win the war. Putin will eat a lead pill and the Russian Federation will disintegrate

 

[Lazaran]

Of course, that's what Trump wants, but Ukraine will be reasonable. Putin won't back down, and Ukraine will get what they need to beat up Russia,

2014 borders, including Crimea and reparations, war criminals handed over, etc. Membership of NATO, actual or defacto (the alt. is nukes)

Russia won't agree. Russia will be defeated. Russian Empire will disintegrate

Translation of Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang’s sugarcoated gish-gallop:

President Musk (and DonOld) LIED, and FAILED to keep one (the first) of their MANY empty PROMISES, while simultaneously signaling that they are ready to BETRAY the Ukrainians. (See also: assistant president DonOld degraded President Zelenskyy by equating him to Putin)



Hope that ^ helps.



“Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

 

[Lazaran]

Sentiments and "Trump was played" aside, I think a good summary. End result will be what I said before. Ukraine will get more weapons from Trump than they did from Biden and will win the war. Putin will eat a lead pill and the Russian Federation will disintegrate

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang has been WRONG about, well, EVERYTHING involving this war, which worries me when it comes to Ukraine’s ultimate victory and Russia’s defeat / collapse…





Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang



Thankfully / reassuringly:

President Biden DID secure significant funding for Ukraine BEFORE the traitorous President Musk (and DonOld) took office, AND President Biden built an impressive alliance in Europe, etc that has adopted the policy of securing loans backed by frozen Russian assets for Ukraine’s defense , so Ukraine DOES have a fair to good chance of emerging from this war a truly independent nation with legitimate security assurances / alliances and the REAL prospect of NATO & EU membership.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN!!!





Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Thankfully / reassuringly:

President Biden DID secure significant funding for Ukraine BEFORE the traitorous President Musk (and DonOld) took office, AND President Biden built an impressive alliance in Europe, etc that has adopted the policy of securing loans backed by frozen Russian assets for Ukraine’s defense , so Ukraine DOES have a fair to good chance of emerging from this war a truly independent nation with legitimate security assurances / alliances and the REAL prospect of NATO & EU membership.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN!!!

Slava Ukraini!!!

Joe Biden helped Ukraine to survive. That much is true. But. And it's a VERY BIG but...Joe Biden lacked the courage to do what was needed to allow Ukraine to win. At every turn he had to be pushed and begged. First, he offered Zelensky a ride out. THEN he wanted Ukraine to win without destroying Russia. A policy that cost Ukraine lives and territory. He'll be remembered like Neville Chamberlain. The wrong man at the wrong time.

Biden abdicated from his responsibilities as leader of the free world - and now his shambles of an administration can finally be consigned to the rubbish bin. He will not be remembered well, if much at all - not even a Bob Woodward production can obscure the bitter truth. Biden was a rank political hack who failed to live up to a unique moment and squandered a once-in-a-century opportunity. Putin’s perception when he decided to invade Ukraine was that the USA was ready to abandon Kyiv. Rather similar to why Saddam invaded Kuwait when you think about it - he though the US Ambassador had given him the go ahead and that the US would not intervene. Biden did the same thing with Ukraine, doing everything they could to reinforce Putin's view. The weapons the Biden Administration initially provided were suitable only for a guerilla struggle: the implied objective was to turn Ukraine into another Afghanistan, a war against an occupier waged with whatever support D.C. thought convenient. Sadly for Biden, the Ukrainians fought back with a ferocity and skill that no-one expected, and changed the course of history.

Making the classic error of nearly every other dictator in his position, instead of backing away and reconsidering his assumptions Putin doubled down. And he’s kept on doing it since, despite the total lack of evidence his war can ever be won. At best, subjugation of Kyiv would split Ukrainians into camps. An extremist group totally unchained by any allegiance to western values would wage a vicious terror campaign in revenge for all that Moscow has wrought in Ukraine: the Troubles in Ireland on cocaine. That’s what Biden’s policy aimed to have on Europe’s eastern frontier. The great thing about Biden finally having no power is that Ukrainians and their allies can openly tell the full, unvarnished truth about how he tried to sell Ukraine to Putin. Between craven surrender and World War Three lies a vast gulf of policy options that were never even considered because they didn’t suit Biden’s vainglorious ambitions.

Was Biden better than what is to come? Guess we'll find out, but it can't be worse, that's for sure. Talk about living history.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

Personally I'm impressed by the way Trump and his team have adapted and changed their approach to Russia and Ukraine. They face reality head on, unlike Biden.

 

[Lazaran]

That’s a Nightstalker MH-60. We haven’t exported that variant, though I can’t see any markings. As far as I know, they’ll not be deploying. Although I haven’t talked to my “connections” in while.

Um, the MH-60 actually IS a Black Hawk variant… The SH-60 is ALSO a Black Hawk variant, but is REFERRED TO as a “Sea Hawk”.

Also:

The 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) is known as “The Nightstalkers”, not the MH-60.

Your “connections” should have told you that…

Hope that ^ helps.

 

[Politruk]

Trump has ALREADY cut off the military aid.

 

[Politruk]

Told you so, Chloe!

 

[Politruk]

Personally I'm impressed by the way Trump and his team have adapted and changed their approach to Russia and Ukraine. They face reality head on, unlike Biden.

Whatever you're referring to there, I don't think Zelenskyy is glad of it. And I suspect Putin is very glad indeed.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump has ALREADY cut off the military aid.

ALL USAID HAS BEEN BLOCKED....

NOT USAI AID.. totally different.

USAI money for ukraine has been contracted and spent
DOD drawdown is also used and on the way...

ukraine does not get that much USAID money.

ukraine just got about 60 billion in the bank..
30 from the EU
20 from the US
10ish from around the world
secured with loans on frozen russian funds.
none of that is affected

in addition this is not counting the many billions coming from the EU, and the rest of the world....

please take a deep breath....

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Politruk]

Curiouser and curiouser.

Trump’s State Department Pauses Foreign Aid — Impact On Ukraine Unclear​

Molly Bohannon
Forbes Staff
Molly Bohannon has been a Forbes news reporter since 2023.
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Jan 24, 2025,03:27pm EST
Updated Jan 24, 2025, 03:53pm EST

Topline​

The State Department issued guidance stopping foreign aid grant spending for 90 days, multiple outlets reported Friday, after President Donald Trump signed an executive order Monday that sought to realign foreign spending with American interests.

Key Facts​

The order from the State Department bans any new government spending on foreign aid projects, seemingly allowing existing programs to run only with the money they have on hand, the Associated Press reported, after obtaining cables sent from State to foreign embassies.

There was confusion on what the order meant, though, with some organizations seeing it as a stop-work order, according to the AP.

Politico reported it “appears to apply to funding for military assistance to Ukraine,” and Reuters reported the directive only included a waiver for aid to Israel and Egypt.

The executive order signed by Trump on Monday stated U.S. foreign aid and bureaucracy are not “aligned with American interests and in many cases [are] antithetical to American values.”
Forbes has reached out to the State Department for more information.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

The U.S. Department of State's directive to suspend foreign aid does not apply to military support for Ukraine, according to the Center for Countering Disinformation (CCD) at Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council.The CCD emphasized that two primary programs -- Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) and Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) -- through which weapons are supplied to Ukraine, are operating without interruption.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-po...ary-support-for-ukraine-disinfo-watchdog.html

 

[ll74]

So why aren't we focusing on buying Russia? I think they'd be strategically important too.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

So why aren't we focusing on buying Russia? I think they'd be strategically important too.

We're gonna blow them to bits and pick it up at discount rates

 

[ChloeTzang]

This does not sound good. This is the type of corruption that has created a huge negative image for Ukraine to deal with, and now it's apparent that the Minster of Defence is deeply involved in perpetuatimg corruption rather than eliminating it. This is not good at all.

Sounds like Defense Minister Rustem Umerov needs to be fired and replaced. Zelensky needs to do a lot more ass-kicking.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine...s-defense-minister-moves-to-undermine-reform/

 

[ChloeTzang]

Since Sunday, several C-17 Military Transports with the U.S. Air Force have flown from Ramstein Air Base in Germany, to Hatzerim Airbase in Southern Israel, before then flying to Rzeszów in Eastern Poland, which serves as the Hub for almost all Military Aid provided by the U.S. and NATO to Ukraine.

Reports previously had suggested that Israel was considering donating Soviet Weapons and Equipment, captured recently in both Lebanon and Syria, to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, including Tanks, Anti-Tank Guided-Missiles, and Ammunition; this is in addition to several “Patriot” Surface-to-Air Missile Batteries that the Israeli Air Force was preparing to Retire, which they had also considered giving to Ukraine.

 

[Lazaran]

This does not sound good. This is the type of corruption that has created a huge negative image for Ukraine to deal with, and now it's apparent that the Minster of Defence is deeply involved in perpetuatimg corruption rather than eliminating it. This is not good at all.

Sounds like Defense Minister Rustem Umerov needs to be fired and replaced. Zelensky needs to do a lot more ass-kicking.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine...s-defense-minister-moves-to-undermine-reform/

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang apparently does NOT like “DOGE” when the Ukrainian government tries doing it…



The Ukrainian defense minister wanted to COMBINE two separate acquisition authorities into one.

That ^ SOUNDS efficient (DOGE-Y), no???



MAYBE Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang is learning / realizing that ABSOLUTE efficiency is NOT always the best way to go in a REALITY that includes human greed and corruption??? Especially when that ABSOLUTE efficiency leads to WORSE results on the battlefield (or in society)???



I doubt it…



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang