It took two hours for my LW story to prove me right.

[Imstillfun]

I made my first foree into LW today with a cuckold husband watches his wife have sex offering and of course instantly found out first hand what you'll all know.... that the comments are hilariously OTT!

I have been laughing all day at how people who pertain to hate cuckold stories can't seem to get enough of looking at them even when in the subject I made it clear it was a cuck husband watching his wife cheat, and put a big bold 'Warning' before the actual story text alerting to the fact too.

The speculation on my own sexual orientation and/or inadequacies have been the most fun though, firstly because they just assume I'm married which im not, and mostly because these commenters can't seem to distinguish between reality and fiction, despite me splashing all over the story that it's purely made up for the entertainment of readers who are into the subject.

If you want an education in what my brother calls "Internet muscles" then LW is the way to go, because the amount of people all trying to sound tough when in reality they'd never dare say it to your face is unending it seems...

I have an LW story, ‘You only think you are in control’. I admit I wrote it to troll the trolls, but still it’s got over 300 comments. Worth a read if you want a laugh.

 

[KeithD]

I have an LW story, ‘You only think you are in control’. I admit I wrote it to troll the trolls, but still it’s got over 300 comments. Worth a read if you want a laugh.

I think that's a large part of the "troll" problem on LW. Folks writing stories to purposely troll the trolls.

 

[theMasterBaiter]

Is there a competition to get the lowest score in LW? I guess that wouldn't work, cause we could just write an objectively bad story.... What I want is an spread: Most 1s while also having the most 5s. If there was a way to know...

 

[theMasterBaiter]

Actually, how about "lowest score with most favorites"? LOL. One of my lowest score stories also has been favorited the most.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Is there a competition to get the lowest score in LW? I guess that wouldn't work, cause we could just write an objectively bad story.... What I want is an spread: Most 1s while also having the most 5s. If there was a way to know...

You can't go with the most 1's or most 5's, because the admins scrape away some of them when there's an apparent attack on a story. It's most to remove excess 1s, possibly when they detect they're coming from the same IP address.

But as far as a stable rated story (after the 1 scraping), my story "Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words" posted on 02/03/2024 in Loving Wives is at 2.27 with 736 votes! It has 14.8k views and favorited by 10, with 42 comments!

Seeing how successful that was at getting reactions, I turned it into a longer story "Raging Hormones" (now rated 3.13/476).

 

[Rollinbones]

Perhaps a lw themed authors challenge would highlight the abyss. I suggest a theme of reconciliation. I hear brains exploding like uncovered popcorn already.

 

[lovecraft68]

Perhaps a lw themed authors challenge would highlight the abyss. I suggest a theme of reconciliation. I hear brains exploding like uncovered popcorn already.

Then what would happen is all the sad little men would then have to write their versions of all the reconciliation stories because they can't live with the idea of a fictional woman getting away with something.

The RAAC challenge will be followed by the Butthurt authors association of Lit challenge.

But wait, there's more. All The RAAC authors will wait until those stories come out then report them to the site because they never gave permission for them to be written.

This has potential to be a story in itself.

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

I'm still actually SUUUUUUPER confused about what the 'Loving Wives' category means?

After reading this thread I'm just as confused. I went & looked at what I've published so far & what I've got lined up & so far, out of 14 published, none are in LW. PHEW! Although I did publish a story in 'Romance' (because I thought it was romantic!) that I definitely put in the wrong category. (me, dumb)

I definitely think there seem to be a lot of harsh 'anonymous' comments on this site (not just on stuff I've read, which sometimes deserves a harsh comment, but on other people's stories). I really like writing about despicable human beings, many of them are cheating, & I've definitely noticed that I get happier feedback when the 'winner' is a husband, than when it's the wife. Even when the husband or man in the story is a truly awful person (& deliberately written as such). I've got a pending story where another wife cheats - but I'm hoping because it's told from the POV of the young man she's hooking up with it might avoid daggers? Who knows

So, even though I'm still confused about LW - I'm glad I'm not imagining things? It's just confusing?

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

Then what would happen is all the sad little men would then have to write their versions of all the reconciliation stories because they can't live with the idea of a fictional woman getting away with something.

The RAAC challenge will be followed by the Butthurt authors association of Lit challenge.

But wait, there's more. All The RAAC authors will wait until those stories come out then report them to the site because they never gave permission for them to be written.

This has potential to be a story in itself.

Jesus Christ, you joined in 2009?? That's impressive!! (sorry. off topic, just WOW)

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm still actually SUUUUUUPER confused about what the 'Loving Wives' category means?

After reading this thread I'm just as confused. I went & looked at what I've published so far & what I've got lined up & so far, out of 14 published, none are in LW. PHEW! Although I did publish a story in 'Romance' (because I thought it was romantic!) that I definitely put in the wrong category. (me, dumb)

I definitely think there seem to be a lot of misogynists operating from 'anonymous' on this site. I really like writing about despicable human beings, many of them are cheating, & I've definitely noticed that I get better feedback when the 'winner' is a husband, than when it's the wife. Even when the husband or man in the story is a truly awful person (& deliberately written as such). So, even though I'm still confused about LW - I'm glad I'm not imagining things?

LW has always had some not so desirable elements in its readership, but it has gotten progressively worse over the years as I call it "The rise of the incel" began.

There are good readers there, there are good stories there, good authors, but like we see in society itself, the worst of the lot is the noisiest and their relentless trolling, trashing, hateful comments and bullying has been slowly driving off the better class of author reader as they now try to demand only certain stories should be in the category, and unfortunately they have been winning to a point. Many people are now putting cuck stories in fetish. Less readers, but better scores and less nasty comments.

The best received stories for them are the burn the bitch stories where cheating wives are humiliated in some way, but also there's a lot of violence, rape, torture and other crap that doesn't belong being glorified as an erotic kink. but its what gets them off.

The biggest tell of the class or lack of there is the constant versions of another author's story who had some guy get cheated on and he chose to take the wife back. These people are such soft weak insecure 'men' they have to rewrite the story to where she gets hers in whatever ways. That's how bad it is there, they can't except the ending of someone else's fictional story.

But somewhere in there, there are still good folks and stories, its just getting harder to find them, and at this point the way to get a good score is to make the man noble and heroic and the woman evil. People will come in here and tell me I'm wrong, but they protest to loudly and in vain, the proof is there, I just mention what I see and experience.

To your comment about misogyny and anonymous, yes the site allowing anon to comment and vote has opened the flood gate to ignorance, hate speech, sexism, racism, homophobic comments and the site at this point screens comments, but let's these through, so its obvious they have no issue with it. Their excuse is the author can remove the comment, but in reality, many of these should not see the light of day. Saying you hate a story is one thing, but some of these comments that go on and on about what they'd do to the wife and man she's cheating with. personal attacks on authors and readers who likes the story have no right here, hate is not a kink.

Its been a downward spiral and at this point to get a good score requires either ass kissing the worst denominator there or putting way too much work into the puzzle of how can I not offend this faction while not offending this faction. I give credit to anyone who can manage this, its more effort than I'd want to put into a free story for a score.

As I mentioned in another thread I started some time back, cuck, hotwife, cheating, even heavy cuck humiliation stories do well for pay. Good sales and good comments. That material does well on Porn Hub and other sites, the videos are well voted with positive comments. Why? Because to buy a book or comment on a site you have to sign up, and people who want to just spew hate don't want to be known in anyway. So, the cuck genre is received the worst here, because they allow the worst to be able to have a voice here. I only see it continuing to get worse which sucks for the sane people there.

 

[Lifestyle66]

The Loving Wives category has a more diverse readership than most others. The issue I have with those who judge that audience is that they do so in their own ignorance.

There is no one story which has reactions from readers by which ANYONE can determine the motives for their reactions! Each story we write has too many variables to make such judgements.

Wife has extra-marital sex, ... with husband's consent or without? Consenting willingly or grudgingly? Does the husband know ahead of time or learns afterwards?

Is the husband involved with his own extra-marital sex? Or does the husband do it without the wife's consent with those same variables?

Is the story told from the husband's POV? The wife's POV? Her lover's POV? Or is it third person?

How long has the couple been married? Are they on their honeymoon/just married? Or have they been married and monogamous for forty years? Does the husband or wife have health/performance issues? Do they have kids? Are they young kids still living at home? Is there a risk of pregnancy, or is there a breeding fetish thrown in? What other tropes or fetishes are written into the story? Lover has a bigger cock? Wife is deliberately humiliating her husband? BBC/racism? Gay, Bi, or lesbian sex?

Does the couple remain together or divorce, and under what circumstances? Happily ever after? Or does someone gets BURNED? And how badly? Or is it merely a friendly divorce?

And all of these things are just affecting the scenario written into each very different story. THEN consider the quality of the writing and the length of the story. Some readers' opinions (reflected in their star click) go down as the story drags on, while others want longer slow burn stories. Are the sex scenes bland with no feeling? Or are they exciting and sensual?

There are just TOO MANY variables to make broad ASSumptions of the category audience. And some authors are making their ASSumptions after declaring that they don't even read LW stories!!!

The most we can surmise by READING the stories and comments is that there are readers who vehemently HATE (with their 1-star and comments) ALL extra-marital sex. And the average rating for the latest 25 stories in the category tend to be about 0.8 to 1.0 lower than the same in other categories.

Look at my two stories "Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words" and "Raging Hormones" (5.5K words.) That first brief scene of the wife returning home after cheating is rated 2.27, while the longer explanation of her situation which is written exactly the same into the second story is rated 3.13. This is objective proof that quality, story length, and even better explanations all combine to change your audience's opinions, because those two stories were posted to LW within 3 months of each other ... and both written by the same shitty author.


EDIT: One final note is that my latest story, "His Vixen" has the husband and wife remaining together after exploring a Stag/Vixen scenario, ... with the husband having exactly the same number of extra-marital partners as the wife under the same circumstances. There's no humiliation, and I even threw in a BBC to head of those racists who say "Wait until she goes Black, then she'll leave him". That story, now a month later is at 3.85. But I assume that is because I'm NOT a 4.5-level writer!!!

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

The Loving Wives category has a more diverse readership than most others. The issue I have with those who judge that audience is that they do so in their own ignorance.

There is no one story which has reactions from readers by which ANYONE can determine the motives for their reactions! Each story we write has too many variables to make such judgements.

Wife has extra-marital sex, ... with husband's consent or without? Consenting willingly or grudgingly? Does the husband know ahead of time or learns afterwards?

Is the husband involved with his own extra-marital sex? Or does the husband do it without the wife's consent with those same variables?

Is the story told from the husband's POV? The wife's POV? Her lover's POV? Or is it third person?

How long has the couple been married? Are they on their honeymoon/just married? Or have they been married and monogamous for forty years? Does the husband or wife have health/performance issues? Do they have kids? Are they young kids still living at home? Is there a risk of pregnancy, or is there a breeding fetish thrown in? What other tropes or fetishes are written into the story? Lover has a bigger cock? Wife is deliberately humiliating her husband? BBC/racism? Gay, Bi, or lesbian sex?

Does the couple remain together or divorce, and under what circumstances? Happily ever after? Or does someone gets BURNED? And how badly? Or is it merely a friendly divorce?

And all of these things are just affecting the scenario written into each very different story. THEN consider the quality of the writing and the length of the story. Some readers' opinions (reflected in their star click) go down as the story drags on, while others want longer slow burn stories. Are the sex scenes bland with no feeling? Or are they exciting and sensual?

There are just TOO MANY variables to make broad ASSumptions of the category audience. And some authors are making their ASSumptions after declaring that they don't even read LW stories!!!

The most we can surmise by READING the stories and comments is that there are readers who vehemently HATE (with their 1-star and comments) ALL extra-marital sex. And the average rating for the latest 25 stories in the category tend to be about 0.8 to 1.0 lower than the same in other categories.

Look at my two stories "Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words" and "Raging Hormones" (5.5K words.) That first brief scene of the wife returning home after cheating is rated 2.27, while the longer explanation of her situation which is written exactly the same into the second story is rated 3.13. This is objective proof that quality, story length, and even better explanations all combine to change your audience's opinions, because those two stories were posted to LW within 3 months of each other ... and both written by the same shitty author.

You're right. It's basically impossible to judge on ratings etc. & you're also right that I probably shouldn't think I can make sweeping judgements about the readers based on the few stories & comments I've read so far.

I will say that SO FAR I've seen far more 'cheating bitch' or 'cheating slut' comments under stories where the woman has sex with someone else, than the stories where the men do.

Genuine question because I'm STILL so genuinely confused - is the LW category meant to be sort of cuck-adjacent? Or where the husband is dominant? Or like, 'Trad Wife' stuff? I still can't seem to figure out what the theme/genre means. In the How To thread there's a basic list of the categories but for LW all it says are two types of storylines that might be worth putting in other categories. Which is great - those aren't LW - but what IS LW?

 

[lovecraft68]

The most we can surmise by READING the stories and comments is that there are readers who vehemently HATE (with their 1-star and comments) ALL extra-marital sex. And the average rating for the latest 25 stories in the category tend to be about 0.8 to 1.0 lower than the same in other categories.

The question is....why do these trolls continue to plague a category based on "adventurous wives" and infidelity as a sexual kink (not an endorsement of real life infidelity)

Are they the "I got off to it, now I'm mad and its your fault" crowd
Are they the weird 'moralists' that for whatever reason hang out on a porn site
Are they the mob crowd who sees this category as an easy place to spew whatever hate they want because it seems acceptable there?
The crowd that thinks they, better than the site and authors, know what should be in the category?
Is it that-to my first question-that they can't separate fiction from reality?

You can see this to lesser degrees in NC, I/T and GM, the "this is sick" crowd, but why are they there?

Its like complaining there's sex on an erotic story site.

 

[StillStunned]

Its like complaining there's sex on an erotic story site.

Some people thrive on being outraged. They actively go looking for things to be offended by, and take the existence of those things as evidence that they're justified in their outrage.

 

[lovecraft68]

Some people thrive on being outraged. They actively go looking for things to be offended by, and take the existence of those things as evidence that they're justified in their outrage.

Right, which makes Lit no different from any place else on the internet

 

[Lifestyle66]

You're right. It's basically impossible to judge on ratings etc. & you're also right that I probably shouldn't think I can make sweeping judgements about the readers based on the few stories & comments I've read so far.

I will say that SO FAR I've seen far more 'cheating bitch' or 'cheating slut' comments under stories where the woman has sex with someone else, than the stories where the men do.

Genuine question because I'm STILL so genuinely confused - is the LW category meant to be sort of cuck-adjacent? Or where the husband is dominant? Or like, 'Trad Wife' stuff? I still can't seem to figure out what the theme/genre means. In the How To thread there's a basic list of the categories but for LW all it says are two types of storylines that might be worth putting in other categories. Which is great - those aren't LW - but what IS LW?

I've stated before in other threads, and will say again...

The question is....why do these trolls continue to plague a category based on "adventurous wives" and infidelity as a sexual kink (not an endorsement of real life infidelity)

Are they the "I got off to it, now I'm mad and its your fault" crowd
Are they the weird 'moralists' that for whatever reason hang out on a porn site
Are they the mob crowd who sees this category as an easy place to spew whatever hate they want because it seems acceptable there?
The crowd that thinks they, better than the site and authors, know what should be in the category?
Is it that-to my first question-that they can't separate fiction from reality?

You can see this to lesser degrees in NC, I/T and GM, the "this is sick" crowd, but why are they there?

Its like complaining there's sex on an erotic story site.

As I've said: People come here to find stories, and they often try to find that which is on their own mind. I Know there are broken marriages due to infidelity, with both husbands and wives who were on the losing end of a cheating spouse divorce.

Look at all of the other category descriptions, and tell me WHERE ELSE might an outraged, divorced person find a cathartic story about a cheating spouse getting what they feel might be better than they received in their own life?

Those who would look for such stories don't want to read about "happily ever after" or even "go their separate ways" stories. They're looking for a BURN, to feel like there might be what they see as "justice" (in their own traumatized way.)

EDIT: They go to the category which is about "extra-marital sex"!

 

[lovecraft68]

I've stated before in other threads, and will say again...



As I've said: People come here to find stories, and they often try to find that which is on their own mind. I Know there are broken marriages due to infidelity, with both husbands and wives who were on the losing end of a cheating spouse divorce.

Look at all of the other category descriptions, and tell me WHERE ELSE might an outraged, divorced person find a cathartic story about a cheating spouse getting what they feel might be better than they received in their own life?

Those who would look for such stories don't want to read about "happily ever after" or even "go their separate ways" stories. They're looking for a BURN, to feel like there might be what they see as "justice" (in their own traumatized way.)

EDIT: They go to the category which is about "extra-marital sex"!

Catharsis isn't the right word here. Catharsis is a way to get out some feelings but many of these people just get angry and lose their shit, that's not catharsis, that's deliberately fueling your own angst, or pure masochism.

I'm divorced, the final straw was infidelity on her part. This has happened to countless women and men out there and the vast majority do not come to a porn site and start screeching. The fact the overwhelming majority of these are men doesn't speak well for our gender. The majority of us move on with our lives. There might always be some negative feelings towards the ex, but to run to a story site and act like a mindless loon?

I'm never going to get off the fact that there are deranged angry and hate filled creeps over there. Is it everyone? Of course not, but your defense and denial of what a quagmire the category as a whole is turning into because of them is pure obstinance.

The category needs to be cleaned up, the site can do that in kicking back stories of pure violence and hate, actually screening comments and not letting the worst through and doubling down on what is allowed there and tossing anyone saying otherwise.

They choose not to clean up the neighborhood so the few good sorts left have to live in a slum.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Catharsis isn't the right word here. Catharsis is a way to get out some feelings but many of these people just get angry and lose their shit, that's not catharsis, that's deliberately fueling your own angst, or pure masochism.

I'm divorced, the final straw was infidelity on her part. This has happened to countless women and men out there and the vast majority do not come to a porn site and start screeching. The fact the overwhelming majority of these are men doesn't speak well for our gender. The majority of us move on with our lives. There might always be some negative feelings towards the ex, but to run to a story site and act like a mindless loon?

I'm never going to get off the fact that there are deranged angry and hate filled creeps over there. Is it everyone? Of course not, but your defense and denial of what a quagmire the category as a whole is turning into because of them is pure obstinance.

The category needs to be cleaned up, the site can do that in kicking back stories of pure violence and hate, actually screening comments and not letting the worst through and doubling down on what is allowed there and tossing anyone saying otherwise.

They choose not to clean up the neighborhood so the few good sorts left have to live in a slum.

Your own repeated comments (repeatedly repeated) here in the AH about all the misogynists in LW goes to show how triggered YOU (one person) can rant about that which triggers you.

With over EIGHT BILLION people on this planet, and MILLIONS (tens? hundreds?) of divorces, how many emotionally charged victims does it take to make a dent in the rating of the one category about extra-marital sex?


The site is not to blame for providing their free service to everyone. Your ability to use their service is paid for by the "clicks" they received in total, because that is the only objective measure of how much they can charge for their ad space! It is not in the site's best interest (nor ours as authors) for the site to ban people for merely expressing their own opinions. As an author, you have the choice to not accept comments or ratings, and you can delete any comments which YOU don't want!

To me, that sounds like a fair compromise by the site admins ... to give everyone a say in how to use their FREE SERVICE.