For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Did world war 3 happen yet?

Asking for a friend

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Did world war 3 happen yet?

Asking for a friend

LOL. Nope, and it's not happening because of Ukraine. The real WW3 will be with China, and it'll be economic and asymmetric. We're already fighting that one.

Ukraine/Russia is the 21st century version of the Spanish Civil War. A warning, a prelude, and a testing ground. A decisive defeat for Russia reduces the chances of a hot WW3 which is why it's so important we be seen to win, and Putin and Russian needs to go down, and the Russian Federation be destroyed and broken up.

 

[ll74]

LOL. Nope, and it's not happening because of Ukraine. The real WW3 will be with China, and it'll be economic and asymmetric. We're already fighting that one.

I remember when Japan was going to do it.

Weird.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I remember when Japan was going to do it.

Weird.

You do? Was that the while Japan military-industrial resurgence and imperialism thing? When was that? I thought that was just a few off-beat action novels.

 

[ll74]

You do? Was that the while Japan military-industrial resurgence and imperialism thing? When was that? I thought that was just a few off-beat action novels.

1980s.

They were going to dominate the world
It was in movies because people believed it


Fun

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Did world war 3 happen yet?

Asking for a friend

Still waiting for Armageddon lol

 

[colddiesel]

It looks like Russia is transferring some naval assets (whatever is left?) from Syria to Benghazi (Libya) Unclear what that means, but it seems that the Russians ability to transfer assets/personnel back through the straits to the Black sea will only be at Turkey's pleasure which may be slow in coming. Their only alternative to get men and materiel home would be via Murmansk in the Baltic. It reflects again Russia's total inability to project power outside the Eurasian land mass. Strategically it is far more important than the US leaving Afghanistan because the US has a powerful carrier fleet and bases access in Cyprus and Diego Garcia in particular.

Indirectly, the Ukraine issue has helped the isolation of Russia from the Med and its access to Africa. The detail of how this conundrum will develop for Russia is very unclear at present.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Still waiting for Armageddon lol

I think we must've missed it over Christmas or something. Never mind - we can start anticipating the India-Chinese war, or the Chinese Conquest of Siberia or something.

 

[Justplainjeff]

James Comer: FBI Doc Alleges ‘Business Person from Ukraine’ Sent ‘Substantial Bribe’ to VP Biden​

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The FBI’s informant file of a $5 million bribery scheme allegedly linked to President Joe Biden concerns the family’s business deals in Ukraine, House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) revealed Monday.

In May, Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) made bombshell claims after reviewing an FBI FD-1023 form that documented the informant’s allegations of an alleged bribery scheme involving an exchange of money for policy decisions between now-President Joe Biden and a foreign national. Comer disclosed the informant tip is dated June 30, 2020.

“Yes, it is Ukraine,” Comer told The Just the News. “This form 1023 involves a business person from Ukraine, who allegedly sent a bribe, a substantial bribe to then Vice President Joe Biden.”

The Biden family frequently visited Ukraine for its respective business. Then-Vice President Joe Biden served as the Obama administration’s Ukrainian “point person” on U.S. foreign policy. He visited Ukraine six times while serving as vice president.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...m-ukraine-sent-substantial-bribe-to-vp-biden/

I said long ago there is good reason to believe that Joe Biden has been compromised by Ukraine and other countries.

You forgot to add that Honest Hunter Biden was on the board of the Ukrainian oil company, while daddy was VP! And the Dumbs think Trump is crooked. Wow.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It looks like Russia is transferring some naval assets (whatever is left?) from Syria to Benghazi (Libya) Unclear what that means, but it seems that the Russians ability to transfer assets/personnel back through the straits to the Black sea will only be at Turkey's pleasure which may be slow in coming. Their only alternative to get men and materiel home would be via Murmansk in the Baltic. It reflects again Russia's total inability to project power outside the Eurasian land mass. Strategically it is far more important than the US leaving Afghanistan because the US has a powerful carrier fleet and bases access in Cyprus and Diego Garcia in particular.

Indirectly, the Ukraine issue has helped the isolation of Russia from the Med and its access to Africa. The detail of how this conundrum will develop for Russia is very unclear at present.

Interesting geopolitical ramifications aren't they. Russia's been trying for warm water bases since the days of Peter the Great - and Putin has not only eliminated that, he's made Sevastopol, Russia's Black Sea fortress, untenable, and the Black Sea as a Russian Lake has been pretty much removed from the equation - and you can bet whatever else happens, Ukraine will ensure the Black Sea is more of a Ukrainian / Turkish Lake after this, because that will be the focus of the Ukrainian Navy going forward - unlike Russia, Ukraine makes no pretense of being a World Power. BUT Ukraine is actively and aggressively countering Russian in the Middle East and in Africa. Successfully too.

Ukraine is now buddying up to Syria as well as to Turkey - grain shipments to Syria underway in 1...2...3... this is good, because Ukraine will be a neutral (w/ regard to Israel) and stabilizing influence. I can see something similar happening in Georgia and Armenia in the not too distant future. Armenia in particular, and again, Ukraine is rather more neutral and somebody all parties can trust - and after this war is done, with the military strength as well.

As for a withdrawal to Libya, it's the only port left to them and you can bet Ukraine is soon going to show up their too. If I was a Libyan or African state, I'd be more afraid of the end result of buddying up with Russian than anything else. Assad's problem was, all he had was Russian and Iran - and his own soldiers had no real skin in the game.

As for the Russian Navy, they're screwed. The Baltic is a NATO lake now, and Murmansk is what it always has been - remote and easily monitored and far away from anywhere - and Russian nuclear submarines are an irrelevance now, really. Ukraine has made sure Russia is no longer seen as a World Power - a local military threat to be sure, but the Russian Federation is going to dissolve soon enough. Siberia is just too attractive to the Chinese in the long haul and when the Russian economy, Russia, and the Russian military collapses, as they will, there's a lot up for grabs.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

Interesting geopolitical ramifications aren't they.

What I don't understand is: Why, once the Assad regime fell, didn't the Ukrainian operators move to the russian bases and schwack the cargo planes while on the ground? Seems like a big miss.

 

[ChloeTzang]

What I don't understand is: Why, once the Assad regime fell, didn't the Ukrainian operators move to the russian bases and schwack the cargo planes while on the ground? Seems like a big miss.

I doubt whatever operators Ukraine had/has in Syria were prepared for the collapse of the Assad regime - it happened so fast - and those Russian bases still had a lot of Russians - I think the Syrian resistance wanted them out, rather than having to fight them.... and I don't know if anyone has any real idea how many Ukrainians were in Syria. I doubt there were many.

 

[Lazaran]

LOL. Proving yet again that that the Biden Administration has been screwing Ukraine over and slow walking aid for the last 3 years. This is all aid that should have been provided over the last two years where it would have been REALLY useful. As it is, it simply proves that the Biden Administration was simply keeping Ukraine on a tight leash by restricting their supply of key ammunition in particular, all in a useless attempt to provide Putin with an off-ramp he will never take. Also proves the whole ammo shortage was engineered by Biden, and was completely needless, but nevertheless resulted in key positions being lost and thousands of Ukrainian soldiers dyeing to help Democratic Party political posturing. Revolting and sickening political malarkey from the traitorous Biden Administration who, thank god, will soon be gone.

All this last minute flood of dollars is NOT to help Ukraine - if that was the intention it would have been spread over the last two years - Biden has ALWAYS had this funding available and could have done this on an ongoing basis, when it would have seriously helped Ukraine. If Harris had been elected (puke), this funding would have simply expired, unused. The only reason it's happening now is the traitors illegitimately and traitorously running the USA in Biden's name are trying to screw Trump over before the handover.

Now, my guess is, Trump will simply say nothing and this aid will all go through with no moves to cancel anything after Jan 20th - it simply helps Trump, who has no intention of walking away and abandoning Ukraine, and allows him to keep the anti-Ukraine aid patriots happy - because Biden can carry the can for all this spending, Which WILL help Ukraine.

In the meantime, he can position the negotiations with Putin, which WILL fail because Putin's demands are NOT ones that the USA could ever accept, as having failed due to Russian intransigence, which they will because they are, and Trump can then do exactly what he said he would do, and flood Ukraine with more weapons - a few hundred Bradleys and more F16's would go a LONG way to changing the balance quickly. More Abrams would be nice, but it's good IFV's and equipment for the existing Brigades that don't have it, along with HIMARS, air defence, and artillery ammo that Ukraine needs badly. BUT to keep a lot of the base happy, Russia needs to be seen as turning down perfectly reasonable agreements first - and Putin can be guaranteed to do that, this allowing Trump to position himself as, "well, I tried, but that Putin, well...."

Trump can then open the floodgates and supply the weapons the Biden Administration has failed to deliver the the last three years. Cheaply. Because he can sell them to Ukraine at book value via land-lease. No loan. Ukraine will pay. But they will not pay the inflated "replacement cost" meaning they can afford to take the loans.....

Realpolitik by everyone - Biden, Trump, Ukraine.

Of course they will reject them. Putin can hardly afford to accept them. Not after almost a million casualties. The war will continue. Russia is on it's next to last legs. Their armor is almost gone. Ukraine now has more effective artillery and more accurate. Drone production is stepping up exponentially. The drone wars are only beginning. A Ukrainian sea drone just shot done a Russian helicopter off the Crimean coast - Russia has already lost the naval war. They are on the verge of losing the air war.

Once the Russian glide-bomb threat is reduced, Russia will have lost the air war....and Russian manpower is running down. They are close to being unable to keep running the human wave tactics that have kept them in the war for the last year. European support is building - Lynx and Fuchs IFV's will be rolling off the production lines, and god knows what else will be delivered. 2025 is the year this war will turn in Ukraine's favor and Ukraine will be able to take the initiative.

Russia will reject two reported Trump proposals to end war in Ukraine, says Kremlin​

Ukraine's GUR Successfully Destroys Aerial Target with Magura V5 Naval Drone.​

On December 31, 2024, the Ukrainian Defense Intelligence special unit “Group 13” achieved an unprecedented military feat by destroying an aerial target using the Magura V5 naval drone. This marks the first instance in history where a naval drone, armed with missile weaponry, has been employed to neutralize an airborne threat.
The R-73 missile, in its "Sea Dragon" adaptation for naval platforms, represents a significant leap in weapon system versatility. Originally developed as a short-range, air-to-air missile with infrared homing capabilities, its thrust-vectoring nozzles and wide-angle seeker have been repurposed to engage aerial targets from a surface platform. This adaptation involved reengineering launch mechanisms and fire control systems to ensure compatibility with the Magura V5’s autonomous operational profile. The missile’s infrared guidance allows it to effectively track heat-emitting targets, even under high-mobility conditions, making it especially lethal against rotary-wing aircraft such as the Mi-8.

During the operation near Cape Tarkhankut, Crimea, the Magura V5’s advanced detection and targeting systems identified the Russian Mi-8 helicopters. Likely utilizing a combination of radar and electro-optical/infrared sensors, the drone locked onto the targets before launching the R-73 missile. One helicopter was destroyed in mid-flight, while a second sustained critical damage but managed to retreat to its base. The precision of this engagement highlights the effectiveness of integrating sophisticated missile systems with unmanned platforms.

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Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang is an imbecile and a traitor.



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang makes one histrionic post accusing President Biden of fucking up the war effort in Ukraine, and then follows it up with a post that says “Russia is on its next to last legs” due to the war and how it was / is being prosecuted by the Ukrainians with support from the west. (Which has currently avoided the use of tactical nukes, etc, by Russia that an overwhelming western response likely would have triggered, and hedging against a Ukrainian capitulation / regime change right after a massive / advanced technological support package was delivered.)

You. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.



Chloe “Chicomgo” Tzang



President Biden has managed the support of Ukraine EXACTLY right.

THANKS PRESIDENT BIDEN!!!





Slava Ukrani!!!

 

[Politruk]

LOL. Nope, and it's not happening because of Ukraine. The real WW3 will be with China, and it'll be economic and asymmetric. We're already fighting that one.

Don't worry, we can win that one by genocide, with carpet-nukes.

It worked in The Turner Diaries.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang makes one histrionic post accusing President Biden of fucking up the war effort in Ukraine, and then follows it up with a post that says “Russia is on its next to last legs” due to the war and how it was / is being prosecuted by the Ukrainians with support from the west. (Which has currently avoided the use of tactical nukes, etc, by Russia that an overwhelming western response likely would have triggered, and hedging against a Ukrainian capitulation / regime change right after a massive / advanced technological support package was delivered.)

You. Can’t. Make. This. Shit. Up.

Oh Laz Laz Laz, YOU are making this shit up. The billions Biden is "suddenly" throwing at Ukraine IS the "overwhelming aid" the Biden Maladministration was always so "scared" of handing over in huge amounts because they were so timid. It's the funding they have had all year and not used. It's the funding Biden had when we cut off Ukraine's 155mm ammo supply in an attempt to leverage domestic US political issues of off Ukrainian soldiers lives, the evil little shitstain on US politics that he has always been. Ball-less chickenshits is what they were and it was nothing to do with the use of tactical nukes by Russia. THAT would have triggered an overwhelming NATO response, and Putin's always known that. All this proves is exactly what I said. The Biden Administration has been playing Ukraine from the start.

Biden gave Putin the go ahead at the start, just as Biden and Obama did over Crimea, and only supported Ukraine reluctantly when they didn't fold like Democrats at a BLM rally. Or Democrats running an Afghanistan withdrawal. Whatever. Nah, it's exactly what I said it was and no amount of bullshit can hide that. Stop making excuses for the Biden Administrations many failures and have faith in our next President, who, whatever his faults, has the balls and the drive to get things done effectively.

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[Lazaran]

Oh Laz Laz Laz, YOU are making this shit up. The billions Biden is "suddenly" throwing at Ukraine IS the "overwhelming aid" the Biden Maladministration was always so "scared" of handing over in huge amounts because they were so timid. It's the funding they have had all year and not used. It's the funding Biden had when we cut off Ukraine's 155mm ammo supply in an attempt to leverage domestic US political issues of off Ukrainian soldiers lives, the evil little shitstain on US politics that he has always been. Ball-less chickenshits is what they were and it was nothing to do with the use of tactical nukes by Russia. THAT would have triggered an overwhelming NATO response, and Putin's always known that. All this proves is exactly what I said. The Biden Administration has been playing Ukraine from the start.

Biden gave Putin the go ahead at the start, just as Biden and Obama did over Crimea, and only supported Ukraine reluctantly when they didn't fold like Democrats at a BLM rally. Or Democrats running an Afghanistan withdrawal. Whatever. Nah, it's exactly what I said it was and no amount of bullshit can hide that. Stop making excuses for the Biden Administrations many failures and have faith in our next President, who, whatever his faults, has the balls and the drive to get things done effectively.

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Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang needs to get their right wing talking points straight.

Did President Biden give TOO MANY BILLIONS to Ukraine, or did President Biden give TOO FEW BILLIONS to Ukraine???



Chloe “Chicomgo” Tzang

 

[Politruk]

It's the funding they have had all year and not used.

How do you know that?

 

[colddiesel]

In case you missed it, Russia's ability to pipeline gas to the EU decreased by 95% yesterday - the contract to allow access ran out 31/12/24. Serbia and Hungary will still obtain supplies but 95% of this market is now cut off. The USA and Middle East will be the main beneficiaries in exporting LN gas to the EU. China will take more Russian gas but has only done so at savagely discounted prices.

 

[Politruk]

In case you missed it, Russia's ability to pipeline gas to the EU decreased by 95% yesterday - the contract to allow access ran out 31/12/24. Serbia and Hungary will still obtain supplies but 95% of this market is now cut off. The USA and Middle East will be the main beneficiary in exporting LN gas to the EU. China will take more Russian gas but has only done so at savagely discounted prices.

Is that bad news for the EU?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Is that bad news for the EU?

Nope. There are other sources and its not as if no-one knew this was coming. And don't forget, Biden put a nail to us doing LNG exports to the EU I recall. Trump will open those floodgates again and we'll be moving back to being an oil and gas exporter big time. More exports for the USA, EU dependency on Russia eliminated.....

It's bad news for Russia all round, and once we (USA) gets into that market, Russia's never getting it back.

Icing on the cake - Trudeau will be gone in 2025, faded away like a bad smell, and Pierre will be opening up Canadian oil and gas, fast tracking pipelines and exports. North American oil and gas reserves can run the world for a few hundred more years......

 

[ChloeTzang]

How do you know that?

Look at the bills that Congress passed. Some of this is from the President's drawdown authority, the rest is funding that Congress approved way back end of last year I think it was when they were all busy squabbling over Ukraine Aid and Israel and all the rest of it. Those billions have been their all thru 2024, sad to say.....and no prep work done to haul Bradley's out of storage and get then ready to go......more wasted time. They could have done that without committing to sending them but no, just more fucking around.....

We have thousands of Strykers, Bradley's and Abrams sitting in storage. We have hundreds of F16's and A10's, We have Blackhawks that Biden is giving away but they won't even sell them to Ukraine. We have hundreds of old 155mm guns, the old M198's - we have 350 in storage, perfectly good guns that we will never use again. These could have been refurbished and handed over 2 years ago when Ukraine desperately needed more guns - and they still do. Criminal that nothing has been done to get these out of mothballs, refurbished and shipped out - or just handed over to Ukraine for them to fix up themselves.

No, the Biden Administration has not done a lot to actually help Ukraine win. What they have done is kept them on life support, stalling and prevaricating and making promises while delivering as little as possible and getting in the way of others who want to deliver. It's been a shameful performance all round. It'd be hard to make us look worse in fact. It's so appallingly bad that you have to think it's been deliberate right from the start. No-one could accidentally be this incompetent across the board.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang needs to get their right wing talking points straight.

Did President Biden give TOO MANY BILLIONS to Ukraine, or did President Biden give TOO FEW BILLIONS to Ukraine???

Laz Laz Laz. Irrelevant. Biden has had the billions available ALL YEAR. He chose to use them right at the end of his term, contradicting everything they have said all year. ANd doing this deliberately to fuck with the Trump Administration. Politics....all politics.

And he's not giving BILLIONS to Ukraine, altho there is some govt funding there, which is fucking criminal. That money is, as it always has been, the cost of replacing what we send to Ukraine, NOT the cost of what's going to Ukraine, which at book value is at best about 5-10% of what's budgeted. It's a shell game and its pathetic, but it is what it is. It's just disgusting that this money, which has been there and budgeted for from the start of this year, has not been used through the year to actually help Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]