Rightguide
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Bullshit. If Biden had kept Trump's economic sanctions against Iran instead of funding their ability to wage war there wouldn't have been a war. Joe enabled the whole thing.
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Rightard keeps peddling that ^ lie.
Iran continued to fund its proxies AND ramped up its nuclear and missile programs after DonOld’s "maximum pressure" strategy and his collapsing of the JCPOA. The Iranian PEOPLE did suffer from austerity hardships due to the tightening of Iran’s economic situation - and then they suffered from government brutality when some of them protested the austerity hardships - but the Iranian government and military kept keeping on with their agendas. (accelerating their agendas in most cases).
Iran also became closer to Russia (exactly what Putin wanted, naturally) after DonOld’s foreign policy blunders involving Iran, etc.
DonOld also assassinated Iran’s national hero, Qasem Soleimani, which directly contributed to the 10/7 attack on Israel, etc.
Hope that ^ helps.
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RobDownSouth
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The rules are different when war has been formally declared.
Taking out legitimate strategic targets (oil fields, airports, supply depots, etc) are a necessary function of successful prosecution of a war, and some civilian casualties are inevitable.
Compare and contrast that to the wholesale slaughter of Gazan civilians, Israel has been deliberately and with malice aforethought been targeting refugee camps, hospitals, and relief convoys. All done under the flimsiest of pretenses ("there were TUNNELS!" "We had 'credible' reports of Hamas!" "Those medical supplies could have reached soldiers!")
The Israeli genocide campaign is nothing but state-sanction terrorism on a scale seldom seen before, driven by cruelty and a thirst for vengeance.
THE LATEST FROM ALJAZEERA ON THE POTOMAC, AKA THE WASHINGTON POST: Phony stats from the Hamas-controlled Gaza “Health Ministry” are accepted without question, but stats provided by Israel are “without evidence.” One might also note the generosity of calling a terrorist massacre an invasion by “fighters” and the falsity of calling Israel subsequent war to dislodge Hamas a “retaliatory campaign.”
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The US never declared war on NKorea or Vietnam
Link to so called dead Gaza civilans?
dmallord
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Casualty rates are not what determines a 'legitimate' war.
They reflect the sustainability of a warring faction to carry forth its agenda.
In Gaza, that threshold of combatant KIA has not been reached. Unfortunately, too large a number of casualties are on the civilian side of the war, as this is not a conventional combat. Combatants on the Hamas side hold to none of the conventions of war. Your points, as such, are specious.
Rightguide
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War was declared on Hamas by the Israeli govermment. It goes without saying that action taken after a surprise attack is a declaration of war. The Israelis declared early on their intent to destroy Hamas and its supporters.
Much of what I have bolded is bullshit propaganda.
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So, jaF0, are you a pro hamas as fan of the total destruction of Israel? Aside from the FACT, that if Hamas is distroyed, Israel would leave Gaza alone. This must have escaped your narrow mind.
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No war wasn't declared. There's just the usual "hit me, I hit you back' crap that the Mideast has engaged in for hundreds of years.
Israel took their vengeance too far this time and is now concentrating on obliterating every man, woman and child in Gaza. Arabs are noticing this too, and in the future, not now perhaps but definitely within the next generation, there will be a reckoning the likes of which Israel could never dream of.....and Trump won't be around to provide unconditional US support for the barbaric Israelis.
Rightguide
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While there was no formal "declaration of war" document, Israel's actions and official rhetoric made clear that the government regarded the conflict as a full-scale military engagement against Hamas, amounting to a state of war. It's quite obvious that Israel made it clear that it intends to pursue a state of war until it decides its security concerns have been satisfied.
Israel's decision to not issue a formal declaration of war against Hamas is not a legal problem under international law. Israel's response to an armed attack by a non-state actor (Hamas) falls within its right to self-defense, as provided by the UN Charter. Israel's actions are in line with established practices in modern warfare, where formal declarations of war are less common, especially in conflicts involving non-state actors. However, that does not mean that Israel's military conduct would not be subject to international scrutiny, no less than any of our non declared wars were subject to the bedwetting of the left.
The Gaza war is not going on because of anything Iran did. Hamas is not Hezbollah -- the two are not even on speaking terms -- Sunni vs. Shi'a.
Has it never occurred to you that they should have been?
If the OTs were independent, Hamas would leave Israel alone, despite stated policy to the contrary.
dmallord
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Terrorists do not conventionally fight a formally declared war, do they? They lack the standing of being a formalized nation and do not abide by acceptable rules of combat engagement. I can feel your anguish over the civilian losses. It is a tragedy of epic proportions. I don't see that a civilized resolution is in the wings. It seems that a brutal beat down is the only means of capping the conflict, just as in WWI and WWII, and the stalemate between North and South Korea was capped and left simmering or, more aptly put, 'festering' along the borders. Vietnam lies were a whole different subject and a cautionary tale we must never forget.
FYI, Israel declared war on Hamas. See, CNN article on the declaration of war. It came after Hamas attacked Israel with the stated aim of eradicating all Jews.
Surprisingly, you have some conflict in your thoughts here. It seems okay to say some targets are legitimate and acceptable, with some civilian casualties also inevitable. You accept small numbers as inevitable.
Then, counter that by saying enemy combatants that use human shields in hospitals where tunnels and tactical equipment are hidden are not okay as targets, as they result in the loss of more significant civilian casualties. You passionately call that genocide as hospitals are identified as combat zones with more loss of life. That doesn't follow the logic of your first premise.
In your battle plans, you would have a standing order that no one could fire on your enemy unless under direct attack in areas without civilians. Of course, the other side would also abide by that, and you could then proceed to have a 'civil' warfare scenario. Would that be acceptable and ease your mind over the losses?
In the latter case, I'm guessing you might be okay with the slaughter of the Hamas military members as a successful prosecution of the war... and possibly some civilian casualties as inevitable. I wish you luck in gathering the Hamas teams together to agree that they will openly stand and fight it out to provide your anguish with some solace. Meanwhile, the 'undeclared war' keeps killing its enemies. And civilians are caught between them.
Attempting to introduce civility into a terrorist war is akin to convincing Sancho Panza to cease tilting at windmills. That is not going to happen.
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Has it ever occurred to you that prevailing nations glorify their victories and make heroes of those generals? Only the opposing side's generals and sometimes the leaders get hanged.
It would help your reasoning to refresh your memory by re-reading some history books about wars and their outcomes, such as the Nuremberg Trials. Many were tried, and untold thousands were not, but those who supported the actions of those leaders and the millions of silent bystanders who allowed it to happen as they watched were not.
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Hamas exists for the explicit purpose of committing genocide against the Jews. As long as they exist they will never leave Israel alone.
Sancho Panza never did that.
They will if they get what they really want, which is independence.
Hamas will exist so long as the territories are not independent.
dmallord
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Okay, his sidekick did, but Sancho was a consultant in the windmill affair! So sue me for 'reckless endangerment of a fictional character.' It's been a good six decades since I read about Don Quixote De La Mancha.
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Hamas wants all the territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea to be under Arab control which means the eradication of Israel and the extermination of the Jews in the Middle East.
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Iran has been sponsoring Hamas since the nineties.
Hezbollah and Houthis are also Iran's proxies.
The fall of Assad is an interesting knock-on effect of Israel ignoring even their allies requests to rein in their military activities and the Mullahs in Iran are looking more vulnerable now than any time I can remember.
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