We really need to be paying attention re: the UnitedHealth CEO being gunned down...

[Philthy_Phil]

But he's so progressive!! AND GOOD LOOKING!!!!!! LOL

Your attraction to him is irrelevant.

 

[UltraChad]

Your attraction to him is irrelevant.

He's still PROGRESSIVE!! And that's all that really matters.

Anything else is a NAZI!!!

 

[UltraChad]

“Best healthcare”

That's why all the riches around the world come here to get it.

If you have the money, the USA hands down has the best HC on the planet. It's not even a competition.

What part of “worst outcomes” do you not understand?

Chad is too dense to understand the world around him.

I understand you conflate "unequal outcomes" with "worst outcomes".

Your whole premise that "better" is defined by equity is absurd communist derp to be disregarded by anyone with an IQ above room temp.

 

[ChloeTzang]

NHS medical services actually work pretty well. It is the government's attempts to micro manage it with a vast and busybody bureaucracy which causes most of the stuff ups.

NZ is probably the best of the socialized systems but with only 5 million population it doesn't have an army of clerks and managers to obstruct services'

My two elder sisters both studied Medicine in Edinburgh, both married Americans, and both practiced in Washington State. They both seem to share the opinion that the NHS is too big to be efficient and the US Insurance companies are also far too big and remote from their client base.

Yeah. I never heard anyone in NZ complain about the healthcare system but I wasn't there that long, but I did talk to a couple of nurses I met there. Seems pretty well run in general and they have a different setup, where all the hospital care is free, but you pay for GP services - and they have healthcare plans too but because of the free hospital stuff, there's a lot less issues.

The other thing they have, which I read up on because I found it really interesting, was a thing called the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) https://www.acc.co.nz/ - which is a Govt corp. responsible for an all inclusive no-fault accidental injury compensation scheme that covers financial compensation and support to citizens, residents, and temporary visitors - so even tourists are covered - who have suffered work and non-work related personal injuries. They cover treatment costs, lost earnings and disability assistance and eliminated almost all personal injury related legal shit. It's financed by a taxation levy, and also uses the premiums to invest and generate investment income to finance itself. Seems to work pretty well from what I read, and it covers everything injury-related (not health or sickness) and it seems to have done away with crazy litigation.

Looks like a really good idea to me. It'd be nice to see one of the State Govts try something like this here and see how it works.

 

[TheScarletBlade]

I'm just gonna slide in here on the healthcare only argument: I think a 60/40 system like Japan could work well in the US.

As for the killing of a Healthcare CEO and the Lefties happy about it: I dont think we could condone the killing of any innocent person walking out of a hotel.

 

[UltraChad]

I'm just gonna slide in here on the healthcare only argument: I think a 60/40 system like Japan could work well in the US.

As for the killing of a Healthcare CEO and the Lefties happy about it: I dont think we could condone the killing of any innocent person walking out of a hotel.

Yea but practical/real public HC solutions/policy are met with hostility by the left.

I'm convinced if Orange Hitler came out in support of a super affordable public HC system right now, Demcorats would demonize it and demand it be done their way. Because getting people HC isn't the point .....punishing/hurting people who have more than the comrades, is the point.

 

[RoryN]

UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooter's Possible Jacket Flying Off Shelves ...Thanks to Internet Sleuths

https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/07/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooter-jacket-selling-levis-macys-website/​

 

[MajorRewrite]

That's why all the riches around the world come here to get it.

If you have the money, the USA hands down has the best HC on the planet. It's not even a competition.

Your premise isn’t true. The richest people travel to whatever specialist is rated best for that problem. The top specialists are not all in the US.

The #1 medical tourism destination is Canada.

I understand you conflate "unequal outcomes" with "worst outcomes".

Your whole premise that "better" is defined by equity is absurd communist derp to be disregarded by anyone with an IQ above room temp.

As usual, you are spewing nonsense. I don’t conflate “unequal” with “worst”. I said nothing about equity at all; that’s all you.

“Worst outcomes” in the study means the US had the most avoidable deaths.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Yea but practical/real public HC solutions/policy are met with hostility by the left.

I'm convinced if Orange Hitler came out in support of a super affordable public HC system right now, Demcorats would demonize it and demand it be done their way. Because getting people HC isn't the point .....punishing/hurting people who have more than the comrades, is the point.

Your constant use of doublespeak is truly weird.

The right wing in the US is adamantly opposed to healthcare reform of any kind. That’s why the Republican Party has no healthcare policy except for Trump’s imaginary “concept of a plan”.

The Republicans even oppose Medicare negotiating pharmaceutical prices, because it saves too much money. MAGAs are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[UltraChad]

Your premise isn’t true.
The richest people travel to whatever specialist is rated best for that problem. The top specialists are not all in the US.

Not all, but most of them. So my premise isn't absolute, but it's mostly true.

As usual, you are spewing nonsense. I don’t conflate “unequal” with “worst”. I said nothing about equity at all; that’s all you.

That's what your links use to rate HC systems....accessibility and equity.

“Worst outcomes” in the study means the US had the most avoidable deaths.

Right...poors don't get the good stuff and die, inequity.

Thanks for agreeing with me while lacking the critical thinking skills to realize it.

Your constant use of doublespeak is truly weird.

What doublespeak??

The right wing in the US is adamantly opposed to healthcare reform of any kind.

No they don't. This is a total lie. Not wanting the HC reform YOU like doesn't mean they have no policy.

MAGAs are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

Then why is big Pharma and the Democrats so fucking terrified of RFK and MAGA??

Why were Democrats and their voters the ones licking big pharma's ass the whole way through covid?? And still lick the (D)/big pharma boot every chance they get.

I don't think it's MAGA who is in big pharma's pocket.

 

[MajorRewrite]

No they don't. This is a total lie. Not wanting the HC reform YOU like doesn't mean they have no policy.

You are ridiculous. The Republican Party has no healthcare policy and hasn’t had one for 30 years.

If you truly believe the Republican Party has a healthcare policy, provide evidence that it exists.

I don't think it's MAGA who is in big pharma's pocket.

MAGAs opposed the negotiated pharmaceutical prices by Medicare, because it reduces big pharma’s revenue.

 

[UltraChad]

You are ridiculous. The Republican Party has no healthcare policy and hasn’t had one for 30 years.

Not at all, I'm just not a lunatic leftist.

Again, not having a policy you like, isn't the same as not having a policy at all.

If you truly believe the Republican Party has a healthcare policy, provide evidence that it exists.

What part of the Republican Party??.....Neocons, Neoliberals, libertarians, religious cons, classical liberals, ethno-socialist, Christian nationalist, white nationalist....... they all got different policy ideas. The GOP is not some monolithic Borg collective hive mind propped up by millions of conformist NPC drones bud. We got all kinds of "not woketard USA haters" .

MAGAs opposed the negotiated pharmaceutical prices by Medicare, because it reduces big pharma’s revenue

Then why is big pharma attacking MAGA like the ultimate boogieman??

Why are democrats shilling for big pharma so hard for the last decade??

MAGA's are opposed to it because bureaucrats and corpos should never be left alone with the taxpayers checkbook....that has never once gone well for the taxpayers. Stay mad big pharma and their Democrat buddies are all going to get shit on soon.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Your constant use of doublespeak is truly weird.

The right wing in the US is adamantly opposed to healthcare reform of any kind. That’s why the Republican Party has no healthcare policy except for Trump’s imaginary “concept of a plan”.

The Republicans even oppose Medicare negotiating pharmaceutical prices, because it saves too much money. MAGAs are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

Bobo is an angry gaslighter.

Even more so since his fat goth girlfriend stopped letting him lick her sweaty armpits and kicked him out.

He's not to be taken seriously.

 

[UltraChad]

Bobo is an angry gaslighter.

Even more so since his fat goth girlfriend stopped letting him lick her sweaty armpits and kicked him out.

He's not to be taken seriously.

Bitter name caller can't actually participate.

Doesn't have the intellect for it.

 

[Politruk]

What part of the Republican Party??.....Neocons, Neoliberals, libertarians, religious cons, classical liberals, ethno-socialist, Christian nationalist, white nationalist....... they all got different policy ideas. The GOP is not some monolithic Borg collective hive mind propped up by millions of conformist NPC drones bud. We got all kinds of "not woketard USA haters" .

The Democratic Party is a coalition of interest groups. The Republican Party is an ideological party. Both parties are necessarily big tents. But the GOP is a Borg collective hive mind and has been since 1964 -- its politics have changed over time, but there is room for only one Republican orthodoxy at any given moment.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Bitter name caller can't actually participate.

Doesn't have the intellect for it.

Anyone can be a contrarian gaslighter, bobo.

That's the extent of your intellect.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[RandyRebecca]

It's heart warming how this has united ordinary Americans of Republicans, Democrats and Independents. Only the super rich RINOs and DINOs are appalled. The establishment don't see it as mass murder and impoverishment when United Healthcare turns down 32% of all health insurance claims to boost shareholder profits.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I'm just gonna slide in here on the healthcare only argument: I think a 60/40 system like Japan could work well in the US.

As for the killing of a Healthcare CEO and the Lefties happy about it: I dont think we could condone the killing of any innocent person walking out of a hotel.

The US needs a British or Cuban healthcare system. Nationalized universal healthcare free at the point of use. There shouldn't be a situation where paramedics and doctors check your purse before they check your pulse. Healthcare should be guaranteed for everyone and funded by the government.

 

[Politruk]

As for the killing of a Healthcare CEO and the Lefties happy about it: I dont think we could condone the killing of any innocent person walking out of a hotel.

Can't have a class war without shooting capitalists.

And we need a class war.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Can't have a class war without shooting capitalists.

And we need a class war.

Exactly. When a soldier kills an enemy soldier on the battlefield, it's not considered murder.

This is class war. Health insurance companies make a deliberate decision to sacrifice people's lifes, or their financial situation at least, to boost corporate profits. That is mass murder to the working class, but merely "business" to the corporates. It's not at all surprising that the mainstream media sides with the corporate viewpoint. That means that the mainstream media journalists are either out of touch with ordinary Americans (which is bad enough), or worse that they actually know the truth and simply don't care compared to the corporate profits to be made at everyone's expense.

 

[UltraChad]

The Democratic Party is a coalition of interest groups. The Republican Party is an ideological party. Both parties are necessarily big tents. But the GOP is a Borg collective hive mind and has been since 1964 -- its politics have changed over time, but there is room for only one Republican orthodoxy at any given moment.

100% pure projection.

 

[UltraChad]

Anyone can be a contrarian gaslighter, bobo.

That's the extent of your intellect.

Always with name calling.

It's literally all you're capable of..... like a perpetual 5 year old.

 

[ll74]

Always with name calling.

It's literally all you're capable of..... like a perpetual 5 year old.

But you haven't been here longer than a few months.
¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Always with name calling.

It's literally all you're capable of..... like a perpetual 5 year old.

Does me calling you Bobo upset you? lol

All you do is call everyone a democrat and a nazi like a perpetual 4 year old because that's all you're capable of doing. Literally.

So who is the fat goth getting reamed by now?