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We really need to be paying attention re: the UnitedHealth CEO being gunned down...

Yarglenurp said:
You just don’t get it. By putting an additional middleman between my health and providers, we are employing so many other people and helping put food, cocaine, and hookers on their yachts.
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And, ironically, there WOULD be a major disruption to U.S. healthcare services / the U.S. economy if the current system was suddenly upended and converted to a single payer system.

Too big (and complex) to fail.

🤬
 
Bray123 said:
Strange how every other developed country manages national health care at a far lower cost than the US model, which is set up purely for the profit of the shareholders instead of the health of the populace.
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Not the ones I know of. The UK's NHS is a failing mess.

Canada is province by province - each has their own system, they suck up dollars and they're not the best.

NZ and Oz are okay, I think, but I don't know a whole lot about them.
 
Lazaran said:
And, ironically, there WOULD be a major disruption to U.S. healthcare services / the U.S. economy if the current system was suddenly upended and converted to a single payer system.

Too big (and complex) to fail.

🤬
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I disagree. There are relatively few people making a killing under our current bloated medical industry system (doctors, hospital administrators, hospital corporations, drug makers, insurance executives, etc) but there would be millions of people saving money under a system modeled after any other nation.

The boost to the overall economy would be enormous and immediate.

US corporations would instantly become more competitive internationally too, because they would be freed from paying extortionate rates for employee health insurance.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Not the ones I know of. The UK's NHS is a failing mess.

Canada is province by province - each has their own system, they suck up dollars and they're not the best.

NZ and Oz are okay, I think, but I don't know a whole lot about them.
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There is no perfect system because fundamentally we don’t have free robots giving away free good healthcare.

But in the US, if you’re not wealthy, we get the confluence of “still sick/injured” and “family is bankrupt.” Most industrialized countries get one or the other. They don’t get both.

The reason for this is because only the US has been insane enough to allow such mass-scale privatization of healthcare as a whole. Everyone, in every country, is getting money from the same core people… the patient and taxpayer. But unlike in basically every other country, the US is extremely hands-off about the care and the cost of care. So, every profit-seeking behavior that makes money is rewarded, and there’s no punishment outside of economic ones for adding another middleman to the layers between me and my healthcare provider.

At this point, the insurance companies have been so good at keeping government out of healthcare that they are practically acting like the government. Except, unlike the government, they don’t answer to voters, they answer to shareholders.
 
Yarglenurp said:
The reason for this is because only the US has been insane enough to allow such mass-scale privatization of healthcare as a whole.
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That's just it, it's not actually privatized, it's a government created, enabled and protected cartel. Economically speaking is actually quite fascistic.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Not the ones I know of. The UK's NHS is a failing mess.

Canada is province by province - each has their own system, they suck up dollars and they're not the best.

NZ and Oz are okay, I think, but I don't know a whole lot about them.
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🙄

Yarglenurp said:
There is no perfect system because fundamentally we don’t have free robots giving away free good healthcare.

But in the US, if you’re not wealthy, we get the confluence of “still sick/injured” and “family is bankrupt.” Most industrialized countries get one or the other. They don’t get both.

The reason for this is because only the US has been insane enough to allow such mass-scale privatization of healthcare as a whole. Everyone, in every country, is getting money from the same core people… the patient and taxpayer. But unlike in basically every other country, the US is extremely hands-off about the care and the cost of care. So, every profit-seeking behavior that makes money is rewarded, and there’s no punishment outside of economic ones for adding another middleman to the layers between me and my healthcare provider.

At this point, the insurance companies have been so good at keeping government out of healthcare that they are practically acting like the government. Except, unlike the government, they don’t answer to voters, they answer to shareholders.
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Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang will figure it out…eventually…maybe…

😑

👉 Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang 🤣

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Bbl87 said:
It can. But it happening seemingly on 3 consecutive shots would be an indicator of an equipment mismatch.

My guess is, he was running a suppressor and using subsonic ammo, which for minimal report makes sense. But you also need to respring the pistol at that point because in all liklihood the slide won't cycle fully (which is what it looked like happened). A "professional" wouldn't use that kind of setup because if the first shot isn't "effective" and/or the target fights back, you could be in a world of hurt.

That being said, he did look like he at least was somewhat proficient with his weapon of choice, so I'll give him that.
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So probably not a MAGA.
 
There is some speculation among law enforcement that he may have hired his own assassin.
 
MajorRewrite said:
The poors can't afford the good shit. 👍
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Fixed your post. And you're right.....equity is bad though, I don't want equity, I want the best HC.

Just like all the people with means from all those other countries with "better" healthcare come to the USA to get the good shit.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Not the ones I know of. The UK's NHS is a failing mess.

NZ and Oz are okay, I think, but I don't know a whole lot about them.
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NHS medical services actually work pretty well. It is the government's attempts to micro manage it with a vast and busybody bureaucracy which causes most of the stuff ups.

NZ is probably the best of the socialized systems but with only 5 million population it doesn't have an army of clerks and managers to obstruct services'

My two elder sisters both studied Medicine in Edinburgh, both married Americans, and both practiced in Washington State. They both seem to share the opinion that the NHS is too big to be efficient and the US Insurance companies are also far too big and remote from their client base.
 
UltraChad said:
Fixed your post. And you're right.....equity is bad though, I don't want equity, I want the best HC.

Just like all the people with means from all those other countries with "better" healthcare come to the USA to get the good shit.
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“Best healthcare” 😆

What part of “worst outcomes” do you not understand?

Chad is too dense to understand the world around him.
 
No, this person "knows" what he doing with murder for hire, he/she/they/them was meticulous in the planning and execution (pun intended) the firearm didn't jam ,didn't malfunction the apparent "malfunction" was planned... I'll explain, he/she/they/them stacked the magazine with live ammo (most likely "full house"rounds) , last round, clean, next round had the inscription on the case, next round clean, next round inscribed, and so on..... in the available video the gun fires cycles and returns to battery the assassin clears that round, stripping the next "clean" from the magazine intentionally leaving the message to be discovered 🙄 by law inforcement..... as a side note I highly suspect the firearm to be well tuned, my guess it's a Smith or cz just say'in....... anyway the individual is long gone ,like smoke in the wind.......
 
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