Why...?

[Conager]

I was referring to where you partially quoted me...

Again, please remember, I am the one that got jumped simply for saying that I am a Christian and lust just like any other human on the planet...

No more, no less, I didn't call anyone out for their lust, I confessed my own.

But regardless. If I had come here, never posted anything sexual, never PM'd a woman EVER and said, "Jesus Christ said if you lust after a woman in your heart, you are guilty of committing adultery," I would have been attacked just as vigorously by the SAME people, just for different reasons this time...

Which is kinda the reason for the WHY? Thread. It doesn't matter what you believe, many will disagree with you no matter WHAT you say...

There is <<<your>>> fantasy again. Stated more plainly this time.

No one "jumped" you, and those that are critical of you haven't really addressed this issue that you alone keep bringing up that you're a Christian and you lust. Nobody cares.

Most rational human beings understand that ones belief system does not alter one's libido.

Those that don't like you don't like you for the fact that you are a sanctimonious asshole, not because you're a Christian.

A fate that I can relate to.

Most people on this board have been here long enough to see your type coming and they are smarter than to fuel your need to be denigrated. From time to time an actual, earnest l, practicing Christian who is simply trying to spam the word does find themselves subject to some relatively friendly ridicule, but you've been spared even that because most people here can see exactly what you're about.

 

[oggbashan]

Only the first question in the original post of this thread is unbiased.

The rest are leading questions that expect a particular answer.

My answer for the first question apart from my answer earlier is:

Tits!

 

[juttjaw]

Oh Jesus, you're so getting off on this shit. Go fuck your pastors wife.


You probably already have...

or tried at least.

 

[juttjaw]

Only the first question in the original post of this thread is unbiased.

The rest are leading questions that expect a particular answer.

My answer for the first question apart from my answer earlier is:

Tits!

AMEN!!!!!

Peace be with you.

 

[oggbashan]

Cool Tits - and she's wearing a crucifix!

 

[Conager]

Nope, not at all, I came here and confessed my issue so that others might see that Christians can struggle, but that they can be victorious too, together...

See, I'm the kind of guy that asks a question, not for the answer, but to see how OTHERS think by the way THEY answer...

You know very little about me...

And now its time for lunch...

Based on your posts and your tortured understanding of meaning and role of repentance, I'm not as optimistic as you are that your example is going to provide some guidepost toward "victory," however you define that term. I wish you well in whatever your struggles might be.

There's a book that I didn't finish, and I can't recall the title so it doesn't really help...

But the gist of the book was that one should act on impulses that one receives because regardless of what the origin of those impulses if they're for the good they're probably there for a reason. it was a fairly inclusive concept those that believe in a particular faith can look to that Faith or people that just look inward or look to the cosmos communicating with them doesn't really matter... you get a positive not following through on that disrespect yourself.

So in that vein the other day we were having a discussion about something or other and I noticed a couple of your points and felt marginally (inspired?) To direct you to some resources. I didn't have time to follow through on that because work suddenly pressed demands upon me right about then.

I don't recall where, so I will just leave it here probably something when you were discussing your letting your wife know about how you were noticing another woman when you are in Costco.

The discussion here devolved into discussion about lust but I wanted to point out that there are several good things illustrated by that story about how men and women interact with each other and how one keeps attraction alive in a marriage.

The honesty displayed is always a plus. Rather than her simply catching you looking and being miffed about it and you not being man enough to acknowledge that you were looking, you did the opposite of that... so I think that was a good thing.

The name for that general concept is dread game. Being a man with options simply makes you more attractive. This has to be tempered with demonstrated allegiance so that it's clear to her that you'd have no actual intention of straying. Otherwise you're simply being a dick. Which you actually were not in this case, I don't think.

If you seriously are looking to reinvigorate the sexuality in your marriage and want to interact with others, some of whom have a particularly Christian mindset, I would suggest that you look up married man's sex life. I believe Athol Kaye has forums there he's got a blog and he's got a book. I think you will find it instructive. Probably also very compatible with your general lifestyle and culture.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[oggbashan]

St Augustine

"But I, miserable young man, supremely miserable even in the very outset of my youth, had entreated chastity of You, and said, Grant me chastity and continency, but not yet. For I was afraid lest You should hear me soon, and soon deliver me from the disease of concupiscence, which I desired to have satisfied rather than extinguished."

- Confessions, XIII, Chapter 7, 17

 

[Conager]

Oh Jesus, you're so getting off on this shit. Go fuck your pastors wife.


You probably already have...

or tried at least.

The pastor's wife always does have that little something, doesn't she?

About a year-and-a-half ago I moved into a new area and decided I should wander into a church. I found myself a nice Ralph Lauren suit at Goodwill since all my suits and sportcoats are packed away and showed up the Sunday. Seems like I showed up between meetings and bumped into an attractive woman in the hall and struck up a conversation. I didn't full on have my flirt going because it wasn't really the time or the place, but we seemed to be connecting rather well.

Later, as the congregation filtered out into the foyer and passed us, I realized that it was the pastor's wife and part of her being as welcoming as she was was likely sort of duty-driven. Only partially though, given that I'm charming and handsome. And wearing a suit. Suits suit me.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[pointless]

jesus. what a cunt.

 

[Conager]

Fwiw I wish him well too. I expect to see this kind of Christian in hell with me in the ever after though ( if that's what turns out to be).

Count it.

Wait was that overly judgy?

Hell doesn't worry me much, because I figure I'll be part of the cabal in charge. Somebody's got to be in charge, so why not me?

It's the same general idea that makes socialism so appealing. Nobody that likes socialism figures themselves to be the lowly agricultural or factory worker, making less than they currently do.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[BattlingSoul]

Based on your posts and your tortured understanding of meaning and role of repentance, I'm not as optimistic as you are that your example is going to provide some guidepost toward "victory," however you define that term. I wish you well in whatever your struggles might be.

There's a book that I didn't finish, and I can't recall the title so it doesn't really help...

But the gist of the book was that one should act on impulses that one receives because regardless of what the origin of those impulses if they're for the good they're probably there for a reason. it was a fairly inclusive concept those that believe in a particular faith can look to that Faith or people that just look inward or look to the cosmos communicating with them doesn't really matter... you get a positive not following through on that disrespect yourself.

So in that vein the other day we were having a discussion about something or other and I noticed a couple of your points and felt marginally (inspired?) To direct you to some resources. I didn't have time to follow through on that because work suddenly pressed demands upon me right about then.

I don't recall where, so I will just leave it here probably something when you were discussing your letting your wife know about how you were noticing another woman when you are in Costco.

The discussion here devolved into discussion about lust but I wanted to point out that there are several good things illustrated by that story about how men and women interact with each other and how one keeps attraction alive in a marriage.

The honesty displayed is always a plus. Rather than her simply catching you looking and being miffed about it and you not being man enough to acknowledge that you were looking, you did the opposite of that... so I think that was a good thing.

The name for that general concept is dread game. Being a man with options simply makes you more attractive. This has to be tempered with demonstrated allegiance so that it's clear to her that you'd have no actual intention of straying. Otherwise you're simply being a dick. Which you actually were not in this case, I don't think.

If you seriously are looking to reinvigorate the sexuality in your marriage and want to interact with others, some of whom have a particularly Christian mindset, I would suggest that you look up married man's sex life. I believe Athol Kaye has forums there he's got a blog and he's got a book. I think you will find it instructive. Probably also very compatible with your general lifestyle and culture.

WOW...now why didnt you just answer me like that the FIRST time, I believe our interactions would have be TOTALLY different...

This response from you is one that would force me to look inward and look for reasons I may struggle from time to time...

I had a feeling you were not a gruff as you let on...

Thanks...

 

[BattlingSoul]

"But I, miserable young man, supremely miserable even in the very outset of my youth, had entreated chastity of You, and said, Grant me chastity and continency, but not yet. For I was afraid lest You should hear me soon, and soon deliver me from the disease of concupiscence, which I desired to have satisfied rather than extinguished."

- Confessions, XIII, Chapter 7, 17

That is not from any bible I know...just saying...

 

[BattlingSoul]

The pastor's wife always does have that little something, doesn't she?

About a year-and-a-half ago I moved into a new area and decided I should wander into a church. I found myself a nice Ralph Lauren suit at Goodwill since all my suits and sportcoats are packed away and showed up the Sunday. Seems like I showed up between meetings and bumped into an attractive woman in the hall and struck up a conversation. I didn't full on have my flirt going because it wasn't really the time or the place, but we seemed to be connecting rather well.

Later, as the congregation filtered out into the foyer and passed us, I realized that it was the pastor's wife and part of her being as welcoming as she was was likely sort of duty-driven. Only partially though, given that I'm charming and handsome. And wearing a suit. Suits suit me.

Grin...

 

[BattlingSoul]

Fwiw I wish him well too. I expect to see this kind of Christian in hell with me in the ever after though ( if that's what turns out to be).

Nope, I wont be in Hell, I have accepted Christ as my savior...

My sin may cause me to miss out on earthly blessings...

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[BattlingSoul]

Keep your fingers crossed, eh. Your sects interpretation of requirements might be different from the Big Guy's ( if there is one!).

Sincerely though, good luck, as j said before, I wish you luck in your struggle and in your faith.

Truth be known, all the chastisement I have received here has made me "behave" much better...

I can't lie, I do love a good debate, as long as no one gets ugly, some have proven they can, some cant, and another just gave a reply that I believe reveals his true nature rather than the gruff one seen in other replies...

 

[oggbashan]

That is not from any bible I know...just saying...

You haven't heard of St Augustine?

Or the massive library of writings by Christians apart from the Bible?

Or the First Council of Nicaea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

You do know that the Bible you read developed over centuries and some of it is still disputed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon

Go away and do some study.

 

[BattlingSoul]

You haven't heard of St Augustine?

Or the massive library of writings by Christians apart from the Bible?

Or the First Council of Nicaea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

You do know that the Bible you read developed over centuries and some of it is still disputed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon

Go away and do some study.

I believe the KJ bible has every book that God wants in it and read nothing else as God's word out side of it (OT and NT)...

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[BattlingSoul]

Yes, I think it's rather the nature of you and the poor show you put on rather than your Christianity people are trying to explain is the issue.

People like you made it clear to me my path was not in the church and on your style of trying to spread the word you rather manage to push people further away.

You believe you know the bible better but you are not the only Christian here, as I told you before, and you have not acted in a Christian way in more than one respect in my opinion.

Once more, can you really not think of a time when you have been combative. Or could be construed as combative or for which an apology might be appropriate?

( I really would not be driving this so hard were you not being so goddamn offensive to your own people and faith)

Again, if someone replied blunt and bold to me, I did as well. Paul told us to contend for the faith and study the scripture like the bereans did. I do not see where I returned name calling for anyone that called me a name. Point out a specific example if you care to and I will be glad to address it, I am NOT above saying I was wrong...

 

[BattlingSoul]

Ogg; unless it's what HE knows it's wrong. I find it staggering that god whispeted so differently to different people and yet so many of us were taught our traditions of what we interpreted him to say are indisputable.

A lot of believers gonna have egg on their faces. I don't think a god would mind we got it wrong but that we were so damn rude about it. And did not take the philosophies of what he expected of us in love and apply them over our humanly flawed interpretation, ? And this is theoretical because when I chatted with god before confirmation his silence and people like OP were the answer I heard

Everyone has to have an absolute that they believe in. For me, it is the KJ bible or some derivative of the 66 book bible, I personally like the NASB, New American Standard Bible translation.

Some doctrines in the bible are left open for interpretation but there is one that is hard and fast and true, The only way to God the Father is through Jesus Christ the son...

Jesus said, No man comes to the father but by me...