What is incest?

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

What is Incest?

Well, other than the reason there are so many people walking around this planet today.

The genesis of this question was a purge of “incest and incest adjacent” stories “elsewhere" that saw fifteen of our stories deleted. But what is incest? (An even more nebulous question is what is “incest adjacent?” Your neighbors are brother and sister? What if they live two-doors down? Five doors down, but you have lunch together every Thursday?)

Ther “official word” was disingenuous, that it was to “better reflect the expressed tastes of our readers.” Those who dislike the category may be expressive, but actual readers over there -- like here -- read the hell out of incest stories. Read 'em “much more better” than “them others.” To our knowledge, it isn’t an economic decision, the site while poorly designed doesn’t seem to be selling anything.

It was opined by some affected authors that it was a “legal decision,” but legal where? Where the server is located? What if it’s in France, Holland or Brazil where adults can do whatever consensual thing they want or Rhode Island, or in Ohio where siblings can -- but it’s illegal for a former adult college student to have sex with a former teaching assistant six years after graduation?

Or a certain Polynesian island where it is a tradition for a man to marry his paternal aunt but illegal to have sex with or marry any of his maternal relatives (due to inheritance issues)? There probably aren’t any servers relevant to the discussion located in Afganistan so we don’t have to worry about those issues.

Is having sex with your first-cousin incest? What if it’s in New Mexico where you are husband and wife. Or Texas, where it’s legal if you got married before 1985, or after that in another US state -- Sorry, couple married in Canada in 1990 with six kids --? Well as a visitor, but not as a resident if it was after 1985. Or in North Carolina where it’s legal for SOME first-cousins but not others depending on who your grandparents are. Or if you are of Native American descent in Minnesota. “Honey, what percent is that limited to?”

Is it the words we use describing the relationship in a story? Does it matter if it is fiction or non-fiction? What if it really happened but we use pseudonyms rather than our full legal names, then is it fiction? What is fictionalized versus anonymized reality or fiction? What if we are role-playing and only say that it’s real. What if it’s fictional but we say it really happened? What if a golden retriever is typing this? Oops, different rule, “don’t worry -- she was a dog too, a REAL dog if you know what I mean --.”

For the sake of discussion say my birth certificate reads Lisa and my brother’s reads George and our first-cousin’s reads Jamie and our second-cousin’s reads Eva and our third-cousin’s reads Paul. Keeping in mind that nobody is truly unrelated -- i read somewhere that nearly every American descended from immigrants from a single European nation is no more than a fifth cousin. Where is the line drawn? The Catholic church used to say at third cousin, or two with an indulgence, but first-cousins were okay too for a negotiated price.

Lisa and Paul can get married (since 2014 Lisa and Eva can too) is that incest? If all four have fun together is that incest? What if George just watches? What if I write a story about all four getting it on and call George “Hank” then is it?

We know authors who had to go back and edit dialog removing “baby-doll” “baby-girl” “daddy” “oh mama” because of "bad-word" recognition software that thought it was too incest-y, or maybe incest ajacent-y. We have been gigged on “baby” and “child” -- where we grew up a 70-year-old might call a 40-year-old “child.”

 

[Handley_Page]

I'm not sure I understand the question, as you pose it. But to start with one definition:- From Wiki:-

Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.
This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity.

And it is illegal in most of the civilised world. You might ask 'why?' but that ain't too difficult to answer.
It can do unpleasant things to a child; (it's one of the reasons that Tutankhamun snuffed it so early (he was 19); he was the result of being the offspring of his Dad & Mum being brother & sister; as were his grandparents.
There have been reports of 'damaged' offspring being the result of an incestuous relationship in the crowned heads of Europe up till more recent times..

You surely cannot expect an organisation like Lit to permit encouragement of an illegal act ?

 

[NotWise]

That's too many questions for me, but I'm curious about what they meant by "incest-adjacent." I can give you my thoughts on what that might be.

I read a study once on the psychological effects of incest. In the study they included a large number of relationships that aren't legally or traditionally incest at all because they thought the psychological effects would be similar. These were mostly relationships between a (usually younger) person and someone who has authority over them: teacher-student, minister-congregant, police officer-arrestee, and so on.

With that definition, some of the stories in Lit's Mature category might qualify as incest-adjacent.

I think Hypoxia asked the same question some time ago. I thought it was in an essay, but maybe it was a forum thread.

 

[sweetandeasy]

What is Incest?

Well, other than the reason there are so many people walking around this planet today.

The genesis of this question was a purge of “incest and incest adjacent” stories “elsewhere" that saw fifteen of our stories deleted. But what is incest? (An even more nebulous question is what is “incest adjacent?” Your neighbors are brother and sister? What if they live two-doors down? Five doors down, but you have lunch together every Thursday?)

Ther “official word” was disingenuous, that it was to “better reflect the expressed tastes of our readers.” Those who dislike the category may be expressive, but actual readers over there -- like here -- read the hell out of incest stories. Read 'em “much more better” than “them others.” To our knowledge, it isn’t an economic decision, the site while poorly designed doesn’t seem to be selling anything.

It was opined by some affected authors that it was a “legal decision,” but legal where? Where the server is located? What if it’s in France, Holland or Brazil where adults can do whatever consensual thing they want or Rhode Island, or in Ohio where siblings can -- but it’s illegal for a former adult college student to have sex with a former teaching assistant six years after graduation?

Or a certain Polynesian island where it is a tradition for a man to marry his paternal aunt but illegal to have sex with or marry any of his maternal relatives (due to inheritance issues)? There probably aren’t any servers relevant to the discussion located in Afganistan so we don’t have to worry about those issues.

Is having sex with your first-cousin incest? What if it’s in New Mexico where you are husband and wife. Or Texas, where it’s legal if you got married before 1985, or after that in another US state -- Sorry, couple married in Canada in 1990 with six kids --? Well as a visitor, but not as a resident if it was after 1985. Or in North Carolina where it’s legal for SOME first-cousins but not others depending on who your grandparents are. Or if you are of Native American descent in Minnesota. “Honey, what percent is that limited to?”

Is it the words we use describing the relationship in a story? Does it matter if it is fiction or non-fiction? What if it really happened but we use pseudonyms rather than our full legal names, then is it fiction? What is fictionalized versus anonymized reality or fiction? What if we are role-playing and only say that it’s real. What if it’s fictional but we say it really happened? What if a golden retriever is typing this? Oops, different rule, “don’t worry -- she was a dog too, a REAL dog if you know what I mean --.”

For the sake of discussion say my birth certificate reads Lisa and my brother’s reads George and our first-cousin’s reads Jamie and our second-cousin’s reads Eva and our third-cousin’s reads Paul. Keeping in mind that nobody is truly unrelated -- i read somewhere that nearly every American descended from immigrants from a single European nation is no more than a fifth cousin. Where is the line drawn? The Catholic church used to say at third cousin, or two with an indulgence, but first-cousins were okay too for a negotiated price.

Lisa and Paul can get married (since 2014 Lisa and Eva can too) is that incest? If all four have fun together is that incest? What if George just watches? What if I write a story about all four getting it on and call George “Hank” then is it?

We know authors who had to go back and edit dialog removing “baby-doll” “baby-girl” “daddy” “oh mama” because of "bad-word" recognition software that thought it was too incest-y, or maybe incest ajacent-y. We have been gigged on “baby” and “child” -- where we grew up a 70-year-old might call a 40-year-old “child.”

Seems like a couple of different, though related questions here.

I think the question of "where the line is drawn" means one thing when you're talking about a country's laws, another when you're talking about a set of cultural mores, and another when you're talking about website owners and moderators who are curating content and trying to balance both the laws and the mores of many different countries, plus (maybe the biggest factor) their own personal biases, which may just be "if it makes me feel weird and bothers me, it's incest."

My guess, if I had to guess, and I know I don't, is that websites that have both pics and stories will be more conservative in flagging *any* content. I also just think it's easier for moderators to ban everything than to look for nuance. On top of that, if a website becomes known for being "incest friendly" (or friendly to anything considered taboo elsewhere), then there's a strong chance that the website starts to become associated with that taboo thing, and website owners may not want that.

And one reason not to try to be nuanced, I guess, is because it's hard to do without tying yourself in knots, as you've pointed out. What about adopted siblings who grew up their whole lives together since they were babies? What about a first cousin who ends up marrying your divorced parent and becomes your step-parent, but has sex with your half-sister on your other parent's side? Or your example... what if George just watches? What's up with George? Is he only watching because *he* thinks it's incest, or it just his thing?

 

[8letters]

My guess is that the readers had nothing to do with the decision, that "elsewhere" had some business partner say, "These kind of stories are icky. Get rid of them." My understanding is what drives "incest adjacent" porn (sex with someone who is in the family but not related by blood such as a step or an adopted) is credit card companies, who don't want to process transactions for incest porn.

 

[SimonDoom]

This question only make sense in a specific context.

"Incest" has a legal definition that can vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But that has little meaning here.

Readers don't care about what the legal definitions are. Those who like incest stories are motivated to read by whether it "feels" like incest. Some enjoy stories where it's broadly defined. Others only want to read close, blood relative incest. There's no one right perspective. It comes down to whatever the reader's kink is.

Same thing with readers who don't like incest. Some are OK with "incest adjacent" stories but not the real thing. Others are squicked by anything that seems incestuous to them.

Sometimes it's probably determined by whatever the Site owner deems, for whatever reason, to be incest. Incest is permissible at this Site, and I believe for purposes of categorization incest is broadly defined. So, it includes in laws and step relatives. (I think that's right).

8Letters probably is right, too. Site owners may have their hands forced by third parties such as pay administrators. That would be a bigger deal at a site that requires people to pay to sign up.

 

[RejectReality]

My guess is that the readers had nothing to do with the decision, that "elsewhere" had some business partner say, "These kind of stories are icky. Get rid of them." My understanding is what drives "incest adjacent" porn (sex with someone who is in the family but not related by blood such as a step or an adopted) is credit card companies, who don't want to process transactions for incest porn.

My thoughts exactly.

I also expect that they're going to discover that the decision erodes their traffic so significantly that they have to sheepishly reinstate it at some point in the future. That very scenario played out on one of the other sites where I post.

If high profile people on the site ( such as admins and moderators ) celebrate the decision and look down their nose at the readers/writers of the genre — going so far as to threaten bans for even mentioning it — that eventual reversal won't undo the damage. Those readers and writers will never come back, because there's precedent that they aren't wanted there. That also played out elsewhere.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm not sure I understand the question, as you pose it. But to start with one definition:- From Wiki:-

Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.
This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity.

And it is illegal in most of the civilised world. You might ask 'why?' but that ain't too difficult to answer.
It can do unpleasant things to a child; (it's one of the reasons that Tutankhamun snuffed it so early (he was 19); he was the result of being the offspring of his Dad & Mum being brother & sister; as were his grandparents.
There have been reports of 'damaged' offspring being the result of an incestuous relationship in the crowned heads of Europe up till more recent times..

You surely cannot expect an organisation like Lit to permit encouragement of an illegal act ?

That's interesting, because Lit did once allow a huge number of incest stories - I mean between parents and children and between siblings (not step-parents or step-siblings).

I think the most popular story ever here (in terms of views) was one in which a mom has sex with her son while riding in a car. That was a big trope here - the mom would get penetrated by her son while sitting on his lap in the back seat, while the rest of the family was oblivious in the front. He usually ejaculated in her too.

There were a lot of similar stories - it was almost a sure-fire hit in fact. I don't know; maybe Lit has changed its policies. The only incest stories I'll ever do are about step-relatives, not blood relatives.

 

[KeithD]

"Incest" has a legal definition that can vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But that has little meaning here.

This. The definition used by erotica distributors is much broader than the legal definition, so bringing in legal definitions in a discussion on what Literotica or other distributors will accept in terms of the relationship of characters is irrelevant.

 

[NotWise]

That's interesting, because Lit did once allow a huge number of incest stories - I mean between parents and children and between siblings (not step-parents or step-siblings).

I think the most popular story ever here (in terms of views) was one in which a mom has sex with her son while riding in a car. That was a big trope here - the mom would get penetrated by her son while sitting on his lap in the back seat, while the rest of the family was oblivious in the front. He usually ejaculated in her too.

There were a lot of similar stories - it was almost a sure-fire hit in fact. I don't know; maybe Lit has changed its policies. The only incest stories I'll ever do are about step-relatives, not blood relatives.

Um, those stories are all still here.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Seems like a couple of different, though related questions here.

I think the question of "where the line is drawn" means one thing when you're talking about a country's laws, another when you're talking about a set of cultural mores, and another when you're talking about website owners and moderators who are curating content and trying to balance both the laws and the mores of many different countries, plus (maybe the biggest factor) their own personal biases, which may just be "if it makes me feel weird and bothers me, it's incest."

Precisely. And the discussion becomes still more complicated, as noted, by different places having different standards and, indeed, by different parts of societies having different ones, too.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Um, those stories are all still here.

Oh yes, here is the list of the top fifty.

https://www.literotica.com/top/most-read-erotic-stories/

I just skimmed it so far, but there appears to be three or four of those "back-seat" mommy stories, including the second one which has more than ten million views. The first two are rather old - looks like eleven and nineteen years ago. The majority of the rest are about incest in one form or another.

What I don't know is what would happen if one was submitted now.

 

[RejectReality]

Oh yes, here is the list of the top fifty.

https://www.literotica.com/top/most-read-erotic-stories/

I just skimmed it so far, but there appears to be three or four of those "back-seat" mommy stories, including the second one which has more than ten million views. The first two are rather old - looks like eleven and nineteen years ago. The majority of the rest are about incest in one form or another.

What I don't know is what would happen if one was submitted now.

Unless there was some other content issue, it would go straight up. There's no restriction on incest on Lit within the Incest category.

( Including incest in any other category can be an issue that can result in the story being moved there, or a warning being added by Laurel, etc. )

 

[NotWise]

Oh yes, here is the list of the top fifty.

https://www.literotica.com/top/most-read-erotic-stories/

And here's the link to today's new Incest/Taboo stories.

Mom on son's lap is one of the most popular tropes in the category, and it's one of the most popular categories on Lit.

 

[mastermouse]

I'm not sure I understand the question, as you pose it. But to start with one definition:- From Wiki:-

Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.
This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity.

And it is illegal in most of the civilised world. You might ask 'why?' but that ain't too difficult to answer.

[...]

sorry, there I strongly disagree. It is way more difficult to answer as it seems to most.

Incest by definition is - as read above - the sexual activity between (blood) relatives.

But which activity exactly? vaginal penetration? anal and oral too? what about a handjob or less?
Are tight hugs between family members suddenly forbidden, when one of them gets aroused?
Some countries in the world do make a differentiation, when it comes to answering this very question "what is incest".

The most mentioned reason to argue and be against incest is the genetic degeneration of its offspring ... but incestuous activity may not always be meant to create such an offspring but just pleasure and a good time. That's when all the variations other than "penis in vagina" come to my mind.

Many dynasties became extinct due to exactly this degeneration, because they wanted the power kept in the family ... sometimes, they arranged marriages with other well-disposed sovereigns and his family members to get new blood in the descendants. They performed incest just to have their own blood ruling their kingdom. They have practiced incest only to create this very offspring, not for pleasure and fun.
That's exactly what you cannot compare to nowadays.


And what about the freedom of decision? Why can't two adulds - however they may be related - have consensual sex with each other?
What about "friends with benefits"? Nobody cares, when they have "just fun" together without wanting children anyway. Thats why they are prepared and use protection.
Imagine the same scenario between siblings, cousins, ...? BAM! We are taught, that this is sick! Taught by whom? And by whoms standard?

What does society teach us today - or at least try to? That it is absolutely nobody's business except mine and mine alone, which gender I let crawl into my bed. Also, if there are more than one (or two in this case) in this very bed.

But then again: relatives? OMG! you sick fuck, go to jail!! ... ok, but only when we can share a prison cell

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

I'm not sure I understand the question, as you pose it. But to start with one definition:- From Wiki:-

Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.
This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity.

That’s problematic because scientists say we are all related. Some just more closely than others. (And most probably more closely than we'd like to think -- cousin.)

And it is illegal in most of the civilized world.

We are only talking about sexual relations between consenting adults, and we guess it depends on your daffynition of civ-lized ‘cause according to our sources it’s completely legal or not officially prosecutable by a court ruling or order in two US states (Ohio is a 3d US state where incest is technically legal but another law regarding authority figures covers some of the same ground -- bro and sis is fine, but not dad and daughter if they ever lived in the same home -- also half of the US States are okay with first-cousins the rest don't but the degree of restriction varies). It’s legal in Canada and all but 3 countries of the Americas south of the Rio Grande. It's also legal in Spain Portugal, France, the Benelux, most of Eastern Europe, Turkey, Russia, India, China and Austrailia.

You might ask 'why?' but that ain't too difficult to answer.
It can do unpleasant things to a child; (it's one of the reasons that Tutankhamun snuffed it so early (he was 19);

Tut died from an infection resulting from a compound fracture caused by a chariot accident, not certain what role genetics played in that.

he was the result of being the offspring of his Dad & Mum being brother & sister; as were his grandparents.

The Ptolemaic Pharaohs practiced half-sibling marriage to keep the dynasty “in the family.” They also would have loved “Game of Thrones.”

There have been reports of 'damaged' offspring being the result of an incestuous relationship in the crowned heads of Europe up till more recent times.

All reproduction is somewhat consanguine. Reproduction does nothing but transmit genetic material already there. If there is genetic variation it may be passed on if both parents have the same variation. There is no greater likelihood that a brother and sister or two first-cousins will carry the same variation than two unrelated people.

First cousin reproduction was quite common in the recent past, until 1850 or so it was legal everywhere. In the US it was assailed not on genetic grounds but as a political means to assimilate immigrants. The oft made argument is that were sibling -- and sometimes first-cousin -- reproduction allowed there would be a greater likelihood of two people with damaged alleles coming together.

But that is THEORY we KNOW having two over 40, black in the US (nutrition), smokers, farm-workers (pesticides), Jewish, below the poverty line (nutrition), poor (nutrition), current or former drug -- including legal phamacutical -- users reproduce increases risk. And the theory is moot because people who arent closely related tend to reproduce with others who grew up in the same environment and so were exposed to the same mutagens.

You surely cannot expect an organization like Lit to permit encouragement of an illegal act ?

As stated the stories were purged elsewhere, not here. But … probably every story published on Lit involves an act illegal somewhere.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

'The genesis of this question...'

Very funny.

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

'The genesis of this question...'

Very funny.

Lotsa consanguine relations there. It started almost "In the beginning..."

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

I think Hypoxia asked the same question some time ago. I thought it was in an essay, but maybe it was a forum thread.

https://www.literotica.com/s/what-is-incest

Humorous as we are sure it was meant to be his quotation of figures as to risk cannot be supported. The Government of Canada kidnapped hundreds of Aleut in the 1950s. -- This is not our opinion, twenty years later the SC of Canada said it was an illegal detention and relocation for the purpose of benefiting the Government financially by creating a claim to heretofore unsettled land --. The relocated Aleut became de-facto closed-cell breeding populations -- one only had seven people several had en or less -- Health Canada commissioned a study. It didn't show what they wanted it to say. It said that group of seven produced 100 descendants in 60 years and they were healtier than the general population.

So doing what academics and politicians do when they don't get the results they desire, they started fudging. They started "tweaking" the control group. Out came smokers, women over 40, men over 40, immigrants, working mothers, people on public assistance, women under 23, until they had a rate of defects slightly (almost statistically significantly) above average. The final report read something like "Additional Risk Caused by ... Quantified."

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

sorry, there I strongly disagree. It is way more difficult to answer as it seems to most.

Incest by definition is - as read above - the sexual activity between (blood) relatives.

But which activity exactly? vaginal penetration? anal and oral too? what about a handjob or less?

Are tight hugs between family members suddenly forbidden, when one of them gets aroused?

Some countries in the world do make a differentiation, when it comes to answering this very question "what is incest".

We have talked to a whole lot of people whose "first" -- by LitE standards of what constitutes sex -- was a like aged sibling or cousin, someone they safely explored with and who cared about them as a person.

The most mentioned reason to argue and be against incest is the genetic degeneration of its offspring ... but incestuous activity may not always be meant to create such an offspring but just pleasure and a good time. That's when all the variations other than "penis in vagina" come to my mind.

Society does not equate sex and reproduction except in high school health class.

And what about the freedom of decision? Why can't two adults - however they may be related - have consensual sex with each other?
What about "friends with benefits"? Nobody cares when they have "just fun" together without wanting children anyway. That's why they are prepared and use protection.

"Whoever loves God must also love his brother." - 1 John 4:21 (And his sister and his cousin, and her sister, who is also her first-cousin.)

Imagine the same scenario between siblings, cousins, ...? BAM! We are taught, that this is sick! Taught by whom? And by whoms standard?

What does society teach us today - or at least try to? That it is absolutely nobody's business except mine and mine alone, which gender I let crawl into my bed. Also, if there are more than one (or two in this case) in this very bed.

Don't get us wrong we are happy that society in general is more accepting of homosexuality and bisexuality (aka the normative evolutionary state) But society is bi-polar. A grandchild goes to a school where they teach AO (administrators call it Abstence only the students cal it Anal and Oral) and there is a fishbowl of condoms and a poster for Planned Parenthood at the nurses office.

But then again: relatives? OMG! you sick fuck, go to jail!! ... ok, but only when we can share a prison cell

We think it was Oscar Wilde who said it was an odd punishment to imprison a man for homosexuality.

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

A fantasy for some, a nightmare for others.

We are only talking about consensual relations between adults. Most people in the US enjoy chocolate, few enjoy being force-fed chocolate.

 

[sweetandeasy]

We are only talking about consensual relations between adults. Most people in the US enjoy chocolate, few enjoy being force-fed chocolate.

Though of course there is, or soon will be, a porn site dedicated to people being force-fed chocolate.

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

The only incest stories I'll ever do are about step-relatives, not blood relatives.

We wrote a sort of role reversal story once based on a story we know about but we gave it a happy ending. Male MC was a responsible young man. Female MC was an 18-year-old who never a social life in high school because she had two younger siblings and her mom worked long hours and drank when she wasn't at work. At the community college the MCs meet, he is impressed by her maturity. The MCs develop a relationship that "mom" tries to sabotage. It wasn't NC at all, it was a jealous older gal (mom) who saw the younger gal having what she wished for -- someone who truly cared about her --. Mom was drunk and they (mom and fMC) had a big heated argument where mom said she'd die for what the daughter had. fMC broaches subject with mMC who is wary "no I hadn't noticed that your mom doesn't wear underwear --- really?" fMC asks mMC to "seduce" mom -- it took 2.8 seconds -- and he beds her, they "trade" mMCs physical affection from mom being responsible and sober.

It was published here but not as Mature as we submitted it. It went to I/T where it was savaged for having no incest at all (agreed it wasn't an incest story) and not really much taboo -- not that many people notice the "/T."


Another story we submitted as voyeur -- single parents of two college-age kids who have a relationship meet through kids at a university activity and develop a relationship the two pairs spy on and are energized by what they see -- it was also published as I/T -- it was submitted as E/V -- and while nobody suggested that the authors commit suicide as in the first one (seriously) it didn't receive such a great response.

 

[SimonDoom]

That's interesting, because Lit did once allow a huge number of incest stories - I mean between parents and children and between siblings (not step-parents or step-siblings).

I think the most popular story ever here (in terms of views) was one in which a mom has sex with her son while riding in a car. That was a big trope here - the mom would get penetrated by her son while sitting on his lap in the back seat, while the rest of the family was oblivious in the front. He usually ejaculated in her too.

There were a lot of similar stories - it was almost a sure-fire hit in fact. I don't know; maybe Lit has changed its policies. The only incest stories I'll ever do are about step-relatives, not blood relatives.

So long as it involves people over 18, incest of all kinds is 100% Okey Dokey here at Literotica. Mom-son, brother-sister, and father-daughter. All big hits. I've written all three. Lovecraft's brother-sister story Tales of My Slutter Sister is by far the most popular fiction story so far in 2020. Mom-son is still the most sure-fire recipe for success. I wrote a mom-son-on-seat (in living room, not car) tale in 2017 as an experiment to see how it would do, and it did very well.

I only write pure blood incest in these types of stories becauseI want to push the taboo as far as it can go. That's what gives the story "zing" for me.

You surely cannot expect an organisation like Lit to permit encouragement of an illegal act ?

I surely can, to the same extent and with the same degree of seriousness that virtually every major television network, flim studio, and book publisher "permits encouragement" of murder in the form of stories , TV shows, and movies about murder. The premise of the statement is not serious. "Permitting" people to write stories about things that are illegal is part of living in a free society. Would you ban stories about murder?

 

[Handley_Page]

That’s problematic because scientists say we are all related. Some just more closely than others. (And most probably more closely than we'd like to think -- cousin.) [1]

We are only talking about sexual relations between consenting adults [2], and we guess it depends on your definition of civ-lized ‘cause according to our sources it’s completely legal or not officially prosecutable by a court ruling or order in two US states (Ohio is a 3d US state where incest is technically legal but another law regarding authority figures covers some of the same ground -- bro and sis is fine, but not dad and daughter if they ever lived in the same home -- also half of the US States are okay with first-cousins the rest don't but the degree of restriction varies). It’s legal in Canada and all but 3 countries of the Americas south of the Rio Grande. It's also legal in Spain Portugal, France, the Benelux, most of Eastern Europe, Turkey, Russia, India, China and Austrailia.

Tut died from an infection resulting from a compound fracture caused by a chariot accident, not certain what role genetics played in that. [3]

The Ptolemaic Pharaohs practiced half-sibling marriage to keep the dynasty “in the family.” They also would have loved “Game of Thrones.”

All reproduction is somewhat consanguine. Reproduction does nothing but transmit genetic material already there. If there is genetic variation it may be passed on if both parents have the same variation. There is no greater likelihood that a brother and sister or two first-cousins will carry the same variation than two unrelated people.

First cousin reproduction was quite common in the recent past, until 1850 or so it was legal everywhere. In the US it was assailed not on genetic grounds but as a political means to assimilate immigrants. The oft made argument is that were sibling -- and sometimes first-cousin -- reproduction allowed there would be a greater likelihood of two people with damaged alleles coming together.

But that is THEORY we KNOW having two over 40, black in the US (nutrition), smokers, farm-workers (pesticides), Jewish, below the poverty line (nutrition), poor (nutrition), current or former drug -- including legal phamacutical -- users reproduce increases risk. And the theory is moot because people who arent closely related tend to reproduce with others who grew up in the same environment and so were exposed to the same mutagens.

As stated the stories were purged elsewhere, not here. But … probably every story published on Lit involves an act illegal somewhere.

[1] "Closely related" ? I wonder just how close. . .
And quite >where< this group is.
[2] TO MY MIND, IT MATTERS NOT A BIT IF THE PAIR ARE SO HOT FOR EACH OTHER, IT'S STILL ILLEGAL !
But I know little of USA /State law on the subject.
[3] Further research on pharoh Tutankhamen, according to a film I saw the other night, it is now suspected that he suffered from "temporal lobe" stroke, which, combined with his fragile (broken) leg and twisted /deformed leg leg ( bottom of the leg). could have chucked him off his chariot.
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