Q from potential writer: Overcoming inhibition with 'Real vs Fantasy'

[Sunstone769]

Hellos. So I've been around for a long time here. At least 10+ years. But only recently have started interacting with folks.

So I've recently gotten an itch to try writing something myself. Having noticed that I often want stories I read to go a different way. Or not seeing a particular kink written about very much. And then seeing the advice someone gave to another in the comments "Maybe you should write your own story then"

But I have a hang up. And I'm not sure I can properly articulate the quandary and what I'm hoping to find here (yes, I know; a great sign for someone who wants to write erotica and write it well)


The TL DR is, I find it difficult to write about any subject that might be hot in a written fantasy, but would not be 100% a-ok in the real world.


So I know some of the darker, kinky subjects in erotica-- like say reluctance/consensual non-con, or incest, or sexual slavery that takes over a person's life without the subject's input --while they can be hot in fantasies and in the written form, are very much frowned upon in the real world. And rightly so.

I've looked up some research on this, mostly to see if my tastes in stories and fantasies might be something to worry about. Apparently some of the more taboo topics that most all of us would decry, are also common fantasies a surprising number of people have had in their heads. That most people who find step-siblings getting it on in story form hot , would never ever find it alluring in reality and instead would be deeply disturbed. (Lord knows most of the plots in porn seem to be stuck step-mom and step-sister being found by the son) That a story where we know the person who isn't giving consent is saying "YES!" in their head over and over because the writer is making their dreams come true while letting us read their thoughts. I suspect one way or another, most all of us have a fantasy that we would never wish to see made real. Something about the line being "Hot trumps real in erotica."

So my issue is I find myself hesitating and freezing at the idea of writing anything that might be seen as taboo. Even just a little bit. That I can already see much of what I produce to be either very tame (because that's what we want in our erotica, tame and chaste), or produced though gritted teeth and rattled emotions of self judgement. And they every much wouldn't be the kind of stories I've enjoyed from many of you out there. Stories where the main character is reluctant, scared, and maybe being forced a touch, but is deep down loving every second of their seduction and being brought out of their shell. Of taking on questionable partners in a BDSM relationship, but knowing because its fiction that the person holding both the keys to the cuffs and the whip is probably going to be the love of the other person's life. (Or at the least will be a positive life changing experience.) Twins who suddenly find the other irresistible and team up to seduce their best friend (I blame a lot of popular media including 80s gum commercials on this twins kink being as wide spread as it is). Of complete strangers who meet each other in a public space, and share a strap-on before hardly managing to trade names (if at all). Or a person's refection walking out of a mirror to give them the night of their life, before one of them walks back into the looking glass. I'm ok talking about such topics, and I'm fine with reading about them knowing it remains a fantasy (and that this place has rules about what's 'too much' because there very much is such a thing). But writing about such,... best I can put "it" into words is... it feels like I'm condoning such actions to be made real even if there is that "don't do this in real life" disclaimer at the start.


So yeah. I would love to hear from other writers. People who have written stories with elements you'd never ever want to see recreated in the real world, but happily write about them in fiction where they're safe and spicy. Thoughts you've had. Or hang-ups you had to overcome to write about the things you think are hot. Or maybe even boundaries you've put in place. I'm not 100% sure what I'm hoping to hear or learn. Maybe just to know I'm not the only person to have thought about this. But I figured I'd at least put the topic out there among experienced creators and see what comes of it.

Thank-you to all authors for your time and all the wonderful stories you've produced over the years. (Also, sorry if this topic already is out there and I just didn't see the thread. I rarely come into the forums as a reader.)

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

Welcome! To answer the question at the root of your quandary, here are some rules you should follow:

1st rule of smut club: write what turns you on.

34th rule of smut club: If you can imagine it, it already exists as porn.

123rd rule of smut club:

Besides that, make sure you follow the site's guidance on what's allowed. Those trump all other rules.

 

[StillStunned]

I suggest writing something that doesn't disturb you first. Just get words on paper (or on screen, as the case may be), no matter how vanilla. Ease into it slowly. Don't write anything you don't feel comfortable with, unless the whole idea is for the story to be unsettling and disturbing. Readers can often tell whether your heart is in it or not.

Another thing to bear in mind is that there's a difference between fantasy and imagination. I can imagine my characters doing all kinds of weird things (within a pretty wide vanilla-scented bandwidth), but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm describing my own fantasies. I've written some scenes that have taken me out of my comfort zone, and which I still think are incredibly hot, even though they're not my kink at all.

Whatever you do, remember that you're under no obligation to actually publish what you've written. If you're not comfortable with others reading it, just file it away and write the next one.

Good luck!

 

[Bramblethorn]

I hear you, I have those same qualms.

What sometimes works for me is wrapping that content in another layer of fiction, showing people who have a consensual relationship enjoying a nonconsensual scenario as fantasy. I did this in some of the later chapters of Anjali's Red Scarf: Sarah and Anjali play out a couple of NC scenarios but the story also shows how they establish consent for that, and how they handle it on one occasion where Sarah misjudges and goes too far.

 

[HordHolm]

OP, this from StillStunned:

Whatever you do, remember that you're under no obligation to actually publish what you've written. If you're not comfortable with others reading it, just file it away and write the next one.

Write whatever you feel needs to be written, whether it be vanilla, or with some sprinkles, or as dark AF. Get it down, get it out of your head. And then put it away for a day, or a week, or a month, before picking it up again and looking at it with 'fresh' eyes. Some distance might give you perspective and then you can decide to rewrite, or hit publish, or file it away again and move on. I have an absolute ton of stuff that I haven't uploaded here, or submitted to publishers when I'm writing non-kink, or even sent to my wife (who gets her own series of private stories). Many - most - of those stories are gathering dust in a file simply because they just aren't good enough, but some touch on things that, on second/third/fourth glance, I felt like not sharing. But I'm still glad I wrote them, and the process of writing them has been a long-term positive.

 

[StillStunned]

There's a similar discussion going on on the Story Ideas forum:
https://forum.literotica.com/threads/story-ideas-that-make-me-the-writer-uncomfortable.1600542/

 

[AlinaX]

One way around it is to have the players coerced into the forbidden act by an obscure or non-human third party. This is why you so often see stories along the lines of:

• Aliens abduct mother and son and force them to mate.
• Machine/Tentacle ensnares woman and subjects her to hours of orgasmic penetration.

Because the actions of the third party do not have to be framed as good/bad/other, the real story is about the human participants' reactions to a situation they have no control over.

ps. I need me one of those machines.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Q from potential writer: Overcoming inhibition with 'Real vs Fantasy'​

Hi and welcome,

Good luck on your writing voyage. It’s certainly been an interesting trip for me in the last year and a half and led to some self-knowledge.

My views on NC/R are pretty well-known. Many will disagree with them. Aside from some initial ill-advised dabbling in I/T, it’s not my kink. What I’d say is, if the thought of writing something is making you uncomfortable, then there is probably a reason for that. So don’t write it.

There are many sexy stories to be told where all interactions are consensual. Sex is wonderful, if you write a husband and wife fucking missionary (which I’m actually pretty fond of myself) and write it well, you will get an audience. If you want to explore extremes, then you can do so in Fetish and BDSM without anyone being raped or humiliated.

If your own kink is NC/R, then think about how to write this in a way that makes you feel more comfortable. Make it supernatural or sci-fi. Make it a robot fucking a girl, not another human. Still not for me, but you give yourself some breathing room and the additional elements add to it being crystal clear that it’s not meant to be realistic.

Or… write NC/R that is pivotal to a story and where this has realistic impacts on all involved. I’ve done that.

Hope that helps.

Em

 

[StillStunned]

Or… write NC/R that is pivotal to a story and where this has realistic impacts on all involved. I’ve done that.

My one venture into NC/R starts with blackmail and ends with "the biter bit" when the blackmailee turns the tables.

 

[EmilyMiller]

My one venture into NC/R starts with blackmail and ends with "the biter bit" when the blackmailee turns the tables.

Literature is sprinkled with rape. Going back to the Greek myths and long before. It’s helpful when it’s portrayed as the attempted destruction of a human being, not sexy fun times for all.

Em

 

[SimonDoom]

You'll get a lot of different perspectives on this issue here, because Lit authors are all over the map on the propriety of writing about activities that are taboo or harmful in the real world. It's perfectly understandable that one might be wary about writing a story that treats nonconsensual or incestuous situations as fun and erotic.

But I'm at the far end of the spectrum that says: go for it. It's fantasy, pure and simple. Indulge in it. What, realistically speaking, is the downside? Will it make you more likely to do something bad? Doubtful. Will it make one of your readers more likely to do something bad? Doubtful.

This is the reality, proven time and again by psychological studies, that is true but that many find hard to accept: good people fantasize about bad things. It may be hard to understand, but it's true. Deep down, many of us fantasize about being naughty. Embrace that fact. Have fun with it.

This space exists to allow people to write and read stories that indulge fantasies, whatever they are. Take advantage of it, without guilt or shame.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Hellos. So I've been around for a long time here. At least 10+ years. But only recently have started interacting with folks.

So I've recently gotten an itch to try writing something myself. Having noticed that I often want stories I read to go a different way. Or not seeing a particular kink written about very much. And then seeing the advice someone gave to another in the comments "Maybe you should write your own story then"

But I have a hang up. And I'm not sure I can properly articulate the quandary and what I'm hoping to find here (yes, I know; a great sign for someone who wants to write erotica and write it well)


The TL DR is, I find it difficult to write about any subject that might be hot in a written fantasy, but would not be 100% a-ok in the real world.


So I know some of the darker, kinky subjects in erotica-- like say reluctance/consensual non-con, or incest, or sexual slavery that takes over a person's life without the subject's input --while they can be hot in fantasies and in the written form, are very much frowned upon in the real world. And rightly so.

I've looked up some research on this, mostly to see if my tastes in stories and fantasies might be something to worry about. Apparently some of the more taboo topics that most all of us would decry, are also common fantasies a surprising number of people have had in their heads. That most people who find step-siblings getting it on in story form hot , would never ever find it alluring in reality and instead would be deeply disturbed. (Lord knows most of the plots in porn seem to be stuck step-mom and step-sister being found by the son) That a story where we know the person who isn't giving consent is saying "YES!" in their head over and over because the writer is making their dreams come true while letting us read their thoughts. I suspect one way or another, most all of us have a fantasy that we would never wish to see made real. Something about the line being "Hot trumps real in erotica."

So my issue is I find myself hesitating and freezing at the idea of writing anything that might be seen as taboo. Even just a little bit. That I can already see much of what I produce to be either very tame (because that's what we want in our erotica, tame and chaste), or produced though gritted teeth and rattled emotions of self judgement. And they every much wouldn't be the kind of stories I've enjoyed from many of you out there. Stories where the main character is reluctant, scared, and maybe being forced a touch, but is deep down loving every second of their seduction and being brought out of their shell. Of taking on questionable partners in a BDSM relationship, but knowing because its fiction that the person holding both the keys to the cuffs and the whip is probably going to be the love of the other person's life. (Or at the least will be a positive life changing experience.) Twins who suddenly find the other irresistible and team up to seduce their best friend (I blame a lot of popular media including 80s gum commercials on this twins kink being as wide spread as it is). Of complete strangers who meet each other in a public space, and share a strap-on before hardly managing to trade names (if at all). Or a person's refection walking out of a mirror to give them the night of their life, before one of them walks back into the looking glass. I'm ok talking about such topics, and I'm fine with reading about them knowing it remains a fantasy (and that this place has rules about what's 'too much' because there very much is such a thing). But writing about such,... best I can put "it" into words is... it feels like I'm condoning such actions to be made real even if there is that "don't do this in real life" disclaimer at the start.


So yeah. I would love to hear from other writers. People who have written stories with elements you'd never ever want to see recreated in the real world, but happily write about them in fiction where they're safe and spicy. Thoughts you've had. Or hang-ups you had to overcome to write about the things you think are hot. Or maybe even boundaries you've put in place. I'm not 100% sure what I'm hoping to hear or learn. Maybe just to know I'm not the only person to have thought about this. But I figured I'd at least put the topic out there among experienced creators and see what comes of it.

Thank-you to all authors for your time and all the wonderful stories you've produced over the years. (Also, sorry if this topic already is out there and I just didn't see the thread. I rarely come into the forums as a reader.)

So, I wanted to go outside my comfort zone and wrote a story that went heavily(for my taste) into BDSM, to the point that the MC was debased, trussed up like a pig and used sexually in every way imaginable by dozens of people before being treated as a house pet. Fox tail butt plug, fed kibble from a dish on the floor, taken outside to do his business. I thought it was off the charts. Nope. Some people considered it mild.


Go for it.

 

[8letters]

I think people are attracted to stories that make the implausible plausible. James Bond shoots up lots of bad guys, beds several women, and eventually saves the world. The plucky commoner woman tames the rakish Duke. The farm boy turns out to be a Jedi and blows up the Empire's ultimate weapon. Etc, etc.

From what I hear, you're saying that you don't want to write something taboo, but the idea of writing something "tame and chaste" doesn't appeal because it lacks the implausibility that makes stories interesting.

I'm an I/T writer (and reader). In publishing incest stories on Literotica for over ten years, I have never had a reader request that I write a story about them and a family member. I can't even get people to suggest names for characters. They very much want that somewhere out there, there are two family members having consensual sex, but they can't imagine having sex with one of their own family members.

I have a lot of discomfort with father-daughter stories. From what I can tell, in real life, that's the most common type of incest, and it's incredibly destructive. The daughter can't truly consent to someone they are completely dependent on. I wrote one father-daughter story, and ended up taking it down. I really enjoy whole-family stories, I have an idea for one that I think would be incredibly popular, but I've never written it because it's dependent on the father having groomed the daughter for years, and I think that's so utterly wrong that I don't want to publish a story with it.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I think people are attracted to stories that make the implausible plausible. James Bond shoots up lots of bad guys, beds several women, and eventually saves the world. The plucky commoner woman tames the rakish Duke. The farm boy turns out to be a Jedi and blows up the Empire's ultimate weapon. Etc, etc.

From what I hear, you're saying that you don't want to write something taboo, but the idea of writing something "tame and chaste" doesn't appeal because it lacks the implausibility that makes stories interesting.

I'm an I/T writer (and reader). In publishing incest stories on Literotica for over ten years, I have never had a reader request that I write a story about them and a family member. I can't even get people to suggest names for characters. They very much want that somewhere out there, there are two family members having consensual sex, but they can't imagine having sex with one of their own family members.

I have a lot of discomfort with father-daughter stories. From what I can tell, in real life, that's the most common type of incest, and it's incredibly destructive. The daughter can't truly consent to someone they are completely dependent on. I wrote one father-daughter story, and ended up taking it down. I really enjoy whole-family stories, I have an idea for one that I think would be incredibly popular, but I've never written it because it's dependent on the father having groomed the daughter for years, and I think that's so utterly wrong that I don't want to publish a story with it.

That's an interesting world, I/T.
My stories are predominantly Trans/CD. One of my recent ones ventures into I/T. To make myself comfortable with it, I had the sister initiate things. Somehow that made it more palatable.

 

[alohadave]

good people fantasize about bad things.

If people knew the things I fantasize about involving coworkers and sniper rifles...

 

[StillStunned]

If people knew the things I fantasize about involving coworkers and sniper rifles...

Ah yes, the *other* coworker fantasy.

 

[Euphony]

This is the reality, proven time and again by psychological studies, that is true but that many find hard to accept: good people fantasize about bad things. It may be hard to understand, but it's true. Deep down, many of us fantasize about being naughty. Embrace that fact. Have fun with it.

Freudian psychology's spillover into pop culture made most of its inroads on human thinking a net negative.

Human beings are pattern and reason seeking machines so someone with bona fides insinuating the most mysterious thing on the planet, the human mind, is really just an experience crunching machine, wrecks people for little reason. Add in a society/culture intrinsically tied to puritanical ideals, and you've got guilt shame misery cocktail.

How many people have we murdered only in our heads? And I'm talking the legit spark of revenge/disgust/anger not the passing "fucker cut me off."

Do we do it? How many friends/neighbors/former classmates rando murdered someone? Violence is fungible in western society whereas sex fantasy isn't nearly so. If mental fantasy were a driver, it should be happening en mass.

Or was our brain just testing and working through scenarios instead of overloading our stress levels to the point they are the bigger threat. Why is sex treated so differently, like it has far more mind generated agency?

Shame is deadly. Whatever "prevention" occurs by meat grinding people's sense of self, normalness, and health just to get people who are crazy predispositioned to do their deeds anyway to *maybe* stop or slow up is the cure worse than the disease.

Joan states it better than anyone I've read.



Writing is not Freud's secret portal to the dark nature of our (personal) humanity.

It's us figuring the gargantuan complexity of existence out.

It's just testing. Brain is a glorious failing machine.

Write. Everyone should.

 

[MrPixel]

Hellos. So I've been around for a long time here. At least 10+ years. But only recently have started interacting with folks.

Thank you very, very much for being here. I cannot advise with any authority regarding your dilemma, but what blew me away was your totally cogent, well-stated and well-written request for assistance. It, to me, was in itself an enjoyable and thought-provoking read.

You have chops. I am seriously looking forward to your first story here.

 

[AlinaX]

I've started many stories that I deleted because writing them made me feel dirty. I've published some stories here that give me an ick feeling, and sometimes I'm tempted to delete them. I have a very experimental approach at times and this leads in often uncomfortable directions.

 

[Omenainen]

So I've recently gotten an itch to try writing something myself. Having noticed that I often want stories I read to go a different way. Or not seeing a particular kink written about very much. And then seeing the advice someone gave to another in the comments "Maybe you should write your own story then"

And now you’ve already discovered it’s not so easy after all?

And then, whatever you write, someone will come along and say “oh but they should’ve done <a kink>”, or “this should’ve happened and not that”, or “you don’t understand your own characters, they would never do that”…

A lot of things in life are easier to do from the sidelines. Like sports.

If you do decide to give it a go, welcome and godspeed! It’s a great hobby.

 

[Sunstone769]

"You'll get a lot of different perspectives on this issue" (fights with the quote tool but gives up, vowing to learn it later when there is time)


Very true SimonDoom. I kind of expected that when I started to ponder posting this. And I'm not disappointed. Big thank-you to everyone. I really appreciate the time you took to give your feedback.

btw, the names I don't recognize I'll probably be looking up later to see what you've created in order to find something new. Looking at StillStunned and SimonDoom already.



Thank-you all who have so far posted your thoughts. The many points of view and input has been very helpful so far and I've been disappointed in none of them.



So call outs to the people so far:

Jackie.Hikaru: That was the best first post I could have gotten for this. You made me laugh, probably my favorite, thank-you.

AlinaX, Bramblethorn and Emily: thank-you. Had a slight "senpai noticed me" moment there. I really appreciate your thoughts A LOT as I've read your work and thoroughly enjoyed them. I'm not currently planning 'rape' stories, those get too dark. But, I do enjoy someone being taken out of their comfort zone, or being forced some or being unable to get off the ride once its started... which in any court of law is rape. (story rape? fantasy rape light?) Even if the target loves it, and even if the doer does so with good and loving intentions, its still probably is. Even when the writer and reader knows,-- not unlike gods, --that this is for their own good and will be to the character's benefit. Which in story, we can know how on-board the character is with what's happening. By hearing their thoughts and feelings, which we can not in the real world. Do you think there is a line where its not rape in a story while still being "reluctant" or forceful? In the real world no, but in a controlled story? Or am I kidding myself, and it's all on a spectrum of rape? I think the kink remains interesting to me, and I want to write such, because I wouldn't mind if someone,-- caveat being someone who I would find interesting and a good match, --coming in and kind of sweeping me away knowing my own shyness and introverted-ness would hold down the brakes (unwisely) if I could intervene. And skip all the hard stuff involved in finding people and get to the good stuff. But I also know that fantasy would never work in the real world. However, I still want to craft similar in story. ((Edit: re-read that world salad, and thought I could do better: "Is it possible to have non-consent or lack of consent, but not have it be 'rape', in the confines of a fantasy/story? And how? Or is it just not doable even with the writer's omniscience?"

Alinax, your idea on an outside force does help. I already have a plot element that can double as this so, its a convenient idea that I'll be running with. I think however there is still the little voice in my brain saying at me in a sing-song voice "yeah, but who made the machine/creature that made the humans do that, hmm?" It however has made me realized that a good number of stories that I've liked, have that element.

Emily: "Make it supernatural or sci-fi" very much the plan already, though just because I think my brain is more comfortable there. But the concept of it being a buffer is a good one that helps. I'll make good use of that, thanks! (Also, love love love "A Good Girl Gone Bad", love the three leads, especially Ella)

8Letters and Euphony: Thank-you. Your thoughts and encouragement, it really resonated with me more than I can say. Very helpful. And yeah 8Letters, the dad, having that uneven power dynamic, as the seducer is just... That doesn't do it for me.

ShelbyDawn57: I have kind of constantly encountered this too. The "you're not as deviant as much as you think in comparison" thing. Which does help to hear, even if not the first time. Its good to still kind of know where on the kink spectrum I am.

MrPixel: Thanks! Spelling and grammar take a lot of effort for me, more than for most. Its an old ( and under) diagnosed issue for me even as a native speaker. I proofed that like three times. But hearing that gives me hope that I could do this and maybe do so well.

StillStunned, Dybbuk and HordHolm: I think you have some good advice. I think I will do as you suggest and hold off after writing before posting just to get a fresh feel later. I kind of was already planning to after reading the howto entry that Silkstockingslover recently wrote (which when I read, kind of sealed the deal that I was going to try to do this). Because I kind of want to get enough chapters done that there is a complete story, or at least a good ending point. So I can post over time, but not just disappear and not finish the journey people might go on reading them if I burn out.

Omenainen: Yeah, its a good call out even though I know that's coming. Yet I suspect reader opinions will hit harder than I think it will.

alohadave: It would be nice if we could give an exaggerated anime style slap to the side of the head to people to say "stop this dumbness". But its probably best we don't. Though I think I get what your saying, and yeah good point.

 

[AlinaX]

Alinax, your idea on an outside force does help. I already have a plot element that can double as this so, its a convenient idea that I'll be running with. I think however there is still the little voice in my brain saying at me in a sing-song voice "yeah, but who made the machine/creature that made the humans do that, hmm?" It however has made me realized that a good number of stories that I've liked, have that element.

There's a SciFi trope where ancient aliens make a machine with some particular purpose appears to us in an entirely different context to be mischievous / malevolent. On Lit, the almost obvious spin on this is a machine that is designed to assist breeding of farmstock that identifies unknown humans as new livestock and tries different techniques to encourage mating and improve fertility.

The strange new bipedal specimens continued to maintain a distance from each other. The machine had removed the obstructive garments and had administered a cocktail of drugs designed to boost arousal and fertility, but instead of copulating as expected, the specimens were making frantic noises and waving their limbs in a peculiar fashion. An additional prompt was necessary, the machine concluded, and it reduced the dimensions of the cell until physical contact was achieved.

 

[Duleigh]

So my issue is I find myself hesitating and freezing at the idea of writing anything that might be seen as taboo. Even just a little bit.

Don't write about it.
Problem Solved!!!

When you start out, write about what you know. My first story was based on a campout I went on in my early 20s. Stay in your comfort zone. Build your confidence.
DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.
We will know if you're uncomfortable, it will show. Look at my work. The vast majority of my work is about people in a committed relationship, and the only kink they get into is 100% consensual. Sounds boring? I get some good scores because I try to make it as real and as loving as I can. Even my SF/Fantasy is based on real people with real feelings.

Don't think you have to jump into the deep end with non consent/mind control and whips and chains. Work your way into the taboo if that's what you want to write. (my worst scores are on taboo subjects)

 

[EmilyMiller]

"You'll get a lot of different perspectives on this issue" (fights with the quote tool but gives up, vowing to learn it later when there is time)


Very true SimonDoom. I kind of expected that when I started to ponder posting this. And I'm not disappointed. Big thank-you to everyone. I really appreciate the time you took to give your feedback.

btw, the names I don't recognize I'll probably be looking up later to see what you've created in order to find something new. Looking at StillStunned and SimonDoom already.



Thank-you all who have so far posted your thoughts. The many points of view and input has been very helpful so far and I've been disappointed in none of them.



So call outs to the people so far:

Jackie.Hikaru: That was the best first post I could have gotten for this. You made me laugh, probably my favorite, thank-you.

AlinaX, Bramblethorn and Emily: thank-you. Had a slight "senpai noticed me" moment there. I really appreciate your thoughts A LOT as I've read your work and thoroughly enjoyed them. I'm not currently planning 'rape' stories, those get too dark. But, I do enjoy someone being taken out of their comfort zone, or being forced some or being unable to get off the ride once its started... which in any court of law is rape. (story rape? fantasy rape light?) Even if the target loves it, and even if the doer does so with good and loving intentions, its still probably is. Even when the writer and reader knows,-- not unlike gods, --that this is for their own good and will be to the character's benefit. Which in story, we can know how on-board the character is with what's happening. By hearing their thoughts and feelings, which we can not in the real world. Do you think there is a line where its not rape in a story while still being "reluctant" or forceful? In the real world no, but in a controlled story? Or am I kidding myself, and it's all on a spectrum of rape? I think the kink remains interesting to me, and I want to write such, because I wouldn't mind if someone,-- caveat being someone who I would find interesting and a good match, --coming in and kind of sweeping me away knowing my own shyness and introverted-ness would hold down the brakes (unwisely) if I could intervene. And skip all the hard stuff involved in finding people and get to the good stuff. But I also know that fantasy would never work in the real world. However, I still want to craft similar in story. ((Edit: re-read that world salad, and thought I could do better: "Is it possible to have non-consent or lack of consent, but not have it be 'rape', in the confines of a fantasy/story? And how? Or is it just not doable even with the writer's omniscience?"

Alinax, your idea on an outside force does help. I already have a plot element that can double as this so, its a convenient idea that I'll be running with. I think however there is still the little voice in my brain saying at me in a sing-song voice "yeah, but who made the machine/creature that made the humans do that, hmm?" It however has made me realized that a good number of stories that I've liked, have that element.

Emily: "Make it supernatural or sci-fi" very much the plan already, though just because I think my brain is more comfortable there. But the concept of it being a buffer is a good one that helps. I'll make good use of that, thanks! (Also, love love love "A Good Girl Gone Bad", love the three leads, especially Ella)

8Letters and Euphony: Thank-you. Your thoughts and encouragement, it really resonated with me more than I can say. Very helpful. And yeah 8Letters, the dad, having that uneven power dynamic, as the seducer is just... That doesn't do it for me.

ShelbyDawn57: I have kind of constantly encountered this too. The "you're not as deviant as much as you think in comparison" thing. Which does help to hear, even if not the first time. Its good to still kind of know where on the kink spectrum I am.

MrPixel: Thanks! Spelling and grammar take a lot of effort for me, more than for most. Its an old ( and under) diagnosed issue for me even as a native speaker. I proofed that like three times. But hearing that gives me hope that I could do this and maybe do so well.

StillStunned, Dybbuk and HordHolm: I think you have some good advice. I think I will do as you suggest and hold off after writing before posting just to get a fresh feel later. I kind of was already planning to after reading the howto entry that Silkstockingslover recently wrote (which when I read, kind of sealed the deal that I was going to try to do this). Because I kind of want to get enough chapters done that there is a complete story, or at least a good ending point. So I can post over time, but not just disappear and not finish the journey people might go on reading them if I burn out.

Omenainen: Yeah, its a good call out even though I know that's coming. Yet I suspect reader opinions will hit harder than I think it will.

alohadave: It would be nice if we could give an exaggerated anime style slap to the side of the head to people to say "stop this dumbness". But it’s probably best we don't. Though I think I get what you’re saying, and yeah good point.

I might come back to content tomorrow, but my undying respect for the acknowledgments (and no I don’t just mean of me).

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

Don't write about it.
Problem Solved!!!

When you start out, write about what you know. My first story was based on a campout I went on in my early 20s. Stay in your comfort zone. Build your confidence.
DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING THAT MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.
We will know if you're uncomfortable, it will show. Look at my work. The vast majority of my work is about people in a committed relationship, and the only kink they get into is 100% consensual. Sounds boring? I get some good scores because I try to make it as real and as loving as I can. Even my SF/Fantasy is based on real people with real feelings.

Don't think you have to jump into the deep end with non consent/mind control and whips and chains. Work your way into the taboo if that's what you want to write. (my worst scores are on taboo subjects)

Totally this