My stories keeps got sent back and I don't understand why.

[53550]

A while ago I've tried to publish some stories, but they got send back with 2 issue:

The characters weren't 18

The victim wasn't getting pleasure

Now, for the 18 years old part, what do I have to do? The character are all 18, I just didn't write that. I always need to put a disclaimer?

But for the victim part comes my confusion. I've send the story back, changing the tag from "fetish" to "non consensual" but they still sent it back for the same reason. Why, if the victim isn't consensual in a "non consensual" story, it got sent back? It's like not accepting a love story with a tag specifically for love story. What should I do?

 

[jaF0]

What should I do?

Start by giving us more to go on. Tell us a bit about the story and content.

 

[Bamagan]

A while ago I've tried to publish some stories, but they got send back with 2 issue:

The characters weren't 18

The victim wasn't getting pleasure

Now, for the 18 years old part, what do I have to do? The character are all 18, I just didn't write that. I always need to put a disclaimer?

But for the victim part comes my confusion. I've send the story back, changing the tag from "fetish" to "non consensual" but they still sent it back for the same reason. Why, if the victim isn't consensual in a "non consensual" story, it got sent back? It's like not accepting a love story with a tag specifically for love story. What should I do?

For the age part, you don't necessarily have to put in a disclaimer or explicitly state their ages, but if you leave it vague and/or describe them in ways that could leave it open to question, such as calling them high schoolers or something, the site wants additional assurances that they're 18 or more. Kind of like the warnings when you buy alcohol that says anyone who looks to be under 30 gets carded.
As for the other part, it's hard to say without reading your story, so you might want to get a volunteer editor. There are dozens of threads about what is and is not allowed in regards to non-consent, but it sounds like your story might be about a fantasy of forcing someone rather than a fantasy of someone being forced. The distinction may seem minor but in the latter case the 'victim' is either experiencing a fantasy of their own or otherwise deriving some enjoyment from the situation they find themselves in, which Lit allows. If the only gratification in the story comes from the aggressor, that's a much harder sell here.

 

[HordHolm]

As Bamagan has put it: if your characters are a doctor and a lawyer, then of course they're over 18 because outside Doogie Howser nobody gets to be a Doctor until they're 25 or so. Ditto with lawyers. So you need to think about who these characters are and what they do, and if they e.g. still live with mum and dad then something needs to be added to show that they still live with mum and dad despite being adults (so you might have a character complain about having to live with parents because of the shitty housing market, etc).

As for the pleasure part, I suspect that Bamagan has identified the issue you are having - the victim is truly a victim, rather than in their fantasy. I have written a story in which someone was truly a victim, but there was a pay-off, a factor which modified the situation. And I made sure the act was committed by a perpetrator a reader wouldn't have sympathy for, and there was a negative long-term result for the perpetrator. There was no glorification.

 

[EmilyMiller]

A while ago I've tried to publish some stories, but they got send back with 2 issue:

The characters weren't 18

The victim wasn't getting pleasure

Now, for the 18 years old part, what do I have to do? The character are all 18, I just didn't write that. I always need to put a disclaimer?

Make it totally clear that they are all 18+

But for the victim part comes my confusion. I've send the story back, changing the tag from "fetish" to "non consensual" but they still sent it back for the same reason. Why, if the victim isn't consensual in a "non consensual" story, it got sent back? It's like not accepting a love story with a tag specifically for love story. What should I do?

The fig leaf that Lit has for allowing rape porn on the site is that the woman (it’s always a woman) being raped has to enjoy it at some point (yeah like that would happen).

I’ve written rape scenes, but a) only in a Sci-Fi / Fantasy setting, b) it’s written as the opposite of titillating, c) the entities being “raped” are mostly not human women and the act has little impact on them (I guess the psychology is pretty transparent), d) what they are going through is to achieve some important goal. Oh and very bad things then happen to the rapist (e.g. they get beaten to close to death by Satan possessing one of the raped FMCs).

If you want to publish rape porn without fig leaves, maybe try elsewhere.

Em

 

[gunhilltrain]

As Bamagan has put it: if your characters are a doctor and a lawyer, then of course they're over 18 because outside Doogie Howser nobody gets to be a Doctor until they're 25 or so. Ditto with lawyers. So you need to think about who these characters are and what they do, and if they e.g. still live with mum and dad then something needs to be added to show that they still live with mum and dad despite being adults (so you might have a character complain about having to live with parents because of the shitty housing market, etc).

As for the pleasure part, I suspect that Bamagan has identified the issue you are having - the victim is truly a victim, rather than in their fantasy. I have written a story in which someone was truly a victim, but there was a pay-off, a factor which modified the situation. And I made sure the act was committed by a perpetrator a reader wouldn't have sympathy for, and there was a negative long-term result for the perpetrator. There was no glorification.

These points basically cover the issues. You must have written something that implies that the characters are teenagers below the age of eighteen. If they are still in high school (some people drop out earlier than eighteen) you should say that they are seniors, and the closer to graduation they are, the better.

The non-consent issue has been a big point of concern here because the rules are a bit fuzzy and not only always enforced consistently. HordHolm got his through, but I interpret it as usually being more about the fate (or state of mind) of the victim, not the perpetrator. It reminds me of the old Movie Code where criminals could be portrayed as long as they paid the price at the end. That could simply mean being arrested, like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard.

 

[RejectReality]

You may not consider certain things "sexual content" that Lit does when it comes to under 18. An underage person looking at women in bikinis is going to get it sent back. Same for hearing sex from down the hall. Keep anyone under 18 demonstrably far away from any sexual content. Be explicit about it. Send them to grandma's or their friend's house. State they're at school. Something. You can have younger people in a story to advance the story, but once you come anywhere near the naughty bits, put those kids on a bus and get them far away.

Even if you state that your characters are over 18, it can be kicked back if Laurel believes that's a band-aid disclaimer for a character that's obviously written as underage.

The basic guideline for non-con is that Lit will publish "rape fantasies" but not "rapist fantasies". It's not particularly clear because it's entirely up to Laurel's interpretation. If you're writing Non-con, you're going to get a lot of rejection slips until you find where Laurel's boundaries lie. Reading what's available can't necessarily tell you that, because she also skims everything, and stuff slips through. It can only be determined by what gets kicked back to you and others. Really, it's what's kicked back to you unless you read the other person's actual text, because a lot of folks downplay the elements that get the story kicked back to them when they come here to complain.

 

[MrPixel]

An underage person looking at women in bikinis is going to get it sent back.

Or an of-age person looking at a possibly <18 woman in a swimsuit. Firsthand knowledge.

 

[53550]

Start by giving us more to go on. Tell us a bit about the story and content.

Long story short, the 2 stories are ballbusting themed. In the first, a boy peep on the cheerleaders and get his nuts busted, and used for pleasuring the two irls. The second is about a man that got a visit from a debt collector. She buts his nuts pretty hard (but no castration is involved). While i can get why i got the +18 disclaimer, and it was my bad for not writing the age, i don't get much the non con part.

For the age part, you don't necessarily have to put in a disclaimer or explicitly state their ages, but if you leave it vague and/or describe them in ways that could leave it open to question, such as calling them high schoolers or something, the site wants additional assurances that they're 18 or more. Kind of like the warnings when you buy alcohol that says anyone who looks to be under 30 gets carded.
As for the other part, it's hard to say without reading your story, so you might want to get a volunteer editor. There are dozens of threads about what is and is not allowed in regards to non-consent, but it sounds like your story might be about a fantasy of forcing someone rather than a fantasy of someone being forced. The distinction may seem minor but in the latter case the 'victim' is either experiencing a fantasy of their own or otherwise deriving some enjoyment from the situation they find themselves in, which Lit allows. If the only gratification in the story comes from the aggressor, that's a much harder sell here.

For the age part, you're probably right. I know it was my bad for not writing it since it coud be misleading.

For the non con part i find it more hard to understand. Trying to summarixe the 2 stories, they're ballbusting themed. In one a guy get beaten by a debt collector, while in the other a guy perv on 2 cheerleaders and they punish him.

As Bamagan has put it: if your characters are a doctor and a lawyer, then of course they're over 18 because outside Doogie Howser nobody gets to be a Doctor until they're 25 or so. Ditto with lawyers. So you need to think about who these characters are and what they do, and if they e.g. still live with mum and dad then something needs to be added to show that they still live with mum and dad despite being adults (so you might have a character complain about having to live with parents because of the shitty housing market, etc).

As for the pleasure part, I suspect that Bamagan has identified the issue you are having - the victim is truly a victim, rather than in their fantasy. I have written a story in which someone was truly a victim, but there was a pay-off, a factor which modified the situation. And I made sure the act was committed by a perpetrator a reader wouldn't have sympathy for, and there was a negative long-term result for the perpetrator. There was no glorification.

While now i get what to do with the age thing, I'm still confused on the non con part. I'll try to explain what i've understand. If someone got raped is good only if something bad happens to the rapist, or there is kind of a pay-off, right?

Make it totally clear that they are all 18+

The fig leaf that Lit has for allowing rape porn on the site is that the woman (it’s always a woman) being raped has to enjoy it at some point (yeah like that would happen).

I’ve written rape scenes, but a) only in a Sci-Fi / Fantasy setting, b) it’s written as the opposite of titillating, c) the entities being “raped” are mostly not human women and the act has little impact on them (I guess the psychology is pretty transparent), d) what they are going through is to achieve some important goal. Oh and very bad things then happen to the rapist (e.g. they get beaten to close to death by Satan possessing one of the raped FMCs).

If you want to publish rape porn without fig leaves, maybe try elsewhere.

Em

Now i know what to do with the age, thanks!

Since english isn't my native lanuguage, can you explain me wht a "fig leaf" mean?

only in a Sci-Fi / Fantasy setting

the entities being “raped” are mostly not human women

Why this are allowed? Genuine question because i don't get it.

Back to my stories, in a nutshell, in the first one, there is a guy that peep on the cheerleaders, they caught him and punish him. In the second story, a guy get beaten by a debt collector. They're both ballbusting themed, so you can guess what kind of beating or punishment the men get(No castration).
They the rape them but, while i get why the debt collector story couldn't be accepted, i can't get why not the first one. The guy geting punished is actually the bad guy.

These points basically cover the issues. You must have written something that implies that the characters are teenagers below the age of eighteen. If they are still in high school (some people drop out earlier than eighteen) you should say that they are seniors, and the closer to graduation they are, the better.

The non-consent issue has been a big point of concern here because the rules are a bit fuzzy and not only always enforced consistently. HordHolm got his through, but I interpret it as usually being more about the fate (or state of mind) of the victim, not the perpetrator. It reminds me of the old Movie Code where criminals could be portrayed as long as they paid the price at the end. That could simply mean being arrested, like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard.

Reading others users answers i get my error in the age thing, but i still don't get the non con part.
The two stories, with a ballbusting theme (No castration), involve a man getting beaten and raped. While i get why one of the story gor rejected (It was about a man getting ballbusted pretty hard by a debt collector), i still can't get it for the secon. It's about a guy perving on the cheerleaders, getting caught and then beated and raped, but isn't it kinda right since it's the bad guy that get punished?

 

[MrPixel]

It's about a guy perving on the cheerleaders,

High school cheerleaders, or unclear? That'll get it kicked, for sure. No "perving" on anybody depicted as possibly <18.

 

[53550]

You may not consider certain things "sexual content" that Lit does when it comes to under 18. An underage person looking at women in bikinis is going to get it sent back. Same for hearing sex from down the hall. Keep anyone under 18 demonstrably far away from any sexual content. Be explicit about it. Send them to grandma's or their friend's house. State they're at school. Something. You can have younger people in a story to advance the story, but once you come anywhere near the naughty bits, put those kids on a bus and get them far away.

Even if you state that your characters are over 18, it can be kicked back if Laurel believes that's a band-aid disclaimer for a character that's obviously written as underage.

The basic guideline for non-con is that Lit will publish "rape fantasies" but not "rapist fantasies". It's not particularly clear because it's entirely up to Laurel's interpretation. If you're writing Non-con, you're going to get a lot of rejection slips until you find where Laurel's boundaries lie. Reading what's available can't necessarily tell you that, because she also skims everything, and stuff slips through. It can only be determined by what gets kicked back to you and others. Really, it's what's kicked back to you unless you read the other person's actual text, because a lot of folks downplay the elements that get the story kicked back to them when they come here to complain.

While I get where did I do wrong on the age part, I still can't quite get the non con stuff. You'll probaby read what my stories talks about in my other response but in a nutshell, while one i get why it got sent back, i dont get the other.

 

[53550]

High school cheerleaders, or unclear? That'll get it kicked, for sure. No "perving" on anybody depicted as possibly <18.

High school, but they where all 18+ so they should be allowed.

 

[HordHolm]

While I get where did I do wrong on the age part, I still can't quite get the non con stuff. You'll probaby read what my stories talks about in my other response but in a nutshell, while one i get why it got sent back, i dont get the other.

Basically, did the victim get pleasure? If not, then it will be difficult for it to be accepted.

 

[jaF0]

Long story short, the 2 stories are ballbusting themed. In the first, a boy peep on the cheerleaders and get his nuts busted, and used for pleasuring the two irls. The second is about a man that got a visit from a debt collector. She buts his nuts pretty hard (but no castration is involved).

I'd reject those also.

 

[RejectReality]

Long story short, the 2 stories are ballbusting themed. In the first, a boy peep on the cheerleaders and get his nuts busted, and used for pleasuring the two irls. The second is about a man that got a visit from a debt collector. She buts his nuts pretty hard (but no castration is involved). While i can get why i got the +18 disclaimer, and it was my bad for not writing the age, i don't get much the non con part.

So it was kicked back for excessive violence and not non-con?

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/rejected-story-what-does-it-mean-what-now.175666/

Added by Laurel for clarification: While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.

 

[53550]

Basically, did the victim get pleasure? If not, then it will be difficult for it to be accepted.

They don't get much. I get why the debt dealer isn't allowed, but in the cheerleader one shouldn't be accepted since the bad guy is the perv and got punished?

 

[MrPixel]

High school, but they where all 18+ so they should be allowed.

Implausible scenario. You can say they're 18 all you want, but IRL very, very few HS cheerleaders are >17.

Cheerleading squads are established at the beginning of the school year. Even seniors will be 17 at that point.

 

[53550]

I'd reject those also.

Why? Genuine question. You simply don't like that or there is a problem?

 

[53550]

Implausible scenario. You can say they're 18 all you want, but IRL very, very few HS cheerleaders are >17.

They where meant to be seniors, so at their last year, even the boy.

 

[HordHolm]

High school, but they where all 18+ so they should be allowed.

Ok, but make them pro-cheerleaders for a professional sports team and you avoid the possibility of the site thinking, 'well, he says they're 18, but they're schoolgirls.'

 

[53550]

So it was kicked back for excessive violence and not non-con?

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/rejected-story-what-does-it-mean-what-now.175666/

Added by Laurel for clarification: While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.

Maybe there is excessive violence, because no one dies and there is no castration.

 

[MrPixel]

They where meant to be seniors, so at their last year, even the boy.

Heed my edit.

 

[53550]

Ok, but make them pro-cheerleaders for a professional sports team and you avoid the possibility of the site thinking, 'well, he says they're 18, but they're schoolgirls.'

Oh, I didn't know this actually existed! I will try, thanks!

 

[53550]

Heed my edit.

The one about the impossible scenario?

 

[HordHolm]

They don't get much. I get why the debt dealer isn't allowed, but in the cheerleader one shouldn't be accepted since the bad guy is the perv and got punished?

Regardless of whether the 'bad guy' is a perv who deserves to get punished, he is punished by being assaulted and raped. If there is no element of fantasy or pleasure on his part over his punishment - so, for example, its the punishment he really wants, not the cheerleaders he is perving over, then you are merely punishing a crime with another crime. It will get rejected.