Israel Behind 9/11

[woody54]

Ah hahahahahahahahahahahaha

You will believe anything

Ah hahahahahahahahahahaha

Well Dohhh!!!

Touché Bill but do separate the facts from the rhetoric before you come to a conclusion.

How many Americans still believe in UFOs and WMD without facts.
So who really has the tinfoil hat on?

 

[bill-pix-trade]

Well Dohhh!!!

Touché Bill but do separate the facts from the rhetoric before you come to a conclusion.

How many Americans still believe in UFOs and WMD without facts.
So who really has the tinfoil hat on?

I not positive that I am the one you should be lecturing about facts and rhetoric.

I think we can go back and check plenty of things that were alleged, and never came to fruition on both sides of the coin.

Why can't there be UFOs, it is possible. I have never seen one, but do you think we are the only ones.

 

[krastner]

krastner, now let's see how many different ways you can misspell a-n-t-i-s-e-m-i-t-i-s-m.

Why don't you try n-a-z-i? It might be easier on your brain.

Don't you undrstand that similar cases, full of specious reasoning, could be built against any group? (Now, let's see, what ethnic group is kastner a member of? Hmm ...) To do so only furthers hate and suspicion in the world.

Wait a minute..a-n-t-i-m-e-t-i-s-m..lets' see oh yeah that is what the Israelis practice. I mean arabs are semetic people too so the Israeli is being anti- semetic everytime they kill a Palestinian child or baby( like the ones that they throw and catch on their bayonets...Listen you dumb shit ( that's not furthering hate ...that's just telling you what your are.. the Israelis are trying to destroy the world and creeps like you lick their asses...suck it up

 

[krastner]

Report: Sept. 11 attacks, stock gains not linked
High volume has other explanations

By Andrew Countryman
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 23, 2004

Despite concerns that arose after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, investigators said Thursday that they found no evidence that anyone profited from stock and options trading based on advance knowledge of the attacks.

Shortly after the attacks, reports emerged that in the days leading up to Sept. 11, some traders placed unusually large bets for stock prices to fall at several firms, particularly for the parent companies of United and American Airlines, whose planes were hijacked and used in the attacks.

That prompted speculation that some people who knew about the attacks also had sought to make a quick buck.

Before the attacks, volume in put options and short selling, which make money when a stock price falls, had spiked for United parent UAL Corp., American parent AMR Corp. and plane giant Boeing Co. Traders also reported heavier-than-usual volume in several hotel stocks, which were also vulnerable to a sharp drop-off in travel.

Stocks indeed sank when markets reopened after the attacks, with shares of UAL dropping 43 percent on the day trading resumed and AMR's shares falling 39 percent.

Tribune research had put the potential profits from the UAL options trading alone at more than $4 million.

But in its long-awaited report released Thursday, the bipartisan 9/11 commission said each trade had "an innocuous explanation."

The commission said an unidentified U.S. institutional investor "with no conceivable ties to Al Qaeda" bought 95 percent of UAL put options on Sept. 6, when volume soared, as part of a trading strategy that also saw it buy shares of AMR. The panel attributed a sharp climb in AMR put options volume on Sept. 10 to a recommendation in an options-trading newsletter.

The commission said investigators at the FBI, the Securities and Exchange Commission and other agencies "devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue," with the help of foreign governments.

The SEC said it examined more than 9.5 million transactions involving 103 companies in various industries, along with trading in several index products.

"We did not develop any evidence suggesting that anyone who had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks traded on the basis of that information," the SEC said in a statement.

Puke...Puke...gag...gag...

 

[Tathagata]

Puke...Puke...gag...gag...

Nice come back

 

[krastner]

Well Dohhh!!!

Touché Bill but do separate the facts from the rhetoric before you come to a conclusion.

How many Americans still believe in UFOs and WMD without facts.
So who really has the tinfoil hat on?

Yeah billprix seperate the facts and come to a contusion...Don't hurt your head dude..it's already dead..hey that makes you a deadhead...

 

[YogiBare]

Wait a minute..a-n-t-i-m-e-t-i-s-m..lets' see oh yeah that is what the Israelis practice. I mean arabs are semetic people too so the Israeli is being anti- semetic everytime they kill a Palestinian child or baby( like the ones that they throw and catch on their bayonets...Listen you dumb shit ( that's not furthering hate ...that's just telling you what your are.. the Israelis are trying to destroy the world and creeps like you lick their asses...suck it up

Creeps like this are so predictable.

 

[Beco]

Kras baby, you are a Douche bag!!!

 

[krastner]

Creeps like this are so predictable.

yes you are

 

[YogiBare]

yes you are

Nya, nya-nya nya, nya!

And so easily manipulated, too.

Later, Babyface.

 

[woody54]

krastner, now let's see how many different ways you can misspell a-n-t-i-s-e-m-i-t-i-s-m.

Why don't you try n-a-z-i? It might be easier on your brain.

Don't you undrstand that similar cases, full of specious reasoning, could be built against any group? (Now, let's see, what ethnic group is kastner a member of? Hmm ...) To do so only furthers hate and suspicion in the world.

I'm surprised it took a whole page for the antisemitism defense to come out and backed up by the Nazi slur.

Krastner is an American and he is rightly upset that someone fucked with them at home and through the course of normal investigations, various Israelis have been fingered as being associated with the the overall ramifications of the terrorist plot.

The antisemitic twist here associated with this is that of the callous usury of share dealings associated with the preknown deaths of thousands of Americans. I can understand why you dont want anyone to talk about that but get over it, it happened.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Report: Sept. 11 attacks, stock gains not linked
High volume has other explanations

By Andrew Countryman
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 23, 2004

Despite concerns that arose after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, investigators said Thursday that they found no evidence that anyone profited from stock and options trading based on advance knowledge of the attacks.

Shortly after the attacks, reports emerged that in the days leading up to Sept. 11, some traders placed unusually large bets for stock prices to fall at several firms, particularly for the parent companies of United and American Airlines, whose planes were hijacked and used in the attacks.

That prompted speculation that some people who knew about the attacks also had sought to make a quick buck.

Before the attacks, volume in put options and short selling, which make money when a stock price falls, had spiked for United parent UAL Corp., American parent AMR Corp. and plane giant Boeing Co. Traders also reported heavier-than-usual volume in several hotel stocks, which were also vulnerable to a sharp drop-off in travel.

Stocks indeed sank when markets reopened after the attacks, with shares of UAL dropping 43 percent on the day trading resumed and AMR's shares falling 39 percent.

Tribune research had put the potential profits from the UAL options trading alone at more than $4 million.

But in its long-awaited report released Thursday, the bipartisan 9/11 commission said each trade had "an innocuous explanation."

The commission said an unidentified U.S. institutional investor "with no conceivable ties to Al Qaeda" bought 95 percent of UAL put options on Sept. 6, when volume soared, as part of a trading strategy that also saw it buy shares of AMR. The panel attributed a sharp climb in AMR put options volume on Sept. 10 to a recommendation in an options-trading newsletter.

The commission said investigators at the FBI, the Securities and Exchange Commission and other agencies "devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue," with the help of foreign governments.

The SEC said it examined more than 9.5 million transactions involving 103 companies in various industries, along with trading in several index products.

"We did not develop any evidence suggesting that anyone who had advance knowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks traded on the basis of that information," the SEC said in a statement.

After the many investigations into the asassinations of JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King I wonder how Americans can place any faith in a report by any government agency made to investigate an event in which that agency is investigating itself.

A better question may be "What were the transactions of brokers for oil corporations and that "investment" bank the Cambridge Group, owned by the Saud family with director Daddy Bush?"

The key words of this press release are the last paragraph. The evidence was developed?? No . . . surely, "the evidence was investigated" . . . to develop evidence is like creative accounting, making things appear different to what they really are . . .

Of course, the last paragraph also implies that SOMEBODY had knowledge that 9/11 would occur . . . they just didn't trade on the NYX before the event . . .

 

[woody54]

I didn't know you needed gust to yell jew. Jello? Do you mean Jello?

Is this just cultural insecurity that denies the Zionists their own place in history.
The problems perceived as emanating from Israel has everything to do with Zionists, an increasing number of whom are not Jews, but pose as fundamentalist Christians who pervert their faith to get on the bandwagon.

Zionism is a political movement , not a religion.
It is dedicated to re-establishing a Jewish Homeland in full biblical reality in preparation for fulfilling the Revelations. They have made wonderful progress in 100 years by terrorism, graft, deception and conspiracy.

Given another 50 years of similar progress, the Neofeudal state of the global economy, after the fall of the US and EU, will be just the scenario needed for the Jewish Kingdim to take its "rightful, God given place". You will note the crank end of the Orthodox movement in Zionism have little regard for the decadence of modern capitalism and technology so Feudalism is spot on for their Biblical world.

THe US has already ackowledged in law, the Talmudic Noahide Laws which will be used to marshal the Goys including the old barbarism of beheadings.

All this sham offence by American Jews is self induced bullshit generated by powerful propaganda machines like the JDL and ADL telling you what to think.

Roll on Gog and Magog. There has to be some traumatic direction changing occurrence soon to restore survivablility within our environment by population reduction .
Maybe this is one option that has a strong possibility of happening.

 

[Beco]

What a shock, Woody is posting in a Thread about jews!!! wow!

 

[kbate]

After the many investigations into the asassinations of JFK, RFK and Martin Luther King I wonder how Americans can place any faith in a report by any government agency made to investigate an event in which that agency is investigating itself............... drivel deleted

I agree with everything you have ever said or thought.. and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[woody54]

I not positive that I am the one you should be lecturing about facts and rhetoric.

I think we can go back and check plenty of things that were alleged, and never came to fruition on both sides of the coin.

Why can't there be UFOs, it is possible. I have never seen one, but do you think we are the only ones.

UFO's, LOL, yeah right.

The US military satelite system can tell when a Desert tribesman farts.
In 50 years of paranoia, it would be reasonable for something tangible to have come to light, given the level of scanning technology applied to the question.
UFO's are just another paranoia factor created for the US public primarily.

I recall a survey I saw in the 80's claiming 1 in 10 Americans thought they had been abducted by aliens and had indescibable experiments, mainly sexual, caarried out on them before they came back totally unharmed outwardly.

Where was the balancing paranoia from other countries?

No wonder Scully and Moulder were so successful with their series, people eat this stuff up, even though it is fantasy.

As a non American, it gives me a clearer view of how the American public is warped by subtle propaganda through the media and why the Iraq war mindset was so easy to contruct from lies and inference. Hell, everyone believes that stuff.

And bear in mind this mindset was created in a situation where there was ample "reality" in mainstream media. It was just people made a choice of what they chose to believe and being Pres gives you mega street cred for lying.

 

[krastner]

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All this sham offence by American Jews is self induced bullshit generated by powerful propaganda machines like the JDL and ADL telling you what to think.


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It seems to be working Woody. Look at the knee jerk reactions by the kneejerkers on the forum. Everytime I mention the word Jew of Zionist or Israel they have a case of the shits...

 

[woody54]

What a shock, Woody is posting in a Thread about jews!!! wow!

It is actually about Israeli, dickwad, Cant you read!!!!

Why is everything about you, get over yourself. Go and do something, errr Jewish

 

[woody54]

It seems to be working Woody. Look at the knee jerk reactions by the kneejerkers on the forum. Everytime I mention the word Jew of Zionist or Israel they have a case of the shits...

It is a manifestation of the Zionist ideology coming out in practice where world Jewry are the troops designated with the responsibilty of attcking all and any criticism of the Zionist dream.THis also coincodes with the beliefs of all but the most irreverent Jews.

So every issue needs to be fought on facts and generally, zionist defense is carried out by illinformed religious sheep, who are quickly reduced to personal abuse because they do not have the facts on which to base a credible rebuttal to the moral terpitude displayed by the hand of Zion supposedly on their behalf. The "me is we" is a hell of a hangup to get over for Jews.

You can see why Godwins Law is so obvious in these discussions.

 

[Avery_Chisholm]

ISRAELIS were 9-11 short sale stock buyers, betting on WTC terror strikes, story killed...
author: Mossad watch
FYI. Makes sense to me. Particularly when the Mossad cells were watching the "Al-CIAda" cells the whole time from Virginia to the 9-11 day-of when they were filming the towers being hit and collapsing, celebrating all the while. Of course Rabbi Chertoff of the Homeland Security Department now (then, the second in command under Ashcroft at the DOJ) let the Mossad budding filmmakers out of the country, without explanation, without much media coverage.

trenchant quote: "Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars.""
Mossad emblem attempting to co-opt Jewish heritage:
Mossad emblem attempting to co-opt Jewish heritage: "by way of deception"
SEC SECRET PROBE OF STOCK DEALINGS BEFORE 9/11


Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars."

Short selling of stocks involves the opportunity to gain large profits by passing shares to a friendly third party, then buying them back when the price falls. Historically, if this precedes a traumatic event, it is an indication of foreknowledge. It is widely known that the CIA uses the Promis software to routinely monitor stock trades as a possible warning sign of a terrorist attack or suspicious economic behavior. A week after the Sept.11 attacks, the London Times reported that the CIA had asked regulators for the Financial Services Authority in London to investigate the suspicious sales of millions of shares of stock just prior to the terrorist acts. It was hoped the business paper trail might lead to the terrorists.

Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a clandestine but official effort to resolve the market manipulations There has been a great deal of talk about insider trading of American stocks by certain Israeli groups both in Canada and Germany between August 26 and the Sept.11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Lynne Howard, a spokeswoman for the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), stated that information about who made the trades was available immediately. "We would have been aware of any unusual activity right away. It would have been triggered by any unusual volume. There is an automated system called 'blue sheeting,' or the CBOE Market Surveillance System, that everyone in the business knows about. It provides information on the trades - the name and even the Social Security number on an account - and these surveillance systems are set up specifically to look into insider trading. The system would look at the volume, and then a real person would take over and review it, going back in time and looking at other unusual activity."

Howard continued, "The system is so smart that even if there is a news event that triggers a market event it can go back in time, and even the parameters can be changed depending on what is being looked at. It's a very clever system and it is instantaneous. Even with the system, though, we have very experienced and savvy staff in our market-regulations area who are always looking for things that might be unusual. They're trained to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Even if it's offshore, it might take a little longer, but all offshore accounts have to go through U.S. member firms - members of the CBOE - and it is easily and quickly identifiable who made the trades. The member firm who made the trades has to have identifiable information about the client under the 'Know Your Customer' regulations (and we share all information with the Securities and Exchange Commission.)"

Given all of this, at a minimum the CBOE and government regulators who are conducting the secret investigations have known for some time who made the options puts on a total of 38 stocks that might reasonably be anticipated to have a sharp drop in value because of an attack similar to the 9/11 episode. The silence from the investigating camps could mean several things: Either terrorists are responsible for the puts on the listed stocks or others besides terrorists had foreknowledge of the attack and used this knowledge to reap a nice financial harvest from the tragedy.

Adam Hamilton of Zeal LLC, a North Dakota-based private consulting company that publishes research on markets worldwide, stated that "I heard that $22 million in profits was made on these put options..."

Federal investigators are continuing to be so closed-mouthed about these stock trades, and it is clear that a much wider net has been cast, apparently looking for bigger international fish involved in dubious financial activity relating to the 9/11 attacks on the world stock markets.

Just a month after the attacks the SEC sent out a list of stocks to various securities firms around the world looking for information. The list includes stocks of American, United, Continental, Northwest, Southwest and US Airways airlines, as well as Martin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin Corp., AIG, American Express Corp, American International Group, AMR Corporation, Axa SA, Bank of America Corp, Bank of New York Corp, Bank One Corp, Cigna Group, CNA Financial, Carnival Corp, Chubb Group, John Hancock Financial Services, Hercules Inc, L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc., LTV Corporation, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc., MetLife, Progressive Corp., General Motors, Raytheon, W.R. Grace, Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd., Lone Star Technologies, American Express, the Citigroup Inc. ,Royal & Sun Alliance, Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc., Vornado Reality Trust, Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co., XL Capital Ltd., and Bear Stearns.

The Times said market regulators in Germany, Japan and the US all had received information concerning the short selling of insurance, airlines and arms companies stock, all of which fell sharply in the wake of the attacks.

City of London broker and analyst Richard Crossley noted that someone sold shares in unusually large quantities beginning three weeks before the assault on the WTC and Pentagon.

He said he took this as evidence that someone had insider foreknowledge of the attacks.

"What is more awful than he should aim a stiletto blow at the heart of Western financial markets?" he added. "But to profit from it? Words fail me."

The US Government also admitted it was investigating short selling, which evinced a compellingly strong foreknowledge of the coming Arab attack.

There was unusually heavy trading in airline and insurance stocks several days before Sept.11, which essentially bet on a drop in the worth of the stocks.

It was reported by the Interdisciplinary Center, a counter-terrorism think tank involving former Israeli intelligence officers, that insiders made nearly $16 million profit by short selling shares in American and United Airlines, the two airlines that suffered hijacking, and the investment firm of Morgan Stanley, which occupied 22 floors of the WTC.

Apparently none of the suspicious transactions could be traced to bin Laden because this news item quietly dropped from sight, leaving many people wondering if it tracked back to American firms or intelligence agencies.

Most of these transactions were handled primarily by Deutsche Bank-A.B.Brown, a firm which until 1998 was chaired by A. B."Buzzy" Krongard, who later became executive director of the CIA.

More serious was an article in the Sept. 28, 2001 edition of the Washington Post stating that officials with the instant messaging firm of Odigo in New York confirmed that two employees in Israel received text messages warning of an attack on the WTC two hours before the planes crashed into the buildings!

The firm's vice president of sales and marketing, Alex Diamandis said it was possible that the warning was sent to other Odigo members, but they had not received any reports of such.

The day after, the Jerusalem Post claimed two Israelis died on the hijacked airplanes and that 4,000 were missing at the WTC.

A week later, a Beirut television station reported that 4,000 Israeli employees of the WTC were absent the day of the attack.

This information spread across the Internet but was quickly branded a hoax.

On Sept. 19, the Washington Post reported about 113 Israelis were missing at the WTC and the next day, President Bush noted more than 130 Israelis were victims.

Finally, on Sept. 22, the New York Times stated "There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried."

Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a clandestine but official effort to resolve the market manipulations There has been a great deal of talk about the insider trading of American stocks by certain Israeli groups both in Canada and Germany between August 26 and the Sept.11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Government investigators have maintained a diplomatic silence about a Department of Justice (DOJ) probe of possible profiteering by interested parties with advance knowledge of the attack.

On Sept. 6, 2001, the Thursday before the tragedy, 2,075 put options were made on United Airlines and on Sept. 10, the day before the attacks, 2,282 put options were recorded for American Airlines. Given the prices at the time, this could have yielded speculators between $2 million and $4 million in profit.
The matter still is under investigation and none of the government investigating bodies -including the FBI, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and DOJ -are speaking to reporters about insider trading. Even so, suspicion of insider trading to profit from the Sept. 11 attacks is not limited to U.S. regulators. Investigations were initiated in a number of places including Japan, Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Switzerland and Spain. As in the United States, all are treating these inquiries as if they were state secrets.

http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a048.htm

i doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me

 

[krastner]

i doubt it, but it wouldn't surprise me

Avery. It would overwhelm both of us if all the things that Zionist Israel is responsible for. It would be too much to process. It would be too horrible to contemplate. But just the little that i do come across is chilling.. I don't think that any of the tyrants of the past can come close to what the zionist have and are doing..

 

[krastner]

Maenwhile back on the ranch we hear the plantive wail of the fatjewbird called sharon cry out.."please destroy Iran for us..please..you do this thing so we zionist can have all middle east. so we can raise hateful little zionist to take over world..."

 

[zipman]

Well Dohhh!!!

Touché Bill but do separate the facts from the rhetoric before you come to a conclusion.

How many Americans still believe in UFOs and WMD without facts.
So who really has the tinfoil hat on?

Krastner certainly has one on and if you believe the article then that would make two of you.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Krastner certainly has one on and if you believe the article then that would make two of you.

The difference between them and you is, they have tin foil on their heads. You have tin foil in your head.

 

[zipman]

The difference between them and you is, they have tin foil on their heads. You have tin foil in your head.

Ah yes, typical LT gradeschool humor.


Keep trying, one day you'll come up with an effective insult that I didn't hear back in the 5th grade.