If the Democrats want to win seats next election...

[adrina]

Their influence shrinks into insignificance beside that of labor unions. The NRA had nothing whatsoever to do with the killing in Las Vegas, nothing. So stop the liberal idiocy.

That son of a bitch broke every law in the books illustrating the strength of the "law" when it is broken by insane people. He is the responsible party, not the NRA, the law, or the lack of the law.

Most Americans see labor unions favorably

 

[Hypoxia]

The guy could bring about world peace, single handedly discover the cure for cancer, end all world hunger and AND poverty.

But he won't. He doesn't live or work to accomplish miracles. He's a divider, not a uniter; an exploiter, not a doer; a taker, not a giver. If he had a cure for world poverty, he'd find a way to bankrupt it, default on it, get a bailout, and take a tax loss. That's his schtick.

(D)'s would screech about what a Nazi he is.

There is literally nothing DJT could EVER DO....EVER....that will get praise from the MSM or all the (D) that are totally convinced he's Satan incarnate.

Tromp repeatedly labeled Dums and honest media as The Enemy. Do you expect your enemy to roll over and lick your stinky toes? And Tromp has repeatedly shown what a shit he is. Do you wish to kiss a turd? Most Dums don't. Gups seem to have no problem there. What does that make them?

But that's kind of the problem: he promised so much, shat on everybody, and polarized the country: great to win power, not so good for changing the country and world for the better.

He's in constant campaign mode because 1) he knows how to campaign, and 2) his administration is a disaster. Disaster relief is a disaster. Health and safety protections are shitcanned. State-bribed firms move jobs overseas anyway.

Really bad optics, so distract distract distract. Attack the NFL that wouldn't have him as an owner. Call Nazis "fine people" and whip up his old-white-guy base. Blame PR for its hurricane, when Congress' rule of that territory is the root of its financial and physical woes. When more bad optics pop up, run the old tweetstorm-shitstorm gag. Again. And again.

Governance requires compromise, not domination. Tromp doesn't compromise and can't dominate (without imposing martial law). Tromp can't govern.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But he won't. He doesn't live or work to accomplish miracles. He's a divider, not a uniter; an exploiter, not a doer; a taker, not a giver. If he had a cure for world poverty, he'd find a way to bankrupt it, default on it, get a bailout, and take a tax loss. That's his schtick.

No POTUS would. The point is that even if they did, if it's the other team that does it it's horrible evil world ending bad juju. Good things are only good when *your* team is doing them. Everything those OTHER people do is pure evil at all times, and everything my party does is pure gold.......that's the partisan dipshit mindset that afflicts most M'aricanz.

What's funny is you think it's his schtick......it's just bidnizz as usual.

Tromp repeatedly labeled Dums and honest media as The Enemy.

The Dums are the enemy.

And if you think anything anywhere near the MSM is honest, so are you.

Do you expect your enemy to roll over and lick your stinky toes? And Tromp has repeatedly shown what a shit he is. Do you wish to kiss a turd? Most Dums don't. Gups seem to have no problem there. What does that make them?

He is a shit, what else is new?

And neither party has a problem kissing on and churching up their own turds, they've both been doing it for decades.

The fact that you don't think the Gups do it is not only funny but also quite sad.

 

[DMBFFF]

That's been the gold standard of US Presidential leadership for like 40 years....

I mostly agree, but Trump's ratcheted it up a few notches.

Actually, more than ratcheted in some of his speeches where he says only he can do stuff: talking like a dictator.

It will only backfire on the uber partisans and folks looking to turn their political "careers" into permanent racketeering operations.

One doesn't have to be in elected office to be a racketeer. Hillary was Secretary of State, and Papa Bush likely counseled the boys on a few things, like his own daddy likely did.

Only if the voters allow it and keep electing the same shitheads, like I said.

......

I think McConnell and Pelosi would keep getting sent back forever....years after they are dead, if their name was on the ticket they would just keep winning.

Maybe I should put it this way:

With an informed and concerned public, such a law is unnecessary.
Without an informed and concerned public, such a law is unlikely to help.



Btw, where would Bernie Sanders fit in this? He's an ideologue, an apprachik maybe, but is he a racketeer?

But he won't. He doesn't live or work to accomplish miracles. He's a divider, not a uniter; an exploiter, not a doer; a taker, not a giver. If he had a cure for world poverty, he'd find a way to bankrupt it, default on it, get a bailout, and take a tax loss. That's his schtick.

......

I mostly agree.

Btw, it's only when I got here that I read "Tromp."

I wonder what other terms they will come up with.

I thought of Ku KUCKS Klan—or call them octoroons.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I mostly agree, but Trump's ratcheted it up a few notches.

Actually, more than ratcheted in some of his speeches where he says only he can do stuff: talking like a dictator.

After the Obama regime I just don't see it.

Just more of the same ol' shit except (D)'s have extra sand in their butts about it this time.

Maybe I should put it this way:

With an informed and concerned public, such a law is unnecessary.
Without an informed and concerned public, such a law is unlikely to help.

True, and unlikely to happen because why would the congressional cartel do anything to hurt it's own gravy train?

Btw, where would Bernie Sanders fit in this? He's an ideologue, an apprachik maybe, but is he a racketeer?

He's so full of shit he doesn't even buy into his own ideology.

Has he made fuck tons of money off his seat of power?

Yes...Sanders is a piece of shit just like the rest, not to mention a wholly un-American degenerate socialist.

 

[John Blackhawk]

they need to stop running anti-gun candidates.

Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Ohio all have a huge amount of law-abiding gun-owning folks who do not want to see their rights infringed. These are the battleground states. Now, it might not make as much of a difference in the mid-terms, but people don't just re-set and forget what a political party has done every election. Actions have consequences, and continuously running anti-2nd Amendment candidates is at least a mitigating factor in why we have Trump now.

Democrats need to run candidates with a history of actually doing actionable good for the people, rather than stuff from 30-40 years ago, before they "got into" politics.

Pelosi needs to go, as do a lot of the old guard who are completely out of touch with the average american.

Love it or hate it, populism has a broad appeal, whether it's leftist or right-wing populism.

I actually kind of agree with most of this, though whether or not it's going to happen i figure i have better chances of pulling a diamond out of my @$$

 

[DMBFFF]

After the Obama regime I just don't see it.

I've been looking for the right YouTube video where I heard a part of that Trump's speech that made me lose even more respect for him; but so far, I could only come up with this. Fortunately it's short.

Trump says no more crime and I alone can fix it
1:18
"Nobody knows the system better than me."

I don't think any other candidate (at least Democrat or Republican) said that (in a speech at least) in the past 40 years—likely more.



(After I post this, I'm going to listen to this.
Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - Ears (Full Album)
38:43
weird electronic music)

 

[BotanyBoy]

I've been looking for the right YouTube video where I heard a part of that Trump's speech that made me lose even more respect for him; but so far, I could only come up with this. Fortunately it's short.

Trump says no more crime and I alone can fix it
1:18
"Nobody knows the system better than me."

I don't think any other candidate (at least Democrat or Republican) said that (in a speech at least) in the past 40 years—likely more.



(After I post this, I'm going to listen to this.
Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - Ears (Full Album)
38:43
weird electronic music)

No their arrogance is far more tactful and in many ways far more deceitful. But it's still there.....that father talking to children kinda demeanor, the simpleton talk and pretending to be a commoner. Bush and Obama both had serious "I'm big daddY!!" complexes. Clinton got up and told people she knows what it's like!! Wearing an outfit that cost more than most the people she was talking to would make all year long.

I'm sure if you kept digging it wouldn't be hard to produce a pile of the shit for each POTUS going back quite a ways. They are polished and refined, groomed for the schmooze and lip service.

Cool, I like electronica....especially Synth Wave, we have better 80's music today than the 80's did.

 

[Rightguide]

Most Americans see labor unions favorably

Maybe in the government. Most American do not look upon Unions favorably. If they did, why would private sector union membership be down to 7% from a high of 23% of the private labor force?

 

[richard_daily]

Yet the chart above that shows the opposite.

55% want more strict.

34% want same.

10% want less strict.

So in the first graphic we have a majority wanting more strict gun control laws.

Clear as mud.

And I wouldn't discount the NRA lobby. What they spend is... insane.

And the very next chart below if the one I'm talking about, and it shows just the opposite. You can also see another chart showing that people don't want handguns or "assault rifles" banned by a large majority, yet that's what the Democratic "leadership" is pushing for anyways. It's political suicide, and they've done it many times in the past, to failing results.

If something keeps failing, and you keep trying the same failing plans, the failure is on you.

The Democrats are going to continue to lose in part due to this issue, and how they alienate the majority of the population around it.

 

[richard_daily]

I actually kind of agree with most of this, though whether or not it's going to happen i figure i have better chances of pulling a diamond out of my @$$

If constituents demand that Democrat politicians stop playing politics with gun rights, you'll see a change.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If constituents demand that Democrat politicians stop playing politics with gun rights, you'll see a change.

That's an awfully huge IF.

Most American citizens continue to vote for the same people that fuck them over term after term after term for near entire adult lifetimes in more than a couple cases.

 

[richard_daily]

That's an awfully huge IF.

Most American citizens continue to vote for the same people that fuck them over term after term after term for near entire adult lifetimes in more than a couple cases.

That's true. Nowhere has that been more apparent in modern times than working class folks who voted for Donald J Trump.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's true. Nowhere has that been more apparent in modern times than working class folks who voted for Donald J Trump.

He's been a (D) congressional office holder for decades?


LOL.....it's your thread/topic man, if you'd rather get some of your irrational hatred of Trump out then rock on but I'm not buying it any more than when folks did the same shit over every other POTUS that was Hitler, Stalin, Benito etc....

Besides, considering how the (D)'s have been treating the working class can you really blame them??

 

[richard_daily]

He's been a (D) congressional office holder for decades?


LOL.....it's your thread/topic man, if you'd rather get some of your irrational hatred of Trump out then rock on but I'm not buying it any more than when folks did the same shit over every other POTUS that was Hitler, Stalin, Benito etc....

Besides, considering how the (D)'s have been treating the working class can you really blame them??

That's the point of this thread.

The Democrats need to stop disenfranchising their own base. Taking a firm stand against gun rights, alienates Union members, black folks, and the 1/3 of the population that own and enjoy guns.

If the Democrats want to carve out 1/3 of the population and write them off every election, more power to them, but it's certainly not a path to victory.

The problem, is that the Democrats are viewing gun owners as a monolithic voting block, which they aren't. The Republicans make the same mistake with PoC, the LGBTQ community, and other groups.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's the point of this thread.

The Democrats need to stop disenfranchising their own base. Taking a firm stand against gun rights, alienates Union members, black folks, and the 1/3 of the population that own and enjoy guns.

If the Democrats want to carve out 1/3 of the population and write them off every election, more power to them, but it's certainly not a path to victory.

The problem, is that the Democrats are viewing gun owners as a monolithic voting block, which they aren't. The Republicans make the same mistake with PoC, the LGBTQ community, and other groups.

Not just gun owners, but gender/racial blocks as well, the (D)'s are the absolute worst about that.

(D)'s need to quit with the hardcore identity politics.

So far they have alienated:

Gun owners.

The working class.

White people that don't hate themselves for being born white.

Men that aren't trans (SJW's are now even firing shots at males of color and gay guys. )

Anyone who's religious and not Muslim.

Any citizens with even the slightest shred of patriotism.

Liberals

Libertarians

Centrist

Free speech advocates of any flavor.

Veterans and I'm sure some others as well.

Pretty soon the DNC is going to consist of a half dozen pansexual transgender Muslims and some rich white people who support them and their struggle for demographic supremacy.

Identity politics within the union is not only divisive but totally counterproductive even to the stated goals of the folks who engage in identity politics in the name of social vengeance....I mean social justice.

Our government desperately needs to cut that shit out, especially the social vengeance crowd on the left.

 

[richard_daily]

Not just gun owners, but gender/racial blocks as well, the (D)'s are the absolute worst about that.

(D)'s need to quit with the hardcore identity politics.

So far they have alienated:

Gun owners.

The working class.

White people that don't hate themselves for being born white.

Men that aren't trans (SJW's are now even firing shots at males of color and gay guys. )

Anyone who's religious and not Muslim.

Any citizens with even the slightest shred of patriotism.

Liberals

Libertarians

Centrist

Free speech advocates of any flavor.

Veterans and I'm sure some others as well.

Pretty soon the DNC is going to consist of a half dozen pansexual transgender Muslims and some rich white people who support them and their struggle for demographic supremacy.

Identity politics within the union is not only divisive but totally counterproductive and is not constructive way shape or form. Our government desperately needs to cut that shit out, especially the social vengeance crowd on the left.

In this post, you're sounding a lot like the other poster with the initials of BB, and that's not someone I'd suggest emulating.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In this post, you're sounding a lot like the other poster with the initials of BB, and that's not someone I'd suggest emulating.

How?

Do you see me wailing about dropping racial slurs and C-bombs everywhere?

Or just pointing out that the social vengeance crowd on the left needs to cut that shit out before they alienate themselves out of any meaningful existence?

Like it or not, deny it or not....gun owners aren't the only demographics (D)'s have been alienating as hard and fast as they possibly can for the past couple years.

You couldn't even get white women, Obama voters, to vote for a white girl over "Grab em' by the pussy!" it's so bad. And the social vengeance warriors don't even get it....is it their behavior? No not at all it's because white people are racist, sexist, xenophobic Nazi scum.

So they double down on "Fuck white people!!" some more expecting that to win.

LOL!! Fuckin' brilliant.... good luck with that.

 

[Hypoxia]

The Democrats need to stop disenfranchising their own base. Taking a firm stand against gun rights, alienates Union members, black folks, and the 1/3 of the population that own and enjoy guns.

If the Democrats want to carve out 1/3 of the population and write them off every election, more power to them, but it's certainly not a path to victory.

Dums have a big problem: Gups own gun issues. After every mass murder, Gups twist Dums' call for controls as a threat of confiscation, and folks do love them firearms. Dums call for controls because MASSIVE public nausea at the slaughter. But the outcries die away with time.

Amerikkka loves them eyeball-grabbing mass murders, has for a long time. Psychopathic celebrities are the most entertaining, and Amerikkka lives for its entertainments. Sports teams with balls. Dancing with stars. Procedurals on TV, explosions in cinema, fireworks onstage. And onscreen tickers showing the latest death count from the latest rampage. Nearly as much fun as hurricanes!

So the Dums' dilemma: Most USAnians hate gun slaughters but a plurality want to do nothing about them. Who should Dums appeal to? If they go full-on for controls, they lose. If they go full-on for "gun rights", open carry, no limits, then they're just like the Gups and there's no reason to vote Dum. What a pickle.

A different distractive issue is needed, something popular the Dums can own. I don't know what that would be and I'm not a (D) so it's not my assignment.

 

[DMBFFF]

Cool, I like electronica....especially Synth Wave, we have better 80's music today than the 80's did.

I'll check out this "synth wave."

The music is certainly more accessible these days, save for a few songs; but a lot of the videos appear degraded.

But yeah.


I got to this Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith when checking out this Suzanne Ciani I also haven't heard of until recently.

Ciani on Letterman Show
8:45
Published on Jul 9, 2009
Here's my nine minutes of late-night (I meant early-morning) fame on the David Letterman Show when originally broadcasted on NBC. It was produced on August 14, 1980.
It get's good at 6:16.


Then there's this:
Studio Science: Suzanne Ciani on the Buchla
50:00
Donald Buchla was working on the buchla around when Moog was happening.
As it's long, it's best as background.
gets good around 29:55



As for Hillary Clinton, I suppose like a lot of guys, I'm not really into women's clothes, as my pics indicate, so I didn't notice.



Another blatant plug for a threads I've create on Literotica:
It is a place where women rule.
and
CMNF club
in Story Ideas

I've been working on drafts. Below is likely from my latest version.

In the CMNF story a lady name Hillary does a cameo:

Lucy drove. Hillary sat in the front passenger seat. She was the oldest by far: “I’m a sexy-genarian” she occasionally joked. She was also somewhat relaxed and the most comfortable. She had shoulder-length blond hair with a bit of a flip which poured over her shoulders a bit—longer than it’s been for a couple decades; and her accent was a mix of Southern and mid-Atlantic. She occasionally told Lucy to relax in her driving: that she was doing fine.

About 15 minutes from the CMNF Club, Hillary opened a small case and pulled out a flask of Jack Daniels, and poured a shot into a small flute: the first of two. While she could put back hard liquor with the rest of the guys—often surprising some men, she sipped most of the first shot, and then all of the second, of the distilled liquor smoothly.

“The Club generally frowns on anything harder than 25 proof or a bottle of wine per person per table per three hours.”

Lucy eyed her worriedly.

“Don’t worry hon, I had some legal training. If the police stop us, I’ll tell them you had no knowledge.”

Hillary wasn’t a lush, but she felt a cushioning was appropriate.

“Wanna shot?”

“No thanks.”

“Good for you, girl. We need more women to be sober.”

She then put the case away.


“You look like one of my husband’s girlfriends he had years ago. I used to get jealous of him, but actually, it relieves me of a lot of pressure. That man is so oversexed: I’m surprised he hasn’t gone to the Club, much less join it.”

and

They saw Hillary. She had dropped out of the Inner Corridor to the Lobby briefly, but returned somewhat for to sponsor Teddy.

Teddy, Lucy, and Bristol were a little bit shocked seeing her out of her pantsuit and naked. She always seemed a little plump: but it now seems that it was her clothes that somewhat added to her mass—as reasonable as that was even then. For a woman in her late 60s she was not only quite healthy looking, but also quite relatively easy on the eyes.

Though it was somewhat daring for a woman of her regal bearing, she was adorned with pearls: a long string of them. It was loosely wrapped around her neck several times, from a slightly loose loop around her neck, to increasingly looser loops, to a far looser loop, part of which hung about 20 cm (about 7 7/8 inches) below between her breasts. Two pearl earrings made for a nice ensemble. Also between her breasts was another necklace with the Stars-and-Stripes pendant.

She wore a two cm-wide belt with mother of pearl studs with a little gold-plated buckle. Her light-coloured public hair was dyed somewhat pinkish—matching some of the belt—as well as the string of her anklet-of-sorts on her left ankle with several pearls dangling. She also wore a sun visor that said “Fleetwood Mac.”

As attention-grapping as such might be, it was her nudity that caused Teddy’s eyes to widen and body to shake a little.

“Ah…. Gee, Missus C. You look beautiful.”

“Why thank you, Teddy. And you’re looking handsome yourself today.”

A naked woman was complimenting him on his physical appearance: he blushed.

“JJR, Have you seen Condi, Margaret, or Nancy yet.”

“Sorry Missus C,…but Missus Pelosi and Missus Gingrich assured me she’ll be here today.”

“Oh well, I’ll hang around the azalea garden then: only a matter of time, I suppose.” Then looking at the women, particularly Lucy and Bristol: “Oh look at you girls. You’re as cute as buttons. What pretty breasts, what perky nipples! Don’t let my husband see you or he’ll be promising you all cabinet positions!” she laughed.

Lucy and Bristol gave a nervous “heh heh.”

(Hillary Clinton tag: 3 stories; Hillary tag: 10 stories; and Clinton tag: 4 stories.)




I'm also doing an parody of pro-Trump alt-right YouTube celebrity-of-sorts Lauren Southern. Currently she's tied up and being diddled by the club president, though no penile penetration as per some contract she, he, and a few lower-tiered Trump associates made.



Also, one of the characters in the story is at least provisionally named Mitt Romney.

Physically Mitt Romney was tall and lanky—over 195 cm (over 6' 5") and under 77.5 kg (under 170 lbs). Mitt Romney’s skin was milky white, save for the freckles; though they too were somewhat light. They were also numerous—the top 5% of freckled people in freckling if one will.

As Mitt Romney wore a T-shirt, his forearms were exposed with veins that could almost be seen from 10 paces away. Mitt Romney’s arms were disproportionately long by about 15-to-20 cm, giving Mitt Romney a somewhat simian appearance. They were also quite sinuous with weightlifting and activities that exercised the hands. His biceps weren’t terribly bulgingly large, but his upper forearms were, if anything, bigger and more muscular. Mitt Romney’s fingers were long: strong yet nimble—and artistic. Give him a sheet of paper, say a page of a legal document turned over, and an HB pencil, and in 10 minutes he could draw Falling Waters from memory so good you could probably sell it for $100 even in a “red state.”

Mitt Romney’s hair was neither blond nor red, but the exact color of ripe orange. It was long and curly. Sometimes it made quite an afro; other times it was cornrows, still other times a combination.

Mitt Romney’s eyes are piercing blue, almost gray: which is why he wore glasses—custom-made 1970s styled yellow-tinted. His eyesight is good, but he needed greater-than-normal protection against UV rays when outside in the daylight or even at times indoors under non-incandescent lighting. Mitt Romney’s eyes are large and wide apart as to make him look a bit like an alien, though somewhat extending his field of vision. Some have claimed to have seen them move independently, but when asked for confirmations, he’d often smirk and huff in mild humour.

Mitt Romney looked like he was in his mid-20s, but he spoke with the authority of one three times his age. He was concise with his words, often speaking low and deep, relaxed and calm.

Mitt Romney apparently needed suspenders to keep his pants up. Mitt Romney’s erect penis was out, and while its size wasn’t monstrous, it was definitely large: almost Ron Jeremy large. It was uncut, venous, and so white as to be pink, but indeed long and thick. Mitt Romney’s scrotum was even more disproportionately sized.

Mitt Romney saw Teddy, but they couldn’t talk as Mitt Romney was busy, occupied as he stood in front of four kneeling women who were performing fellatio on him. Three were in collars, two of them with leashes, and one of them with hands tied in back, though they all tended to have hands behind backs or on their laps.

Mitt Romney was fucking their mouths as much as they were licking and sucking his erection. Mitt Romney often got rough, pulling hair and shoving his very erect penis in their mouths and throats; when one gagged and cough, he’d drab another head and mouth-fucked her.

Still they were moaning and “mmmm”-ing in apparent pleasure. Some even commented. The women also kissed each other, below Mitt Romney’s penis, above Mitt Romney’s penis, and each of two kissing a side of Mitt Romney’s penis.

 

[richard_daily]

How?

Do you see me wailing about dropping racial slurs and C-bombs everywhere?

Or just pointing out that the social vengeance crowd on the left needs to cut that shit out before they alienate themselves out of any meaningful existence?

Like it or not, deny it or not....gun owners aren't the only demographics (D)'s have been alienating as hard and fast as they possibly can for the past couple years.

You couldn't even get white women, Obama voters, to vote for a white girl over "Grab em' by the pussy!" it's so bad. And the social vengeance warriors don't even get it....is it their behavior? No not at all it's because white people are racist, sexist, xenophobic Nazi scum.

So they double down on "Fuck white people!!" some more expecting that to win.

LOL!! Fuckin' brilliant.... good luck with that.

No, I haven't. But your rhetoric is painfully close to his. I don't mean to imply that you're saying racist shit, because you don't. I won't accuse you of that, but that post sounds unhinged. I'm not saying that to piss you off, but it's the truth.

 

[richard_daily]

Dums have a big problem: Gups own gun issues. After every mass murder, Gups twist Dums' call for controls as a threat of confiscation, and folks do love them firearms. Dums call for controls because MASSIVE public nausea at the slaughter. But the outcries die away with time.

Amerikkka loves them eyeball-grabbing mass murders, has for a long time. Psychopathic celebrities are the most entertaining, and Amerikkka lives for its entertainments. Sports teams with balls. Dancing with stars. Procedurals on TV, explosions in cinema, fireworks onstage. And onscreen tickers showing the latest death count from the latest rampage. Nearly as much fun as hurricanes!

So the Dums' dilemma: Most USAnians hate gun slaughters but a plurality want to do nothing about them. Who should Dums appeal to? If they go full-on for controls, they lose. If they go full-on for "gun rights", open carry, no limits, then they're just like the Gups and there's no reason to vote Dum. What a pickle.

A different distractive issue is needed, something popular the Dums can own. I don't know what that would be and I'm not a (D) so it's not my assignment.

This is pretty much spot on. America wants a show. Mass murders are a great show.

We also want "the biggest and bestest", and our pursuit of that will bury all sorts of truths in the process.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I won't accuse you of that, but that post sounds unhinged. I'm not saying that to piss you off, but it's the truth.

What is so unhinged about it?

Do you really think gun owners are the only demographic (D)'s are doing their best to alienate?

Or is there one of those groups of people you don't think the (D)'s are not alienating?

 

[richard_daily]

What is so unhinged about it?

Do you really think gun owners are the only demographic (D)'s are doing their best to alienate?

Or is there one of those groups of people you don't think the (D)'s are not alienating?

You have a false impression of everyone on the left. You've proven it with your posts.

 

[richard_daily]

Want registration? Ask a DREAMer what they think about it now.

Some advocacy groups who work with immigrant populations had reservations about the program, though, and warned that by alerting the government to their presence in the US, DREAMers were opening themselves up to easy identification and deportation should the political winds change and a sufficiently immigration-hostile administration take power. But such mass deportation was considered unlikely, and maybe even a little crazy… up until it wasn’t.

Regardless of where gun-rights supporters stand on the issue of illegal immigration and DACA, they should get a sympathetic chill down their spines when contemplating what registration with the feds is costing the DREAMers. What is happening to this population is an analog of what gun owners fear will naturally result from a national gun registry.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/10/09/gun-owners-fear-registration-ask-dreamer/