Hard Times For the Pros

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Depending on your take on this , you could either poduce a comedy built around some of those "customer incentives" ("Buy anal and get a free blow job") or you could produce a drama about a desperate madam and her girls trying to surivive or a laid off single mom trying to make ends meet.

And, yes, the title of this thread IS a play on words.



Economic Crisis Hits German Sex Industry

By ERIK KIRSCHBAUM, Reuters


Berlin (April 22) - It did not take long for the world financial crisis to affect the world's oldest profession in Germany.

In one of the few countries where prostitution is legal, and unusually transparent, the industry has responded with an economic stimulus package of its own: modern marketing tools, rebates and gimmicks to boost falling demand.

Somme brothels have cut prices or added free promotions while others have introduced all-inclusive flat-rate fees. Free shuttle buses, discounts for seniors and taxi drivers, as well as "day passes" are among marketing strategies designed to keep business going.
"Times are tough for us too," said Karin Ahrens, who manages the "Yes, Sir" brothel in Hanover. She told Reuters revenue had dropped by 30 percent at her establishment while turnover had fallen by as much as 50 percent at other clubs.

We're definitely feeling the crisis. Clients are being tight with their money. They're afraid. You can't charge for the extras any more and there is pressure to cut prices. Everyone wants a deal. Special promotions are essential these days."
Germany has about 400,000 professional prostitutes. Official figures do not distinguish between the sexes and the number of male prostitutes is not known, but they account for a small fraction of the total and are treated the same under the law.
In 2002, new legislation allowed prostitutes to advertise and to enter into formal labor contracts. It opened the way for them to obtain health insurance, previously refused if they listed their true profession.

Annual revenues are about 14 billion euros ($18 billion), according to an estimate by the Verdi services union. Taxes on prostitution are an important source of income for some cities.

Prostitution is also legal and regulated in the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Greece, Turkey and in some parts of Australia, and the U.S. state of Nevada.
In other countries, such as Luxembourg, Latvia, Denmark, Belgium and Finland, it is legal but brothels and pimping are not.

'Creative Solutions'

Berlin’s "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate" -- a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. "You've got to come up with creative solutions these days," said club manager Stefan, who requested his surname not be published. "We're feeling the economic crisis, too, even though business has fortunately been more or less okay for us so far.

"Our offer might sound like it's too good to be true, but it's real. You can eat as much as you want, drink as much as you want and have as much sex as you want."
Stefan, who runs other establishments in Heidelberg and Wuppertal besides the Berlin club, said the flat rate had helped keep the 30 women working in each location fully employed.

Other novel ideas used by brothels and prostitutes include loyalty cards, group sex parties and rebates for golf players. Hamburg's "GeizHaus" is especially proud of its discount 38.50 euro price. The city has Germany's most famous red-light district, the Reeperbahn, in the notorious St. Pauli district.

Anke Christiansen, manager of the "GeizHaus," said the effects of the economic crisis were clear. "The regular customers who used to come by two or three times a week are only coming by once or twice a week now."

A "GeizHaus" client, who gave his name as Pascal, said: "Naturally we're all feeling the effects of the crisis." He added that he could no longer afford his usual two or three visits a week.

Guenter Krull, manager of the "FKK Villa" in Hanover, concurred. "The girls are complaining, too, because business is bad and I worry that it's all going to get even worse.

Contingency Plans

Ecki Krumeich, manager of upmarket Artemis Club in Berlin, said he resisted pressure to cut prices, although senior citizens and taxi drivers get a 50-percent discount on the 80-euro admission fee on Sundays and Mondays.

"Naturally, we're keeping an eye on the overall economic situation and making contingency plans," said Krumeich, who said his "wellness club" is one of the largest in Europe with about 70 prostitutes.

"Our philosophy is: we provide an important service and even in a recession there are some things people won't do without. Other downmarket places might cut prices but we decided we won't do that. In fact, we raised prices by 10 euros in January."

Stephanie Klee, a prostitute in Berlin and former leader of the German association of sex workers, said even if a few luxury brothels were weathering the storm because of their wealthy regular clientele, many were struggling.

"Just about everyone's turning to advertising in one form or another," she said. "If the consumer electronics shop and the optician come out with rebates and special promotions, why shouldn't we try the same thing?"

While she and her colleagues might have had five or six clients per day a year ago that had fallen to one or even none.

Klee worries, however, that the crisis has led to "price dumping" in some cities -- fees have fallen as low as 30 euros in some parts of Berlin and elsewhere, she said.
"You'll find a lot of customers trying to negotiate prices down now," said Klee. "A 30-year-old came up to me and said 'I lost my job so will you give me a discount?'."
She and others said they were alarmed that amateur prostitutes -- mostly women with low-paid careers -- were increasingly turning to prostitution to make ends meet.
"More and more women are moonlighting on the weekends," said Ahrens. "They're not able to get by with their main job and are in pretty dire straights. For some it works out okay but it's tough for some others and they often don't stay very long.

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Very interesting article. But a fair different than what I've heard here in the US. I've seen two different news stories saying that the sex industry is still doing well, sometimes even better. There's another thread here suggesting story ideas whereby a woman goes into the sex trade to help pay the bills.

A local news piece recently discussed the strip clubs across the river where total nudity is legal. People still like to go somewhere and forget about their troubles and it seems that quite a few men are going across the river. And, the manager mentioned an increase in women applying for employment.

There was another piece on the national news with similar themes.

Jenny
 
"Buy anal and get a free blow job" - I'm still grinning at this one :D
 
Very interesting article. But a fair different than what I've heard here in the US. I've seen two different news stories saying that the sex industry is still doing well, sometimes even better. ...

A local news piece recently discussed the strip clubs across the river where total nudity is legal. People still like to go somewhere and forget about their troubles and it seems that quite a few men are going across the river. And, the manager mentioned an increase in women applying for employment. ...

Jenny - doesn't the increase in applications for jobs mean more competition for the johns' money? Unless the increase in trade matches that, then the competition becomes more intense and times get harder for the workers, and prices drop to beat the competition.

Even worse, for the workers, the part-timers probably charge less anyway. They certainly do in Dublin.
 
Snoopy you gotta pay better attention, unless things have changed alot strippers get paid like waitresses, crap except for tips. So it's really hard to compete for john's money in a strip joint, there is one dancing and a few wandering around giving lapdances to the ones not crowding the stage.

More workers there only means the gals have to come in to work less often and can get another job elsewhere if they need. ;)
 
Snoopy you gotta pay better attention, unless things have changed alot strippers get paid like waitresses, crap except for tips. So it's really hard to compete for john's money in a strip joint, there is one dancing and a few wandering around giving lapdances to the ones not crowding the stage. ...
What did I say that contradicts this? It matters not at all whether the income is wages or tips, more workers means less income.

... More workers there only means the gals have to come in to work less often and can get another job elsewhere if they need. ;)
So the girls can get what "jobs elsewhere"? Filling shelves in supermarkets?

In any case I didn't mean lap dancers in particular, by "workers" I meant prostitutes.
 
Ah well in that case they would get a job as an escort, you don't paid diddly squat to give out 'favors' in the VIP room, you have to share it with the house. Escorts on the other hand can and probably do get quite a bit more money just showing up at the johns house or letting him into hers. More strippers means have to be there less and can see more customers as an escort, which pays better. ;)
 
I'm sorry to hear anyone is out of work. On a side not though I think prostitution should be legal in the United States. You can keep better tabs on sexual health issues and you can make it more difficult for human traffickers. If everyone needs a license and house needs a permit you can inspect any time. I hope things get better for all soon....
 
Ah well in that case they would get a job as an escort, ... More strippers means have to be there less and can see more customers as an escort, which pays better. ;)
... and more escorts (or more available time per escort) means less money for them, either by lower prices or fewer johns each.

There is even a name for this effect - it is called the Law of Supply and Demand.
 
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Jenny - doesn't the increase in applications for jobs mean more competition for the johns' money? Unless the increase in trade matches that, then the competition becomes more intense and times get harder for the workers, and prices drop to beat the competition.

Even worse, for the workers, the part-timers probably charge less anyway. They certainly do in Dublin.

Snoopy,
Please re-read the second paragraph of the part you had quoted.
There has been a noticable increase in demand.
And yes, there has been an equal increase in supply.
So a no-longer-working married mom can still make a few bucks by working at the strip joint.
Jenny
 
... and more escorts (or more available time per escort) means less money for them, either by lower prices or fewer johns each.

There is even a name for this effect - it is called the Law of Supply and Demand.

Now your being silly, unless an escort has an expensive apartment that she is not doing business out of, she only needs a couple johns a week to have enough. Well unless she is a 100 an hour escort, though they seem to be the ones who show up strip down and ask where he wants to fuck her first. Unless the ads are misleading. :eek:

The ones who dance and strip, those are always a few hundred at least when I was bored and looked at the ads for them, you don't need more than like 3 a week to afford a nice apartment. ;)
 
Now your being silly, unless an escort has an expensive apartment that she is not doing business out of, she only needs a couple johns a week to have enough. Well unless she is a 100 an hour escort, though they seem to be the ones who show up strip down and ask where he wants to fuck her first. Unless the ads are misleading. :eek:

The ones who dance and strip, those are always a few hundred at least when I was bored and looked at the ads for them, you don't need more than like 3 a week to afford a nice apartment. ;)
Don't forget she will almost certainly have two apartments, one to live in and one to work in. She has expensive clothes (if she wants to earn top dollar) to escort the rich john at dinner. She probably pays someone to clean and do laundry etc (twice - to keep the two homes separate). Finally she probably also has a drug habit.
 
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