Credentials

[anonamouse]

Isnt this curious

your first submission you submit
you go and take it out because of two guys arguing on a thread you fell into on your first day. You don't know them but you decide to hop in the middle. I say, WHO are you? A Man insulted a woman <above> I replied and you decide not to submit. I assure you this thread does not weigh on your poetry! Something smells about this.


I see you were told about a post removal problem in the poetry forum in two threads before you came over to the credential thread, relish in the pic threads and....have poems already posted for observation in the poetry forum several times already and just now decide not to submit? after just being told their were removals going on here? I am sorry but this does not seem right.

paranoia
now Arthur, didn't ninja nookie do the same thing, shouldn't you be ashamed of yourself for putting her in the line of fire.

Tell you what I'll do - I'll apologise to her AFTER a formal apology from you to:
TaraBlackwood (rudeness, and refusal to listen, after she told you her credentials)
annaswirls and Lauren Hynde - accusation of contest rigging
bogusbrig - for accusing him of being me
AuntyMuse - she has as much right to speak as you do.
there may be a few others - that you reverted to your nasty side, when they pointed out the errors of your writing. (ah Zen)
AND most of all to the ghost of YDD

it is as easy as that, it is as easy as that

BTW you can thank me also for the last 100 I left, on something that was tighly written or would you rather run around squawking, because someone got tired of your antics.

 

[annaswirls]

Leviluv really you can make this place what you want it. Just come in, post poetry, flirt or not, have fun, learn. Don't not share because of this.

Or I will come give you my own personal tickle torture which is not pretty. I have been known to make grown men pee themselves.

and I am sorry if that just made you want to leave even more.

You ever see the baseball move where the runner is stuck between 1st and 2nd base and they play pickle or whatever? You just got in the middle, really there is nothing you need to worry about here...


1201 is trying to corner Met with logic and pointing out consistencies. He is relentless. If you get between a man holding a stick and a snake, you might get whacked or bitten not that this is necessarily a bad thing, I personally like the biting part, but....


really


dont go

we want you here


now dont make me come up there
I have been up since freakin 5am and am a bit delerious

I had quoted the poem one minute after you posted and was making a comment, then changed my mind. I came back again (the lurker, I am) to see that you deleted it. I really cannot believe you would take any time out of your life to insult another poet in poetic form. From what I've read on other threads and here, you're Mister Nice Guy. I know a person can be pushed to certain limits, but are we not adults? This is the internet. It sounds like you two are fighting worse than a husband and wife who have communication problems. As another poster said, put each other on ignore.

But even with the poem deleted, I still see this elementary thread, and read another that's similar, which makes me feel cautious about sharing my work. If I ever do, I wouldn't accept any comments. I know in my heart that I'm a poet, and that's all that matters. I COULD share, but it looks like it could be brought to the poetry forum in a negative way. I started voting today, and to think this is what I could've gotten in return.

 

[annaswirls]

nope
not the backslapping etc, that is just annoying

the ranting that makes no sense
the false accusations
the continual bumping of threads that have nothing to do with poetry just one line love you babe look at my pussy god dont you just want to smack this fine ass kind of posts, which is fine as an appetizer or desert but bump after bump of it good god wtf it is not meant to be the main course around here

you know

and that is what loses the BASE of people here, and without a steady, intelligent, talented base there is no reason for people who are wanting to be poets to stay

When I came here, I remember telling my husband-- there are REAL POETS there! And they have fun too!

THAT is what made me stay, and if someone who was established here with their multiple threads and illusionary authority said to me in one way or another
oh you poor baby let me nurse your wounds made by those mean mean people, well maybe I would have taken the victim stance too and eventually went crying to my mother.... or stayed here and focused on my pussy (or maybe just a model's pussy) instead of my poetry too. That is the culture that is being established.

You dissolve that BASE, the base of poets who know what the hell they are doing, then the whole structure falls down.


I think everyone has a right to be here. I did not like the Special Olympics comment. Sorry Jim, I am sensitive about that one however it was meant.


The issue here is that people who MAKE SENSE are run down with faulty logic, false accusations, whining, etc. And new people who come in see that the whining the whimpering, the backslapping kiss ass continual muah let me hump your leg are the STANDARD not the side dish, then who with any desire to improve would want to stay?

I stayed because of the talent here. The rest is icing.


Stop letting the icing rule the fucking cake.

tess

I can only say that over the past year and a half
what has ruined this forum or run poets off the most
has been harsh critisim <facts>
and when anything is said about it
it is said, they were "thin skinned!"
I think we had five this year
that survived the gaunlet of badgering critics.


you can not say it was because a
'back slapping' red neck writes zen poetry

 

[quasar]

The issue here is that people who MAKE SENSE are run down with faulty logic, false accusations, whining, etc. And new people who come in see that the whining the whimpering, the backslapping kiss ass continual muah let me hump your leg are the STANDARD not the side dish, then who with any desire to improve would want to stay?

This statement only holds true to those who think of themselves as the Logical ones. I have seen nothing more than kindness shed and a welcoming hand by Mr. Tale and those with a need to cast their knowledge around in slanderous criticism as well as a few constructive remarks placed between arrogant smirks. That does not make this thread the prime place to be for improvement. I, as many, come here for enjoyment. Not to be ridiculed and have my poems picked apart but those whom I do not know rather they have valid points or not. Or have several individuals say various different statements that conflict. Then they argue the point.

I for one seldom submit my poems here anymore because people here feel a need to slander a poem rather than encourage me, as MET has.

Thank You

 

[PatCarrington]

I, as many, come here for enjoyment.
Thank You

if that's why you're here, that's great. you can do that if you wish. it's not hard. just stick to the backslapping kiss ass continual muah let me hump your leg threads, as you have.

anna's point is that this is a poetry website, and there are people here, unlike yourself, who are looking to improve their writing. the way they do that is to expose it for constructive criticism.

there ARE real poets here. and if you ever feel that improvement becomes more important to you than enjoyment, then you can go about the task of figuring out who they are.

 

[bluerains]

I for one seldom submit my poems here anymore because people here feel a need to slander a poem rather than encourage me, as MET has.

Thank You[/QUOTE]


ty Q...
MET...has been an awesome inspiring person for newbies and shy souls who want to find the fortitude to post ..he always gives everyone positive feedback..as do I..if I don't like the way a poem reads to me..or I don't understand the meaning because I might in my strange perception see several meanings ..then I just pass it by and move on...I don't wish even if I was a good critic to tear apart an idea...a poet may want left just the way he played it...a minds journal is a healing method of release in poetry its the exhale of emotive energy...if one gives a critical view ...it should be in honest and
germane...not as a heathen harboring venom against the poet...and to 1201...I have found him to give honest opinion from his perception...careful not to malign to integrity of the poet him/herself...all of you have great gifts...share them in harmony...not in banter...tis a waste of energy...blue

 

[Jennifer C]

nope
not the backslapping etc, that is just annoying

the ranting that makes no sense
the false accusations
the continual bumping of threads that have nothing to do with poetry just one line love you babe look at my pussy god dont you just want to smack this fine ass kind of posts, which is fine as an appetizer or desert but bump after bump of it good god wtf it is not meant to be the main course around here

you know

and that is what loses the BASE of people here, and without a steady, intelligent, talented base there is no reason for people who are wanting to be poets to stay

When I came here, I remember telling my husband-- there are REAL POETS there! And they have fun too!

THAT is what made me stay, and if someone who was established here with their multiple threads and illusionary authority said to me in one way or another
oh you poor baby let me nurse your wounds made by those mean mean people, well maybe I would have taken the victim stance too and eventually went crying to my mother.... or stayed here and focused on my pussy (or maybe just a model's pussy) instead of my poetry too. That is the culture that is being established.

You dissolve that BASE, the base of poets who know what the hell they are doing, then the whole structure falls down.


I think everyone has a right to be here. I did not like the Special Olympics comment. Sorry Jim, I am sensitive about that one however it was meant.


The issue here is that people who MAKE SENSE are run down with faulty logic, false accusations, whining, etc. And new people who come in see that the whining the whimpering, the backslapping kiss ass continual muah let me hump your leg are the STANDARD not the side dish, then who with any desire to improve would want to stay?

I stayed because of the talent here. The rest is icing.


Stop letting the icing rule the fucking cake.

I just know i'm gonna regret this but what the fuck here goes ~

Saying ' I really enjoyed your poem' or 'Love ya babe' isn't bumpimg threads intentionally, it's replying to another post or expressing an opinion. (which last time I checked was still allowed.) There are so many threads on here that does it really matter which one is at the top? All you have to do is scroll down and find the one you want, the order of threads change all the time, you can't continually keep your favourites at the top.

This forum is serious for many people here, it is just fun for many here and for the rest it is a mixture of the two. This forum can be both at the same time, the fact that it's set around a porn site tells you that it isn't a place for just 'good' poetry or 'serious' poetry it is for ALL poetry good and bad. What i'm trying to say is you can't stomp out the less experienced poets who like to have a conversation and a laugh now and again.

Now this is going to go against me but i'm going to say it anyway, I don't mean any disrespect to anyone and I have no problems with any of the poets here but it seems the older more established poets can get away with alot more than the newer less respected poets.

It seems they can flirt, chat, hijack threads and thats fine but when others do it there posts are deleted. There shouldn't be two sets of rules. Why can't we all just have the same freedom?

I've talked to alot of new poets who come here and the main reason I get from them as to why they don't come back isn't the harsh critisism but the utter lack of respect we have for one another. We are all adults here yet can't seem to get through a discussion without insults and name calling, it's the constant bitching and moaning thats dragging this forum down and putting people off returning. People should feel able to express thier opinion without the fear of being attacked in reply.

We are all different, we all have our own set of beliefs and preferences so we are not all going to share the same opinion but we should be able to express them maturely and honestly without all hell braking loose on the boards. It's often not the friendly conversation that bumps threads to the top but all the posts whinging about it.

anna this post is not directed at you but to everyone who uses this forum, I just quoted you as a base for what I wanted to say.

I wish no one any disrespect just wanted to say what I thought.

peace to you all

 

[WickedEve]

This statement only holds true to those who think of themselves as the Logical ones. I have seen nothing more than kindness shed and a welcoming hand by Mr. Tale and those with a need to cast their knowledge around in slanderous criticism as well as a few constructive remarks placed between arrogant smirks. That does not make this thread the prime place to be for improvement. I, as many, come here for enjoyment. Not to be ridiculed and have my poems picked apart but those whom I do not know rather they have valid points or not. Or have several individuals say various different statements that conflict. Then they argue the point.

I for one seldom submit my poems here anymore because people here feel a need to slander a poem rather than encourage me, as MET has.

Thank You

It's wonderful to find friendly people who welcome you, but they may not always be the ones who know enough about poetry to teach you anything of much value. They can praise, though. They can always praise. But a poet will never improve with just that.
There are some poets here who fight so hard against learning. I don't even think they realize it. And there are others here pulling their hair out, trying to talk some sense into these people--when they should just let it go before they end up fuming beneath a truly, ill fitting rug.
I wish we could all just get along (and that's taken about as seriously as I've fallen and I can't get up) but that's not going to happen. If it did, then this place wouldn't be real.
And Q. if you don't want your poetry picked apart, then lock it away. Once it's presented to the public, then you have no way to control what a reader says. With praise comes the pickers. You don't get one or the other.

 

[quasar]

if that's why you're here, that's great. you can do that if you wish. it's not hard. just stick to the backslapping kiss ass continual muah let me hump your leg threads, as you have.

anna's point is that this is a poetry website, and there are people here, unlike yourself, who are looking to improve their writing. the way they do that is to expose it for constructive criticism.

there ARE real poets here. and if you ever feel that improvement becomes more important to you than enjoyment, then you can go about the task of figuring out who they are.

Yes Sir,

I believe you believe your thoughts. But I don't see MET as a poetry killer. Just the opposite. When I come here I was jumped on by those wishing to stroke their egos and show me "my poetry holds no water here, "I believe that's what her claim was.

MET, was encouraging and has never claimed to be a teacher of poetry but instead enjoys writing along with us,, side by side, not above anyone. The constructive critism comes from all who can share a point that may repair a poem, regardless of credentials. The Poets that claim they are here to be serious can be and are. It is a big enough world for us all I hope, or else some of us need to get off.

also, thank you blue

quasar

 

[bluerains]

oooh...am so

It's wonderful to find friendly people who welcome you, but they may not always be the ones who know enough about poetry to teach you anything of much value. They can praise, though. They can always praise. But a poet will never improve with just that.
There are some poets here who fight so hard against learning. I don't even think they realize it. And there are others here pulling their hair out, trying to talk some sense into these people--when they should just let it go before they end up fuming beneath a truly, ill fitting rug.
I wish we could all just get along (and that's taken about as seriously as I've fallen and I can't get up) but that's not going to happen. If it did, then this place wouldn't be real.
And Q. if you don't want your poetry picked apart, then lock it away. Once it's presented to the public, then you have no way to control what a reader says. With praise comes the pickers. You don't get one or the other.

I should have added that too..about the teaching part...U R right..I have learned alot on this site...and have much more to learn...the light shines on lit...and it goes two ways...and we all teach each other in a myriad of ways ...and you have always been
on the pulse of poetry...stay tuned...blue

 

[WickedEve]

I just no i'm gonna regret this but what the fuck here goes ~

Saying ' I really enjoyed your poem' or 'Love ya babe' isn't bumpimg threads intentionally, it's replying to another post or expressing an opinion. (which last time I checked was still allowed.) There are so many threads on here that does it really matter which one is at the top? All you have to do is scroll down and find the one you want, the order of threads change all the time, you can't continually keep your favourites at the top.

This forum is serious for many people here, it is just fun for many here and for the rest it is a mixture of the two. This forum can be both at the same time, the fact that it's set around a porn site tells you that it isn't a place for just 'good' poetry or 'serious' poetry it is for ALL poetry good and bad. What i'm trying to say is you can't stomp out the less experienced poets who like to have a conversation and a laugh now and again.

Now this is going to go against me but i'm going to say it anyway, I don't mean any disrespect to anyone and I have no problems with any of the poets here but it seems the older more established poets can get away with alot more than the newer less respected poets.

It seems they can flirt, chat, hijack threads and thats fine but when others do it there posts are deleted. There shouldn't be two sets of rules. Why can't we all just have the same freedom?

I've talked to alot of new poets who come here and the main reason I get from them as to why they don't come back isn't the harsh critisism but the utter lack of respect we have for one another. We are all adults here yet can't seem to get through a discussion without insults and name calling, it's the constant bitching and moaning thats dragging this forum down and putting people off returning. People should feel able to express thier opinion without the fear of being attacked in reply.

We are all different, we all have our own set of beliefs and preferences so we are not all going to share the same opinion but we should be able to express them maturely and honestly without all hell braking loose on the boards. It's often not the friendly conversation that bumps threads to the top but all the posts whinging about it.

anna this post is not directed at you but to everyone who uses this forum, I just quoted you as a base for what I wanted to say.

I wish no one any disrespect just wanted to say what I thought.

peace to you all

I know when you're a newer poet on the board that it may seem as though you are treated unfairly. No one here is all about poetry and nothing else. We all chat. I believe most of the posters who have been here for awhile know when to stop and get back to poetry--though, not always. As one of the mods here, I have moved posts by newbies and... um... oldies. You may not realize that because you are focusing on posts by you and your friends, perhaps.
I don't think there is a big problem with thread bumping. We are a fairly slow moving forum. If and when there is a problem/potential problem, then we'll deal with. I may talk with you about it and you can always tell me I'm wrong. I just hope you'll always keep in mind that this is a poetry forum. I don't care if we're on a porn site or not. This forum is poetry. Play a little and write poetry a lot.

 

[Jennifer C]

I know when you're a newer poet on the board that it may seem as though you are treated unfairly. No one here is all about poetry and nothing else. We all chat. I believe most of the posters who have been here for awhile know when to stop and get back to poetry--though, not always. As one of the mods here, I have moved posts by newbies and... um... oldies. You may not realize that because you are focusing on posts by you and your friends, perhaps.
I don't think there is a big problem with thread bumping. We are a fairly slow moving forum. If and when there is a problem/potential problem, then we'll deal with. I may talk with you about it and you can always tell me I'm wrong. I just hope you'll always keep in mind that this is a poetry forum. I don't care if we're on a porn site or not. This forum is poetry. Play a little and write poetry a lot.

Eve I have nothing but respect for you but I have had non poetry posts removed while another non poetry post beofre mine by an um older poster was left. This is not the main point that I wanted to make so i'm not going to dwell on it, I just wish we could all be treated equally and fairly and with respect for one another.

 

[Ninja Nookie]

Isn't that all that matters? Art wrote a poem and you loved it--a poet connecting with one reader. Don't worry about the rest. There will always be disagreements on a public board. And poets will continue to fight, because we are an ornery lot.

I know I am going to be in a lot of trouble for coming back here. My ass is still sore from being chewed on last night But I wanted to say, I agree and thank you. As for fights, well, Art is a tiger in a chicken coop most of the time and almost always has a mouth full of feathers.

now maybe some body will remove this post before HE sees it.

thank you

Nin

 

[PatCarrington]

It is a big enough world for us all I hope,

quasar

that was my point, exactly.

and anna's point, which i think you might have missed, was simply that poetry should take precedence on a poetry website, not dominate it completely. there is room for play, but for play to take the front seat is not acceptable.

also, slander and constructive criticism are not the same animal. they are not even cousins.

 

[annaswirls]

This statement only holds true to those who think of themselves as the Logical ones. I have seen nothing more than kindness shed and a welcoming hand by Mr. Tale and those with a need to cast their knowledge around in slanderous criticism as well as a few constructive remarks placed between arrogant smirks. That does not make this thread the prime place to be for improvement. I, as many, come here for enjoyment. Not to be ridiculed and have my poems picked apart but those whom I do not know rather they have valid points or not. Or have several individuals say various different statements that conflict. Then they argue the point.

I for one seldom submit my poems here anymore because people here feel a need to slander a poem rather than encourage me, as MET has.

Thank You

I have seen nothing more than kindness shed and a welcoming hand by Mr. Tale

then you see what you choose to see. No one is always kind and welcoming. I am not always kind and welcoming. I am not going to pull up examples of why your statement is false.


It is not ego that drives people to critique poetry.

It is not slander to critique a poem in a public forum.

Come here. Play. Have fun. Enjoy the happiness and praise. You are RIGHT there is room for everyone. But don't whimper and whine and cry foul when someone gives their opinion about your poetry.

 

[annaswirls]

I just know i'm gonna regret this but what the fuck here goes ~

Saying ' I really enjoyed your poem' or 'Love ya babe' isn't bumpimg threads intentionally, it's replying to another post or expressing an opinion. (which last time I checked was still allowed.) There are so many threads on here that does it really matter which one is at the top? All you have to do is scroll down and find the one you want, the order of threads change all the time, you can't continually keep your favourites at the top.

This forum is serious for many people here, it is just fun for many here and for the rest it is a mixture of the two. This forum can be both at the same time, the fact that it's set around a porn site tells you that it isn't a place for just 'good' poetry or 'serious' poetry it is for ALL poetry good and bad. What i'm trying to say is you can't stomp out the less experienced poets who like to have a conversation and a laugh now and again.

Now this is going to go against me but i'm going to say it anyway, I don't mean any disrespect to anyone and I have no problems with any of the poets here but it seems the older more established poets can get away with alot more than the newer less respected poets.

It seems they can flirt, chat, hijack threads and thats fine but when others do it there posts are deleted. There shouldn't be two sets of rules. Why can't we all just have the same freedom?

I've talked to alot of new poets who come here and the main reason I get from them as to why they don't come back isn't the harsh critisism but the utter lack of respect we have for one another. We are all adults here yet can't seem to get through a discussion without insults and name calling, it's the constant bitching and moaning thats dragging this forum down and putting people off returning. People should feel able to express thier opinion without the fear of being attacked in reply.

We are all different, we all have our own set of beliefs and preferences so we are not all going to share the same opinion but we should be able to express them maturely and honestly without all hell braking loose on the boards. It's often not the friendly conversation that bumps threads to the top but all the posts whinging about it.

anna this post is not directed at you but to everyone who uses this forum, I just quoted you as a base for what I wanted to say.

I wish no one any disrespect just wanted to say what I thought.

peace to you all

as you said too: not directed at you

Come here. Play. Have fun. Enjoy the happiness and praise. You are RIGHT there is room for everyone. But don't whimper and whine and cry foul when someone gives their opinion about someone's poetry.


As I said, don't let the icing rule the cake that is all. Nothing wrong with an I love ya babe etc, but it often seems to be the focus. Tis all

 

[annaswirls]

MET, was encouraging and has never claimed to be a teacher of poetry but instead enjoys writing along with us,, side by side, not above anyone. The constructive critism comes from all who can share a point that may repair a poem, regardless of credentials.
quasar

psst dude he was the one who brought up credentials

 

[PatCarrington]

psst dude he was the one who brought up credentials

hi, you.

got the m.e. e-mail.

i'll answer...busy, busy.

 

[WickedEve]

I should have added that too..about the teaching part...U R right..I have learned alot on this site...and have much more to learn...the light shines on lit...and it goes two ways...and we all teach each other in a myriad of ways ...and you have always been
on the pulse of poetry...stay tuned...blue

I've been here for four years, and I can tell you that you really can learn here. At least, I have. Since I recently "left" and now that I spend more time reading posts than replying to them, it's given me an opportunity to learn more--even be more objective about what's going on.

 

[Jennifer C]

as you said too: not directed at you

Come here. Play. Have fun. Enjoy the happiness and praise. You are RIGHT there is room for everyone. But don't whimper and whine and cry foul when someone gives their opinion about someone's poetry.


As I said, don't let the icing rule the cake that is all. Nothing wrong with an I love ya babe etc, but it often seems to be the focus. Tis all

I do agree with you anna, poetry often goes over looked because of a conversation, that is very frustrating.

We can't all have the same opinions but we can respect each others.

 

[annaswirls]

Play a little and write poetry a lot.

and how about this (speaking to myself as well)

debate a little and write poetry a lot too

I think that maybe part of the problem here is that many of the "older" poets, the ones that do the critiquing that gives others issue do not have their poetry here anymore, do not post their poetry as often in the New Poems, etc. so it gives the appearance that they/we come down from our tower and slay the little guys who are trying to climb. I am sure it looks that way sometimes.

I know there are reasons, and no one should criticize a person who chooses to not publish their poetry at Literotica. I speak for myself in this statement as well. It is part of what Quasar said, MET writes side by side, etc. which is true. He writes an incredible number of poems, which is admirable...and many of us are not showing our poems in the New Poetry.

However, our poems are out there in the other threads. AND the older poets are toughest on each other when it comes to critique. I just have not seen any really evil critiques on new or older poets here. I mean, okay I have gotten some like YOU CALL THIS POETRY??? when I first got here. Which stung, but looking back, there is a spark of truth to it, which is why it stung.

 

[annaswirls]

hi, you.

got the m.e. e-mail.

i'll answer...busy, busy.

k-- I am going to send it out tonight, so if you want changes make them



ps this conversation is completely inappropriate for a public forum and should be done pm


and I am not kidding

someone please spank us now

 

[Jennifer C]

k-- I am going to send it out tonight, so if you want changes make them



ps this conversation is completely inappropriate for a public forum and should be done pm


and I am not kidding

someone please spank us now

consider yourself spanked!

 

[WickedEve]

so it gives the appearance that they/we come down from our tower and slay the little guys who are trying to climb.

That sounds vicious and gruesome and oddly it appeals to me.

I'm a nice person. I'm a nice person. I'm a nice person...

 

[LeBroz]

I do agree with you anna, poetry often goes over looked because of a conversation, that is very frustrating.

We can't all have the same opinions but we can respect each others.

A momentary lull in this brouhaha ~ seems civility has become a casualty of war. And here I was looking to see what latest poetic gems were posted - still in the works and quite raw. And thread after thread with everyone speaking of subjects other than their poetry ~ oh well, there's still the sensual metaphors thread. But there I'm feeling like a kid out of place - not yet ready to play there with much elegance or grace.