Can a POTUS be impeached for things he did before he was POTUS?

[SyKoKo]

Can you say HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to someone who ISNT a MOTHER?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Bloomberg suck balls. It's a propagandist rag and everyone knows it.

Lie.

Politifact is quoting Jerry Brown who cannot admit that his governorship of California is a huge failure without admitting HE is also a failure.

Of course PolitiFact is quoting Brown, to rate his statement "Mostly True."

The La Times saying that California is leading the nation is job creation and GDP while not admitting up front that the State is STILL in a net loss for workers and jobs.

The whole nation is, so what? What matters is that California is doing better than states that take the Kansas approach.

 

[HisArpy]

Lie.



Of course PolitiFact is quoting Brown, to rate his statement "Mostly True."



The whole nation is, so what? What matters is that California is doing better than states that take the Kansas approach.

Bloomberg is a rag and has almost no useful economic information that isn't skewed toward their POV. I have yet to read anything from them which is based on actual FACTS.

Lol, again. Brown statement is "mostly true". I wonder what the "not so true" parts are? Maybe it's the part about how good the State is doing?

So, California is the land of the working poor and that's a good thing because Kansas is worse? C'mon, you can do better than that. California USED TO BE the 4th largest economy in the world. It's now at #7 (maybe #8). There is no fucking way that's "better" than it was under Republican leadership.

Facts matter. My cites disprove EVERYTHING yours do. Mostly because my cites span years and are consistent in what they show, while yours are the current spin trying to deflect from the reality that the economy SUCKS and it's all the Dem's and socialists fault that they couldn't fix it with higher taxes and more social programs.

OPINION doesn't trump facts. Your cites are opinion. Mine are facts.

 

[adrina]

Lie.



Of course PolitiFact is quoting Brown, to rate his statement "Mostly True."



The whole nation is, so what? What matters is that California is doing better than states that take the Kansas approach.

Granted, two of his articles are recent... the one about net loss in jobs is from 2006. Just a note.

But it doesn't really matter. He'll believe what he wants to believe. They always do.

 

[HisArpy]

Granted, two of his articles are recent... the one about net loss in jobs is from 2006. Just a note.

But it doesn't really matter. He'll believe what he wants to believe. They always do.

Again, if history shows a net job loss AND current sources also show a running and continuing net job loss, what are we to suspect? That things are rosy?

This isn't faith, it's facts.

 

[adrina]

Again, if history shows a net job loss AND current sources also show a running and continuing net job loss, what are we to suspect? That things are rosy?

This isn't faith, it's facts.

Yawn. An 11 year old article depicting the housing slow down not too far before the down turn but that's supposed to show a trend?

Try harder.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Bloomberg is a rag and has almost no useful economic information that isn't skewed toward their POV. I have yet to read anything from them which is based on actual FACTS.

More lies. This is Bloomberg.

Lol, again. Brown statement is "mostly true". I wonder what the "not so true" parts are? Maybe it's the part about how good the State is doing?

It says:

Our research

We concede there’s no definition for what "a hell of a lot faster" growth looks like. Still, we’ll do our best to sort out the governor’s claim.

Brown’s spokeswoman pointed us to several news articles detailing California’s recent economic improvements.

Looking solely at 2015 job growth rates, Brown’s claim appears to hold up.

In that year, California added 483,000 jobs, posting a jobs growth rate of 3 percent, based on data we crunched from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That pace was twice as fast as Texas’ 1.5 percent job growth rate.

California’s rapid employment gains have slowed somewhat to about 2 percent this year through November. That may not qualify as "a hell of a lot faster," but it’s still greater than Texas’ roughly 1.6 percent job growth rate so far this year.

The business website Kiplinger.com forecast California would rank 10th in the nation among states for fastest job growth in 2016. It noted that Texas was not on its Top 10 list.

It wasn’t long ago, however, that Texas outpaced California.

In 2014, Texas recorded a 3.7 percent job growth rate, ahead of California’s 2.9 percent pace.

Looking to the future, California’s job gains may slow. The closely watched UCLA Anderson Forecast predicts jobs to grow by only 1.5 percent in the state during 2017 and just 0.8 percent in 2018.

Because Brown used the phrase "is growing," we’ll judge him on the most recent figures, not future forecasts.

Overall economy

While the pace of job growth is important, it’s not the only measurement of a state’s economic health. And Brown’s claim could be interpreted as California’s overall economy, not just jobs, is growing much faster than the economy in Texas.

In August, PolitiFact Texas took a deep look at the economies of both California and Texas to evaluate a June claim by Julián Castro, the U.S. secretary of Housing and Urban Development, that "Today, California is kicking our butt, creating more jobs and more economic growth than Texas."

It rated the claim True, citing greater jobs, per capita income and GDP growth rates in California. It noted Texas had a lower jobless rate.

Building on that fact check, we looked at the most recent economic figures for both states to see if the assessment still holds.

We found that California’s GDP grew faster than Texas’ in the first two quarters of this year, at rates of 2 percent and most recently 2.2 percent compared with Texas’ 1.3 percent and its most recent quarter, a negative 0.8 percent, according to a news release in December by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

It was a different story in 2015 when Texas’ GDP expanded by 4.8 percent (a figure that was recently revised upward) compared with California’s 3.8 percent GDP expansion.

Comparing unemployment rates, Texas, at 4.6 percent in November, has consistently fared better than California, where the rate was 5.3 percent in November, and has hovered well above 5 percent this year.

California had one more economic bright spot in 2015: Per capita personal income grew at twice the rate as in Texas, 5.4 percent to 2.6 percent, according to federal data.

Our ruling

Gov. Jerry Brown recently claimed "California is growing a hell of a lot faster than Texas."

We took this to mean economic growth with a focus on the pace of job creation. California’s 3 percent job growth rate in 2015, which doubled Texas’ pace, definitely fits into Brown's colorful claim.

But California’s rate has slowed to about 2 percent so far this year, closer to Texas’ 1.6 job growth rate.

Other economic metrics show California faring better than Texas in several, though not all, categories: California’s GDP expanded faster than Texas’ GDP in the first two quarters of this year, though Texas had a faster GDP growth rate in 2015. Also, per capita income grew twice as fast in California as Texas in 2015, also backing Brown’s statement.

Texas, however, has consistently held a lower jobless rate than California in recent years.

Brown, like the state’s economy in recent years, is on the right track. And while California has expanded jobs and its economy faster than Texas in many cases, there are a few cases where that growth has been strong but not necessarily "a hell of a lot faster."

We rate Brown’s statement Mostly True.

 

[Wrong Element]

So, California is the land of the working poor and that's a good thing because Kansas is worse? C'mon, you can do better than that. California USED TO BE the 4th largest economy in the world. It's now at #7 (maybe #8). There is no fucking way that's "better" than it was under Republican leadership.

California has had "Republican leadership" in 35 of the last 50 years.

 

[water505]

More lies. This is Bloomberg.



It says:

I thought you were only supposed to copy and paste short passages from articles.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I thought you were only supposed to copy and paste short passages from articles.

I don't think that applies to PolitiFact, or "copyleft" sources like Wikipedia and RationalWiki.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I thought you were only supposed to copy and paste short passages from articles.

That is the rule but the only time it is enforced is when it is reported to mods. Typically during political discussion it is used only by RW types attempting to shut down the flow of facts and truths.