Sean Renaud
The West Coast Pop
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Lets start with the fact that there really is no fair comparison between the two events especially not unless you believe some of the whackier conspiracy theories. 9/11 at least from the POV of the average American was unprovoked. I don't think anybody even a child in Israel thinks this was unprovoked. They are probably taught something similar to what we teach our kids about "we didn't start this fight but we're going to end it" combined with "nobody knows how this started" which is a half lie.
That said fuck yeah we created new terrorists. They probably won't be as big a deal because we didn't hem them in for the entire lives and practice shooting fish in barrels. We definitely did. My opinion on 9/11 at the time is utterly irrelevant and that question would be better asked of people who were both older and not in Marine Recruit Training Center San Diego at the fucking time. My memories of 9/11 go back before 9/11 to my recruiter telling me when you start training they are gonna tell you a story about how we're going to war, its just to motivate you. Don't freak out.
Do you know what an 18 year old who woke up 9/10 sending out aol emails to friends and family and getting in a final game of Starcraft, spent the night in a motel and 9/11 people are telling you planes attacked the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? Why not tell me Godzilla got lost on the way to Tokyo. Its equally believable.
Either way the opinion of an 18 year old in the middle of a violent indoctrination program on global politics is completely null. That kid was stupid as shit. In hindsight we definitely fucked up and more or less "ignoring" Al Qaeda most likely nets us the same results with a lower bill.
So the argument here hinges on the fact that a bunch of people, people who generally thought their lives were safe, made an emotional response twenty plus years ago couldn't have learned.
Israelis live with, well not this shit but basically the occasional rocket is just that, the occasional rocket. The body counts are always very, very low and then they get to have fun "defending themselves". Not to put too fine a point on how people who feel safe react to slights there are Americans, and I don't mean punks on Lit or even pundits on Fox. I mean people with active or former elected officials that think attacking Mexico because we can't figure out how to get our kids Oxy legally so they are seeking alternative sources. Course like in Israel if you stop trying to justify this as "oh they are doing 'x'" and accept that race/creed IS the reason it makes a lot more sense.
While they are almost attempting to be subtle some of these same officials have said things similar to "Finish it" "make a parking lot" sort of things. Yes, I'm aware of the vile things HAMAS has said. How much of that they honestly believe, who the fuck knows. At the end of the day there is a world of difference even the most vile gangster talking shit about overtaking the government, and said government threatening to level an inner city. Fuck this equivalence nonsense we've rehearsed.
Oh no they went after civilians. Did we all skip history class cus bombing the ever loving shit out of civilians is how you win wars. You don't discriminate like that, often times you cannot. Either way there is no impartial this far in.
It took a little while for the fever to break depending on the person but these boards were around for 9/11. Even when I started being active there were lots and lots of truthers, lots of us who knew the Global War on Terror was immoral on a good day especially in Iraq.
