Against Environmentalism and Why

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Going to be away from the computer for a few days, knew you would miss me, so I thought to leave this for you to chew on.

regards to all, amicus

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Against Environmentalism
By Michael S. Berliner, Ph.D.

There is a grave danger facing mankind. The danger is not from acid rain, global warming, smog, or the logging of rain forests, as environmentalists would have us believe. The danger to mankind is from environmentalism.

The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where "nature" is worshipped like the totem of some primitive religion.

If the good of man were the aim of environmentalists, they would embrace the industry and technology that have eradicated the diseases, plagues, pestilence, and famines that brought wholesale death and destruction prior to the Industrial Revolution. They would embrace free enterprise and technology as the only solution to the relatively minor dangers that now exist—minor compared to the risks of living in a non-technological world.

But by word and deed, they demonstrate their contempt for human life.
In a nation founded on the pioneer spirit, they have made "development" an evil word, attacking the man-made as an infringement on pristine nature. They inhibit or prohibit the development of Alaskan oil, offshore drilling, nuclear power—and every other practical form of energy. In the name of "preserving nature," they undermine our quality of life and make us dependent on madmen like Saddam Hussein. Housing, commerce, and jobs are sacrificed to spotted owls and snail darters. Medical research is sacrificed to the "rights" of mice. Logging is sacrificed to the "rights" of trees. No instance of the progress which brought man out of the cave is safe from the onslaught of those "protecting" the environment from man, whom they consider a rapist and despoiler by his very essence.

Nature, they insist, has "intrinsic value," to be revered for its own sake, irrespective of any benefit to man. As a consequence, man is to be prohibited from using nature for his own ends. Since nature supposedly has value and goodness in itself, any human action which changes the environment is necessarily branded as immoral. Environmentalists invoke this argument from intrinsic value not against lions that eat gazelles or beavers that fell trees; they invoke it only against man, only when man wants something. The environmentalists' concept of intrinsic value is nothing but the desire to destroy human values.

"The intrinsic theory," charges Ayn Rand, "divorces the concept of 'good' from beneficiaries, and the concept of 'value' from valuer and purpose—claiming that the good is good in, by, and of itself" (Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, p. 21). But, in fact, she observes, "The concept 'value' is not a primary; it presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what?" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 16)

Values exist in a hierarchy, some being pursued only because they are means to other, higher ends. This implies the existence of an ultimate end that grounds the hierarchy. "Without an ultimate goal or end, there can be no lesser goals or means. . . . It is only an ultimate goal, an end in itself, that makes the existence of values possible" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 17). Things qualify as good or evil, valuable or detrimental, only insofar as they serve or frustrate the ultimate value; and the ultimate value is one's life. "Man must choose his actions, values and goals by the standard of that which is proper to man—in order to achieve, maintain, fulfill and enjoy that ultimate value, that end in itself, which is his own life" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 27).

The ideal world of environmentalists is not 20th-century Western civilization; it is the Garden of Eden, a world with no human intervention in nature, a world without innovation or change, a world without effort, a world where survival is somehow guaranteed, a world where man has mystically merged with the "environment." Had the environmentalist mentality prevailed in the 18th and 19th centuries, we would have had no Industrial Revolution, a situation environmentalists would cheer—at least those few who might have managed to survive without the life-saving benefits of modern science and technology.

The expressed goal of environmentalism is to prevent man from changing his environment, from intruding on nature. That is why environmentalism is fundamentally anti-man. For, in reality, man as such is an "intrusion" on the status quo of nature. Only by intrusion can man avoid pestilence and famine. Only by intrusion can man project long-range goals and control his life. Intrusion improves the environment, i.e., man's surroundings. Man's life requires productive work, which, as Ayn Rand described it, is a process of "shaping matter to fit one's purpose, of translating an idea into physical form, of remaking the earth in the image of one's values" (Atlas Shrugged, p. 937).

In the environmentalists' paean to "Nature," man's nature is omitted. For the environmentalists, the "natural" world is a world without man. Man has no legitimate needs, but trees, ponds, and bacteria somehow do.

They don't mean it? Well, heed their words, for the consistent environmentalists openly announce their goals. Writes philosopher Paul Taylor:
Given the total, absolute, and final disappearance of Homo Sapiens, not only would the Earth's community of life continue to exist, but in all probability, its well-being would be enhanced. Our presence, in short, is not needed. And if we were to take the standpoint of that Life Community and give voice to its true interests, the ending of the human epoch on Earth would most likely be greeted with a hearty "Good riddance!" (Respect for Nature: A Theory of Environmental Ethics, p. 115)

In a glowing review of Bill McKibben's The End of Nature, biologist David Graber writes:

Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet....[The ecosystem has] intrinsic value, more value to me than another human body or a billion of them....Until such time as Homo Sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along. (Los Angeles Times, October 29, 1989, p. 9)


Such is the naked essence of environmentalism: it mourns the death of one whale or tree but actually welcomes the death of billions of people. A more malevolent, man-hating philosophy is unimaginable.

The guiding principle of environmentalism is self-sacrifice: the sacrifice of longer lives, healthier lives, more prosperous lives, more enjoyable lives, i.e., the sacrifice of human lives. But an individual is not born in servitude. He has a moral right to live his own life for his own sake. He has no duty to sacrifice it to the needs of others and certainly not to the "needs" of the non-human.

To save mankind from environmentalism, what's needed is not the appeasing, compromising approach of today's conservatives, who urge a "balance" between the needs of man and the "needs" of the environment. To save mankind requires the wholesale rejection of environmentalism as hatred of science, technology, progress, and human life. To save mankind requires a philosophy of reason and individualism, a philosophy which makes life on earth possible: Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism.
 
Ami, sweetie, that's got to be the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever seen you post, and you've put up some doozies in your time. That's nothing but a fallacy-laden rant that cites two obscure environmentalists (that I've never even heard of, or seen their names in print) to forward Rand's agenda.

Yeah, let's destroy the world, make it unliveable for the coming generations ... sure. Doesn't matter if our kids, grandkids or great-grandkids are only able to see what a forest looks like in pictures, or that the only whale they are ever able to see is one stuffed in a museum because we were so selfish we killed them all off. After all, we won't be here by then, so what difference does it make, right?

It's all about us, isn't it?
 
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I did not read ... yet but have a great time you, f'n bastard. We WILL miss you more than you know, indeed.
 
Other than leaving this little note, i'm not even going to dignify that with a comment....and I'm not all super-excited about saving the environment myself; but holy shit.
 
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

Okay... I'm not particularly fond of the 'environmentalist' movement, which I happen to think takes this to the fucking point of ridiculous sometimes.

But I couldn't get past the first two paragraphs of this thing.

Put the guy on a fucking pulpit already and have him yell about the fire and brimstone!

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
That was the funniest thing I've read in weeks. It's as if The Onion did a hyperbole parody of a Randist rant. But for real.

Thanks Ami, for the laugh. :)
 
Liar said:
That was the funniest thing I've read in weeks. It's as if The Onion did a hyperbole parody of a Randist rant. But for real.

Thanks Ami, for the laugh. :)

God Bless the Onion.

They did a story on the toy bin in the Goodwill store in my town once....they called it the sadest place on Earth.

The toy bin, not my town.
 
amicus said:
Going to be away from the computer for a few days, trying to track down the elusive blowjob, knew you would miss me, even though my posts usually resemble absolute trolldom, so I thought to leave this for you to chew on even though I really want CV to chew on me.

regards to all, amicus

Have fun, ami.

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There is indeed, a grave danger from environmentalists. It is a danger that sees things in terms of compromise rather in terms of the nature which they don't want to destroy. They are in a losing battle

The very essence of nature is such that things (animals, habitats, ways of life) are destroyed in order that other things may survive, such is evolution. Forest fires, landslides, ice ages, floods, all work together to ensure that some are destroyed and others survive.

There is an old (v.old: type it in yourself and watch what happens old) 'game' called 'evolution' or 'foxes and rabbits'.

Foxes increase, rabbits (as food) decrease. Not enough rabbits, the foxes die off until there are enough rabbits for the foxes to increase.

Sooner or later, society will be larger than it can sustain, and will decrease. These days it means economics. Sooner or later, those nations that feed other nations will not have that capacity. Starvation or war ensues

The world (or nature) doesn't actually care how it happens (thermonuclear holocaust, migration to other worlds, food shortage) just that it happens. Nature doesn't even know, if it dies it dies. The End. It is a process. It has succesful variables which enable it to continue, when one variable is greater than the rest then it ceases.

It really doesn't matter whether Amico's multinationals bring about that end or a meteor, the end will come when it comes.

The environmentalists are trying to delay the inevitable. Amico, Ayn Rand, 'the scientists' et al, see no further than their personal future.
 
Have you never seen the Sesame St. episode where they showed what would happen to the earth if everyone just dropped their garbage on the ground? Mountains of garbage form everywhere until there is no more room for the little boy singing his song.

Whether we dump, or spew, our garbage on the ground or in the air or in the water, we're fucking up our living space. I just returned from a visit to India, and trust me, you don't want to live in a place with minimal regard for the environment we inhabit.
 
Wow

This article was absolutely terrible. What does this guy have his PhD in?

Has he ever met a real enviornmentalist? Because he's just making stuff up. At best he's lumping everyone who is concerned about the enviornment in with the most extreme "back to nature" nutjob.
 
pathetic little piece

Ami quoted Michale Berliner: Nature, they[environmentalists] insist, has "intrinsic value," to be revered for its own sake, irrespective of any benefit to man. As a consequence, man is to be prohibited from using nature for his own ends. Since nature supposedly has value and goodness in itself, any human action which changes the environment is necessarily branded as immoral. Environmentalists invoke this argument from intrinsic value not against lions that eat gazelles or beavers that fell trees; they invoke it only against man, only when man wants something. The environmentalists' concept of intrinsic value is nothing but the desire to destroy human values.

"The intrinsic theory," charges Ayn Rand, "divorces the concept of 'good' from beneficiaries, and the concept of 'value' from valuer and purpose—claiming that the good is good in, by, and of itself" (Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, p. 21). But, in fact, she observes, "The concept 'value' is not a primary; it presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what?" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 16)

Values exist in a hierarchy, some being pursued only because they are means to other, higher ends. This implies the existence of an ultimate end that grounds the hierarchy. "Without an ultimate goal or end, there can be no lesser goals or means. . . . It is only an ultimate goal, an end in itself, that makes the existence of values possible" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 17). Things qualify as good or evil, valuable or detrimental, only insofar as they serve or frustrate the ultimate value; and the ultimate value is one's life. "Man must choose his actions, values and goals by the standard of that which is proper to man—in order to achieve, maintain, fulfill and enjoy that ultimate value, that end in itself, which is his own life" (The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 27).

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The piece is very far off target in its crucial claim, that unnamed environmentalists assign 'intrinsic value' to nature irrespective of any benefit to man.

While intrinsic value is assigned, some key components of the 'environmentalist' argument take nature as having instrumental value: it helps humans live.

For instance if lots of bird die off, then there are far more insects to plague us humans. As forests are eliminated, deserts come, which are very hard to cultivate. As the rainforest is eliminated, the effects of greenery on the atmosphere are reduced. Smog makes it hard for humans to breathe, and asthma cases are up. The pollution of freshwater sources like the great Lakes has obvious effects on mankind's drinking supply.

So regardless of the extreme 'man hating' sentiments of some environmentalists (which I agree with, on bad days-- animals don't set up death camps), they can argue entirely within Rand's framework of human values.

It's to be noted that amicus is at a fringe of Rand's groups, making arguments many of them find ridiculous. [clarification and correction: Berliner himself, prominent in the Ayn Rand Institute, is NOT on the fringe of that movement. Hence it's quite possible a number of Rand persons agree with Berliner.] Rand herself, afaik, supported a woman's right to choose.

Amicus brings a degree of protofascist and antedeluvian sentiments to the mix, and hence has problems with race equality, women in the workforce, etc. In fact, much of the clout of 'environmentalism'--including elements of the new energy bill-- are from capitalist sources: For instance, companies that fish the oceans do not want all the fish to die, etc. Even the 'forestry' (lumber) industry realizes that you have to plant, not just chop down trees and bulldoze forests. SEGMENTS of the capitalist market, e.g., Texas oil companies may have 'anti environment' agendas, since, in this case, the Alaska coastline doesn't make any difference to them.

PS. Gauche is quite right, in the larger sense. Humans are part of nature. So if they blow themselves up, and the cockroaches take over, nature is still 'on course.' As it would be if an asteroid hits earth and destroys all, instantly. In amicus terms, no 'life form' has any intrinsic value to 'nature.' Hence no life form, including humans can derive anything but instrumental values, *which are without objective basis in nature.*
 
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correction and bio

my posting above may be read as suggesting that ami's reproduced article represented a 'fringe' element in the Rand camp. while this may be true of ami, michael berliner is a prominent Rand advocate, former director of the Ayn Rand institute, and editor of her letters.

his bio there reads:

He holds a Ph.D. in philosophy and taught philosophy and philosophy of education for many years at California State University, Northridge, where he served as chairman of the Department of Social and Philosophical Foundations of Education.
 
Amicus bows in all directions.


Perhaps the verbiage was too sophisticated for you?


"There is a grave danger facing mankind. The danger is not from acid rain, global warming, smog, or the logging of rain forests, as environmentalists would have us believe. The danger to mankind is from environmentalism.

The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where "nature" is worshipped like the totem of some primitive religion.

If the good of man were the aim of environmentalists, they would embrace the industry and technology that have eradicated the diseases, plagues, pestilence, and famines that brought wholesale death and destruction prior to the Industrial Revolution. They would embrace free enterprise and technology as the only solution to the relatively minor dangers that now exist—minor compared to the risks of living in a non-technological world.

But by word and deed, they demonstrate their contempt for human life.
In a nation founded on the pioneer spirit, they have made "development" an evil word, attacking the man-made as an infringement on pristine nature. They inhibit or prohibit the development of Alaskan oil, offshore drilling, nuclear power—and every other practical form of energy. In the name of "preserving nature," they undermine our quality of life and make us dependent on madmen like Saddam Hussein. Housing, commerce, and jobs are sacrificed to spotted owls and snail darters. Medical research is sacrificed to the "rights" of mice. Logging is sacrificed to the "rights" of trees. No instance of the progress which brought man out of the cave is safe from the onslaught of those "protecting" the environment from man, whom they consider a rapist and despoiler by his very essence...."



Let me use more simple words.


Environmental activism has increased the price of building a new home by approxiately $30,000, pricing many out of the market just to save a goddamned owl. (anyone want owl fritters? I have 50 pounds left in my freezer.)

Environmental activism has stopped the construction of Nuclear Power plants for over 30 years. This activism necessitates the continuance of smog and carcinogen producing coal fired plants and as in the case of Caleefornia has caused a shortage of electricity and the suffering and death of many from the pollution. Nuclear power is totally non polluting.

Environmental activism has prohibited mining and drilling on millions of acres and off shore areas. This has kept the US dependent upon foreign sources of petroleum and raised prices to where many cannot afford to heat or cool their homes in comfort.

Environmental activists have locked away millions of acres of useable land in favor of 'protecting' a pristine wilderness that serves absolutely no person or purpose.

Environmental activists have attempted to control, restrict and regulate manufacturing and industry to such an extent as to have driven those businesses overseas, 'outsourcing' thanks to the evironmental controls, has changed society.

"Mitigation' in both urban and rural areas have even further driven up land values and increased the cost of building a home or a business.


You pussies don't have the courage to address the issues but as usual, attack the messenger.

Why don't you just admit the real core of the article I posted?

You hate yourselves and mankind in general to such an extent that your main purpose in life is to destroy a modern industrial society in favor of a mosquito ridden rain forest and swamp.

Your philosophy is not 'environmentalism' it is anti man, anti humanity, anti progress.

I have traveled most of this country and been amazed at the beauty of our major cities and vast industrial capacity of a free people.

I appreciate my computer, and all the electronic aids that make my life so much better than my parents and grandparents.

I walk in utter amazement at the variety of goods available in a shopping mall, at automobiles and aircraft and spacecraft that extend man's scope and knowledge.

I glory in the magnificence of man and his creations.

In addition to the spotted owl fritters in my freezer, I also have a good selection of baby harp seal steaks, humpback whale blubber delicacies, rare amazon lizards and snail darters from the midwest.

And thas just my freezer; I have many more canned delights of as many endangered species flora and fauna.

Bon Apetite!


A satiated Amicus...


(He's baaacck!)
 
I've just had an epiphany, of sorts....

You don't really believe all this crap you post, you just post it for the reaction you know you'll get.

Stir it up, baby!

(you know you want me, ami - admit it, you do it just to get my attention, don't you?)
 
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cloudy said:
I've just had an epiphany, of sorts....

You don't really believe all this crap you post, you just post it for the reaction you know you'll get.

Stir it up, baby!

(you know you want me, ami - admit it, you do it just to get my attention, don't you?)


Hey - that's MY line to ami, you cannibal, you!

(And no one even commented on my previous post with amicus quote??? I'm so disappointed!)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Hey - that's MY line to ami, you cannibal, you!

(And no one even commented on my previous post with amicus quote??? I'm so disappointed!)

Maybe he wants us both? ;)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
Of course.

But he couldn't handle us, baby.

:cathappy:

not a chance in hell. Busy, sweet thang? Shall we forget ami, and head to the furs? :catroar:
 
Don't fight over Amicus, ladies, he will find time to accomodate your every desire.

(just takes me a bit longer now)
 
amicus said:
You pussies don't have the courage to address the issues but as usual, attack the messenger.

Why don't you just admit the real core of the article I posted?
Because I couldn't understand what the hell it was trying to say.

Your post here said it much better.

It's still a load of bollocks and fallacies, but now it's comprehensible. Thanks, luv.

I'll answer when time permits. Maybe.
 
amicus said:
Don't fight over Amicus, ladies, he will find time to accomodate your every desire.

(just takes me a bit longer now)


Ami, I don't think you should flatter yourself.
 
amicus said:
Amicus bows in all directions.


Perhaps the verbiage was too sophisticated for you?


"There is a grave danger facing mankind. The danger is not from acid rain, global warming, smog, or the logging of rain forests, as environmentalists would have us believe. The danger to mankind is from environmentalism.

The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where "nature" is worshipped like the totem of some primitive religion.

If the good of man were the aim of environmentalists, they would embrace the industry and technology that have eradicated the diseases, plagues, pestilence, and famines that brought wholesale death and destruction prior to the Industrial Revolution. They would embrace free enterprise and technology as the only solution to the relatively minor dangers that now exist—minor compared to the risks of living in a non-technological world.

But by word and deed, they demonstrate their contempt for human life.
In a nation founded on the pioneer spirit, they have made "development" an evil word, attacking the man-made as an infringement on pristine nature. They inhibit or prohibit the development of Alaskan oil, offshore drilling, nuclear power—and every other practical form of energy. In the name of "preserving nature," they undermine our quality of life and make us dependent on madmen like Saddam Hussein. Housing, commerce, and jobs are sacrificed to spotted owls and snail darters. Medical research is sacrificed to the "rights" of mice. Logging is sacrificed to the "rights" of trees. No instance of the progress which brought man out of the cave is safe from the onslaught of those "protecting" the environment from man, whom they consider a rapist and despoiler by his very essence...."



Let me use more simple words.


Environmental activism has increased the price of building a new home by approxiately $30,000, pricing many out of the market just to save a goddamned owl. (anyone want owl fritters? I have 50 pounds left in my freezer.)

Environmental activism has stopped the construction of Nuclear Power plants for over 30 years. This activism necessitates the continuance of smog and carcinogen producing coal fired plants and as in the case of Caleefornia has caused a shortage of electricity and the suffering and death of many from the pollution. Nuclear power is totally non polluting.

Environmental activism has prohibited mining and drilling on millions of acres and off shore areas. This has kept the US dependent upon foreign sources of petroleum and raised prices to where many cannot afford to heat or cool their homes in comfort.

Environmental activists have locked away millions of acres of useable land in favor of 'protecting' a pristine wilderness that serves absolutely no person or purpose.

Environmental activists have attempted to control, restrict and regulate manufacturing and industry to such an extent as to have driven those businesses overseas, 'outsourcing' thanks to the evironmental controls, has changed society.

"Mitigation' in both urban and rural areas have even further driven up land values and increased the cost of building a home or a business.


You pussies don't have the courage to address the issues but as usual, attack the messenger.

Why don't you just admit the real core of the article I posted?

You hate yourselves and mankind in general to such an extent that your main purpose in life is to destroy a modern industrial society in favor of a mosquito ridden rain forest and swamp.

Your philosophy is not 'environmentalism' it is anti man, anti humanity, anti progress.

I have traveled most of this country and been amazed at the beauty of our major cities and vast industrial capacity of a free people.

I appreciate my computer, and all the electronic aids that make my life so much better than my parents and grandparents.

I walk in utter amazement at the variety of goods available in a shopping mall, at automobiles and aircraft and spacecraft that extend man's scope and knowledge.

I glory in the magnificence of man and his creations.

In addition to the spotted owl fritters in my freezer, I also have a good selection of baby harp seal steaks, humpback whale blubber delicacies, rare amazon lizards and snail darters from the midwest.

And thas just my freezer; I have many more canned delights of as many endangered species flora and fauna.

Bon Apetite!


A satiated Amicus...


(He's baaacck!)


evening Ami.

Just a note, Nuclear isn't totally non polluting, it produces toxic waste as a bi product.

That isn't to say I am against nuclear, in fact I am not. I think it's probably th ebest wy to go, all things considered. But the wasete material is a big drawback and unlike most ofrms of polution, it hangs around for ages.
 
But the point of a nuclear power station is the processed by-product. Which means elecricity generation is the actual by-product. (well, the steam from the radioactive coolant anyway)

Hmm, I quite enjoy being called illiterate by amico, means I must be doing something right.
 
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