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http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html



NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed....

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.
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This is huge, as fifty years of environmental extremism has cost billions, cost jobs and enticed an entire generation to worry needlessly about human generated carbon dioxide.

For all you bleeding hearts out there who have built a life around recycling, conserving energy, spending money on expensive alternatives, you are all dead wrong and you have harmed society in ways greater than you will ever admit.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has always been an environmental activists hoax and now there is absolute proof.

Put that in your pipe...

Amicus
 
amicus said:
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html





~~~

This is huge, as fifty years of environmental extremism has cost billions, cost jobs and enticed an entire generation to worry needlessly about human generated carbon dioxide.

For all you bleeding hearts out there who have built a life around recycling, conserving energy, spending money on expensive alternatives, you are all dead wrong and you have harmed society in ways greater than you will ever admit.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has always been an environmental activists hoax and now there is absolute proof.

Put that in your pipe...

Amicus
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Two flip flops in one post. I didn't think that was possible.
 
Interesting how the most important part of these "news" articles is always at the very end:

"James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News."
 
HAL_9000 said:
Interesting how the most important part of these "news" articles is always at the very end:

"James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment & Climate News."
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You people are unreal!
"...reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing."
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You beg for peer reviewed scientific data, NASA provides it and still you whimper. I already know your faith is unshakeable, absolute and unchangable, but then, I am not Posting to change the faith of the true believers, rather for those with an open mind.

Gonna buy more coal stock and chuckle all the way to the Bank.

Amicus
 
amicus said:
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You people are unreal!

You beg for peer reviewed scientific data, NASA provides it and still you whimper. I already know your faith is unshakeable, absolute and unchangable, but then, I am not Posting to change the faith of the true believers, rather for those with an open mind.

Gonna buy more coal stock and chuckle all the way to the Bank.

Amicus
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Only a true zealot would point to one red herring and claim it proves the entire ocean must be made of the blood of non-believers.
 
amicus said:
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html





~~~

This is huge, as fifty years of environmental extremism has cost billions, cost jobs and enticed an entire generation to worry needlessly about human generated carbon dioxide.

For all you bleeding hearts out there who have built a life around recycling, conserving energy, spending money on expensive alternatives, you are all dead wrong and you have harmed society in ways greater than you will ever admit.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has always been an environmental activists hoax and now there is absolute proof.

Put that in your pipe...

Amicus
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Amicus, thanks for posting this. Because once again you've exposed yourself as a non-thinking parrot with contempt for the scientific process.

That article is from the Heartland Foundation. This is the organization that took a boat load of funding from Philip Morris and then started churning out "research" about how 2nd hand cigarette smoke really isn't a problem.

Hmm, let's check their funding sources: "Oil and gas companies have contributed to the Heartland Institute, including over $600,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute)

They're an EXTREMELY political organization and make little effort to claim objectivity. And here you are taking their word as scientific fact. Never wonder why I hold you in such low regard okay? ;)
 
Also you should probably go read the research the author of this article is referring to. I'm 100% positive you didn't read it. You've proven that you lack the intellectual curiosity to do so. But you know, if you did read it you would see that it doesn't see what your author wants it to. Not at all.
 
I have never been convinced that human activity has caused this episode of global warming.

HOWEVER -
I am absolutely convinced that humans need to do something right now to lower their devastating impact on the planet.
We are seeing pollution levels on an unprecedented scale, with little or no effort on the part of big polluters to minimise the damage.
We are seeing waste, in all it's forms, becoming an unmanageable problem in a lot of areas, mainly due to the petrochemical (plastics) industry we rely so heavily on.
We are seeing health problems caused by the insidious seep of chemicals into the food chain, and into our bodies directly.
It is time for all countries to reassess their practices, and to STFU and actually do something.

I am one of the few Australians who is happy to see our government implement the Carbon Pollution Tax Scheme. In fact, I don't think it goes far enough to address the problems.
Luckily, I am also one of those who won't be too adversely financially affected by its implementation - my lifestyle is such that any cost deficits will be easily offset by my frugality.
 
mercury14 said:
Also you should probably go read the research the author of this article is referring to. I'm 100% positive you didn't read it. You've proven that you lack the intellectual curiosity to do so. But you know, if you did read it you would see that it doesn't see what your author wants it to. Not at all.
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"
Abstract: The sensitivity of the climate system to an imposed radiative imbalance remains
the largest source of uncertainty in projections of future anthropogenic climate change.
Here we present further evidence that this uncertainty from an observational perspective is
largely due to the masking of the radiative feedback signal by internal radiative forcing,
probably due to natural cloud variations. That these internal radiative forcings exist and
likely corrupt feedback diagnosis is demonstrated with lag regression analysis of satellite
and coupled climate model data, interpreted with a simple forcing-feedback model. While
the satellite-based metrics for the period 2000–2010 depart substantially in the direction of lower climate sensitivity from those similarly computed from coupled climate models, we
find that, with traditional methods, it is not possible to accurately quantify this discrepancy in terms of the feedbacks which determine climate sensitivity. It is concluded that atmospheric feedback diagnosis of the climate system remains an unsolved problem, due
primarily to the inability to distinguish between radiative forcing and radiative feedback in satellite radiative budget observations."

"Natural cloud variations"....HA
 
warrior queen said:
I have never been convinced that human activity has caused this episode of global warming.

HOWEVER -
I am absolutely convinced that humans need to do something right now to lower their devastating impact on the planet.
We are seeing pollution levels on an unprecedented scale, with little or no effort on the part of big polluters to minimise the damage.
We are seeing waste, in all it's forms, becoming an unmanageable problem in a lot of areas, mainly due to the petrochemical (plastics) industry we rely so heavily on.
We are seeing health problems caused by the insidious seep of chemicals into the food chain, and into our bodies directly.
It is time for all countries to reassess their practices, and to STFU and actually do something.

I am one of the few Australians who is happy to see our government implement the Carbon Pollution Tax Scheme. In fact, I don't think it goes far enough to address the problems.
Luckily, I am also one of those who won't be too adversely financially affected by its implementation - my lifestyle is such that any cost deficits will be easily offset by my frugality.
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Well... Amicus's Heartland Foundation takes the position that not only is global warming not related to mankind, it's not happening at all - but if it was happening it would be a good thing. :rolleyes:
 
mercury14 said:
Well... Amicus's Heartland Foundation takes the position that not only is global warming not related to mankind, it's not happening at all - but if it was happening it would be a good thing. :rolleyes:
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I know there is something happening to our climate.
I live on the land and I see my crops coming in at different times of the year, rainfall figures completely out of sync with past records, temperatures that no longer match the seasons, my water table going down, etc.
I'm just not convinced that human activity has been the greatest contributer (especially when you look at the loads of contradictory data, neither side which has ever quite stacked up IMO).
 
You have to give Taylor credit. Anyone who would use some variation of the phrase "alarmist" fourteen times in one article pretty much acknowledges his agenda.
 
warrior queen said:
I have never been convinced that human activity has caused this episode of global warming.

HOWEVER -
I am absolutely convinced that humans need to do something right now to lower their devastating impact on the planet.
We are seeing pollution levels on an unprecedented scale, with little or no effort on the part of big polluters to minimise the damage.
We are seeing waste, in all it's forms, becoming an unmanageable problem in a lot of areas, mainly due to the petrochemical (plastics) industry we rely so heavily on.
We are seeing health problems caused by the insidious seep of chemicals into the food chain, and into our bodies directly.
It is time for all countries to reassess their practices, and to STFU and actually do something.

I am one of the few Australians who is happy to see our government implement the Carbon Pollution Tax Scheme. In fact, I don't think it goes far enough to address the problems.
Luckily, I am also one of those who won't be too adversely financially affected by its implementation - my lifestyle is such that any cost deficits will be easily offset by my frugality.
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An interesting Post WQ, and sincere sounding.

All life, plant and animal, creates waste material. Nomadic tribes of men fouled an area, hunted it out, gobbled all the berries and then moved on. The transition to modern society has surely not been without its foibles, we humans make a lot of mistakes along the way, some more damaging than others.

Just a couple volcano's, Mt. St. Helens and the one in Iceland, just to reference those in recent history, devastated the earth, the air and the seas more than man has in all his history; man is a piker when it comes to pollution, insignificant in the big picture.

Progress, science, innovations and petro chemicals more than most, have extended the human life span, improved the health and nutrition of humanity to a far greater extent than any damage done by 'seepage' and such.

Your Carbon plan in Australia has already begun to destroy the economy and efforts have been successful in curbing the activists and utilizing the vast coal resources in your country instead of wasting valuable time, effort and wealth on alternative schemes that have all failed, gone over budget and not added appreciably to the energy production of the nation.

The vast herds of Buffalo that used to roam the purple plains are history now and that upsets some, but others are aware of the reality of modern man and man is just as much a part of nature as are lions and tigers and bears.

However, I would be most happy to ship all the Mosquito's & Cockaroaches to your back yard if you wish.:)

ami
 
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amicus said:
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Just a couple volcano's, Mt. St. Helens and the one in Iceland, just to reference those in recent history, devastated the earth, the air and the seas more than man has in all his history; man is a piker when it comes to pollution, insignificant in the big picture.



ami
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"
Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. While this is a conservative estimate, man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times.

In an average year, volcanoes release only 13% of the sulfur added to the atmosphere compared to anthropogenic sources."

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/education/gases/man.html
 
HermesVoice said:
You have to give Taylor credit. Anyone who would use some variation of the phrase "alarmist" fourteen times in one article pretty much acknowledges his agenda.
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The big red flag here is when the editorial writer has to mention that an article was published in a "peer reviewed" journal. This editorial raises the bar by mentioning the journal ("Remote Sensing") is peer-reviewed not once, but twice. Most people recognize the ploy as a cheap "appeal to authority".

Interestingly, "Remote Sensing" is a vanity journal with a pay-to-publish model, i.e. free to users to read, but authors pay to have their "research" published for the masses. The parent company offers vague assurances about peer-reviewing.

Naturally, something this sketchy has enormous appeal to the likes of an intellectually flaccid mind such as Amicunt's.
 
HAL_9000 said:
"
Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. While this is a conservative estimate, man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times.

In an average year, volcanoes release only 13% of the sulfur added to the atmosphere compared to anthropogenic sources."

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/education/gases/man.html
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When amicus said "man in all his history", he meant only one guy.
 
amicus said:
...This is huge, as fifty years of environmental extremism has cost billions, cost jobs and enticed an entire generation to worry needlessly about human generated carbon dioxide.

For all you bleeding hearts out there who have built a life around recycling, conserving energy, spending money on expensive alternatives, you are all dead wrong and you have harmed society in ways greater than you will ever admit.

Anthropogenic Global Warming has always been an environmental activists hoax and now there is absolute proof...
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It does seem that the public is no longer buying the global warming issue as human created nor that strong actions should be taken:

Voters have been almost evenly divided on whether human activity or long-term planetary trends are to blame for global warming since May of last year .
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Regardless of the cause of global warming, adults remain divided on whether to take action or not. While 40% believe Americans should take immediate action to stop global warming, 42% suggest waiting a few years. Americans were just as divided back in February 2009 .

But 47% now believe the media makes global warming appear to be worse than it really is, down from 54% in February 2009 . Nineteen percent (19%) say it makes the situation look better than reality, while the same percentage (19%) thinks the media presents an accurate picture of global warming. Another 15% are undecided.
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And majorities belief its at least partially a created hoax:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of American Adults shows that 69% say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs, including 40% who say this is Very Likely. Twenty-two percent (22%) don’t think it’s likely some scientists have falsified global warming data, including just six percent (6%) say it’s Not At All Likely. Another 10% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here .)

The number of adults who say it’s likely scientists have falsified data is up 10 points from December 2009 .
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ntists_have_falsified_global_warming_research
 
Personally, I think its real and human created myself BTW.

What bothers me is that people like Al Gore and company have tried to use it as a way to further erode national sovereignty and strengthen supra-national bodies. That a legitimate environmental issue could be hijacked by people for a completely unrelated purpose is terrible. I blame Al and the one-world crowd for this. This issue should never have been linked to furthering world government. I agree Earth hangs in the balance, but Al et al helped to ensure the planet is screwed by going off on a tangent like that. Its pretty sad.
 
amicus said:
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An interesting Post WQ, and sincere sounding.

All life, plant and animal, creates waste material. Nomadic tribes of men fouled an area, hunted it out, gobbled all the berries and then moved on. The transition to modern society has surely not been without its foibles, we humans make a lot of mistakes along the way, some more damaging than others.

Just a couple volcano's, Mt. St. Helens and the one in Iceland, just to reference those in recent history, devastated the earth, the air and the seas more than man has in all his history; man is a piker when it comes to pollution, insignificant in the big picture.

Progress, science, innovations and petro chemicals more than most, have extending the human life span, improved the health and nutrition of humanity to a far greater extent than any damage done by 'seepage' and such.

Your Carbon plan in Australia has already begun to destroy economy and efforts have been successful in curbing the activists and utilizing the vast coal resources in your country instead of wasting valuable time, effort and wealth on alternative schemes that have all failed, gone over budget and not added appreciably to the energy production of the nation.

The vast herds of Buffalo that used to roam the purple plains are history now and that upsets some, but others are aware of the reality of modern man and man is just as much a part of nature as are lions and tigers and bears.

However, I would be most happy to ship all the Mosquito's & Cockaroaches to your back yard if you wish.:)

ami
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What you call progress, I call contributory factors in the unsustainable growth of the human population, and all it's accompanying waste and resourse mismanagement.
Humans now vastly outnumber the available resourses, should a catastrophic event* occur that forces us to re-evaluate methods of food production.
We have already seen devastated wheat crops in the Soviet Union, natural disasters in Australia affecting the most productive land, entire rice crops in Bangladesh ruined by flood, etc.
These things will not stop happening - indeed, they are occuring more and more frequently.
The time has come for all nations to recognise and open dialogue on the best ways to manage global food production, with an emphasis on far-reaching sustainable practices and how best to meet a future where oil/petrol/gas may not be so readily available (or affordable!)
We are seeing vast tracts of land, which could be used for production, given over to waste collection and storage, byproducts of our 'throw-away' lifestyle.
The Global Warming debate, if it achieves nothing else, should ignite industry to progress toward a more sustainable future.

*I include the inevitable decline in available petro-chemical resourses here, as well as other possible events, such as global temperature spikes, disease, natural disasters, etc., which might cause crop failures on an unprecedented scale.

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Oh, and I'm not sure if you've heard, but the Australian economy is doing very well atm - far better than other western economies, most notably the USA.
 
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