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Never had much of an interest in the Gor stuff. Willfulbrat sent me a manual download last year, but I never got around to reading it. I have enjoyed the slave positions and have incorporated them into play at times. Are there any other rituals that might be interesting? If we have any people here who dabble in Gor. Haven't seen Willful around lately.
 
i never was interested in anything Gor and ran hell for leather when i came across a Gorean Master, or even one that proclaimed to be...and from the term slave...

But recently, Soron has asked me to read things and comment on them, some being from Gor sites and i, alone have taken the initiative to read some slave and Master articles and essays on the sites. i have learned some things that are pertinent to my own way of thinking and my own personality by these readings. A Dom friend of mine once told me to stay away from Gor because it was the kind of D/s that hurt. But so far, i have not found that to be the case. i have found women that are truly bound in ways that i, at this stage of my journey, even fathom and that they revel in the slavery.

i find myself drawn to these readings more and more...coupled with readings from submissives...and just this morning Soron sent me an assignment to read and give my thoughts on regarding the needs of a slave...

i am learning...it is opening my mind...and that is as it should be...

my two cents worth...

belle
:rose:
 
I'm just finishing up "Tarnsman of Gor", the first of the series of John Norman's books on Gor. I have committed myself to reading the next three books as well.

I've visited a couple of Gorean sites as a visitor. Normally this is respected, and honest questions encouraged. I was soured, however, when at one site I entered for the first time as plainly indicating I was a visitor and had no experience with Gor. You can imagine my surprise when the "Ubar" had his second in command "collar" me. Well, not surprise, exactly. More like disgust. I private messaged the "Ubar" and told him what I thought of his little tactic and left.

I agree the concept behind the "Gorean fantasy" (which is how I have come to view it) is interesting, and I wouldn't mind roleplaying this. But, having read the first book, my opinion is that the basis of Gor (John Norman's books) is not well thought out nor is it all that well written. I think people get "caught up" in the whole fantasy/sci fi/Master-slave thing and leave reality behind.

I've met a few people who claim they actually live the Gorean lifestyle. Okay, so be it. I have issues with it myself that are pretty strong. (Such as Gor being an "alternate earth", so how could one possibly live that out here? And since Goreans don't have cars and other modern means of technology, how does that fit in?) I think that people have read the books, became infatuated with a fantasy, and wanted to roleplay it all the time. Sort of like a sexual "D&D" thing.

But then, I may be wrong as well.....
 
i am curious about the books and interested in reading them...perhaps how with my friend Chele's thoughts so clear, i shall ~smile~

:kiss:
 
Goreans

we had some Goreans in our Pansexual BDSM group in WA and we all got along fine.

Not my thing, but to live and let live is my motto.

Eb
 
spankableBelle said:
i am curious about the books and interested in reading them...perhaps how with my friend Chele's thoughts so clear, i shall ~smile~

:kiss:
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I wouldn't recommend committing to reading several, though, as I did! (A major fault of mine!) But I would recommend at the very least the first one - "Tarnsman of Gor". Gives you a basis for the story, how it all begins, so to speak, and sets the tone. Plus, it's very short and an easy read.

I've been told the "best" books on Gorean sexuality are "slave girl" series. (3 books) All of which are out of print, and used copies go for like $50!

*Still thinking how in the world chele is going to link this to the original question asked*
 
SexyChele said:


I wouldn't recommend committing to reading several, though, as I did! (A major fault of mine!) But I would recommend at the very least the first one - "Tarnsman of Gor". Gives you a basis for the story, how it all begins, so to speak, and sets the tone. Plus, it's very short and an easy read.

I've been told the "best" books on Gorean sexuality are "slave girl" series. (3 books) All of which are out of print, and used copies go for like $50!

*Still thinking how in the world chele is going to link this to the original question asked*
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:rose: Chele...thank you ~smile~
 
WriterDom said:
Never had much of an interest in the Gor stuff. Willfulbrat sent me a manual download last year, but I never got around to reading it. I have enjoyed the slave positions and have incorporated them into play at times. Are there any other rituals that might be interesting? If we have any people here who dabble in Gor. Haven't seen Willful around lately.
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well.......about 4 years ago i got slavenapped and taken to AOLGor in cyberchains.......but i escaped when my Mistress was killed and my computer refused to be inherited by Her son's computer because it didnt like the look of its firewall..... :D


seriously speaking, i was attracted to the beauty, formality, discipline and no nonsense harshness of Gor to some extent....and even met some people who were into Gor RT over the years......

BUT, in the end, i realized that Gor was not the place for a RT slave aspirant who actually needed to feel nurtured and valued as a slave, and not just accept being property blindly with no attention paid to his needs.

ALSO, RT Gor is a hard place for a male slave to be accepted, as most Masters despise male slaves.......and most Mistresses (called FreeWomen on GOR) are not "real Mistresses", as they always have to show deference to Masters and most turn to GOR just to find a mate, who may rule over her if He so chooses
 
Written and published in the early 1980's, please check out Sharon Green's books for a more femdom kinda John Gor sorta fantasy scenario.

She's written a lot of books that cross many genres. Here's a list of the kind i'm talking about here:

Jalav/Amazon Warrior
1 The Crystals of Mida (1982)
2 An Oath to Mida (1983)
3 Chosen of Mida (1984)
4 The Will of the Gods (1985)
5 To Battle the Gods (1986)

Far Side of Forever
1 The Far Side of Forever (1987)
2 Hellhound Magic (1989)

Diana Santee, Spaceways Agent
1 Mind Guest (1984)
2 Gateway to Xanadu (1985)
 
As far as the books go

Ah Gor or John Carter of Mars does BDSM:D. The first few books were ok. If I recall correctly about the 3rd or 4th seemed the best. I think i quit reading them around book 17 or so.

Wow I didn't know they were going so much. I have the slavegirl series as well. I might have to dig these out and sell them. If I recall they were a bit better than the rest of the series by that time.
 
Kajira Ponygrrl, Are You Out There?

I think of Gor as being like Lord of The Rings and Dungeons & Dragons and Trekkies......stuff that maroons with no lives do in their vast amounts of spare time.

That being said, I just like the word "Kajira".

Hmmm, I guess I need to find a cute-bummed brunette named Kajira Ponygrrl.

Lance "Narrowing It Down" Castor
 
I recently learned my husband was really into the books in high school, well before he ever expressed an overt interest in BDSM stuff. So, I suspect they've influenced his view of D/s. I used to follow SteamyChik's posts pretty carefully, because she seemed like an interesting chica. I heard she was living in a Gorean situation, and she gave me some web sites and BBS locales to check out.

The inhabitants of these sites were, for the most part, a bunch of quasi-Dom men sitting around yanking their cranks about how women ought to be--and of course a few frighteningly easy women eager to be whatever they were told. I thought, "This can't be what all the fuss is about." So, out of curiosity, I read the first book.

In my opinion, and only my opinion, it was badly written fantasy jerk-off material for hopeless dorks. (And, yes, in high school, my husband was firmly in that category. Think Anthony Michael Hall in the John Hughes movies.)

I agree with Lance that "kajira" is a pretty cool word, though.
 
Oh my god.....

::finger in cheek:: Where can I get one of these... books?

RisiaSkye said:
In my opinion, and only my opinion, it was badly written fantasy jerk-off material for hopeless dorks.
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Now I wish I'd read the books. I have the first three and never really got around to reading them. They've been sitting in a drawer for about 5 years. But I'm really not into fantasy stories so I kind of lost interest.

I have talked to a Dom who I guess follows the Gorean thing, because he was the one who recommended the books. What I got out of it mostly was that it's more a 24/7, Master/slave lifestyle. Once collared the slave I believe gives up all rights.

This Dom was very kind and very patient, he sure put up with a lot of questions from me, and never treated me with anything but respect. As there are Dom wannabes in regular BDSM I'm sure there are wannabes in the Gorean area also. I don't think it would be fair to lump them all together just because some act a certain way.

CatEyes
 
Gor

girl is of Gor and wishes to tell her side
Gor is not the petty little wordl that some see on line Gor is a true slave and master relationship gor is world where all men are great and most woman are slave the few free weman have very little say so in day to day life John Normans book of which i have read 8 have there ups and down as do most books i understand that this may not be the life for most but when you deal with subs all day that bicker back and forth and try to get a Masters attention away from another Master it all get piddly and no i am not down grading subs i am just sayingthe that was not the life i wanted although i know that is not the way all subs act Gor is a very strict life and not for the weak of heart


{till you taste the heat of a Masters Brand there will never be anything so sweet}
 
Thank you, deliciea. Long ago, long before this forum existed, back when it was only one thread in the How To... forum, we had a Gorean slave girl (SteamyChik, the one R mentioned earlier) who frequented our company for awhile. We asked her some questions then, so we could know, and i'd like to know if we could ask you some questions now, so we can know more. I would not be asking the questions to ridicule or belittle you in any way, and i honestly don't want to offend you at all, but i'm sincerely curious about the whole gorean mindset and the intersection between mainstream BDSM practices and those you see as Gorean in nature.

May i ask questions...and others, too, if they please?
:cool:


(Just for reference, we talked to SteamyChik about this on page 6 and 8, mostly, of the M thread - http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=39661&perpage=25 )
 
Just for the record, I met John Norman at a sci-fi con in Dallas many years ago. Ironically, his wife was flagrantly bossing him around.
Hmmm, makes you think, doesn't it?
 
GOR

cymbidia
girl would be more than happy to answer any questions she can for you and if she cannt she will try to find the answer for you will that be ok
 
cymbidia said:
Thank you, deliciea. Long ago, long before this forum existed, back when it was only one thread in the How To... forum, we had a Gorean slave girl (SteamyChik, the one R mentioned earlier) who frequented our company for awhile. We asked her some questions then, so we could know, and i'd like to know if we could ask you some questions now, so we can know more. I would not be asking the questions to ridicule or belittle you in any way, and i honestly don't want to offend you at all, but i'm sincerely curious about the whole gorean mindset and the intersection between mainstream BDSM practices and those you see as Gorean in nature.

May i ask questions...and others, too, if they please?
:cool:

(Just for reference, we talked to SteamyChik about this on page 6 and 8, mostly, of the M thread - http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=39661&perpage=25 )
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thank you for referencing the above-noted thread, cymbidia......i read the particular posts on Gor and found the information provided quite interesting :) .........did you ever post your reactions to SteamyChik's posts once you digested them?........or did you just do so privately?

i suppose the excerpt below reaffirms my suspiscion that male slaves are not welcomed in Real Life Gor........ :( :


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(taken from SteamyChik post on page 8 of the thread noted above by cymbidia:

"Actually, in the Gor series, there were male slaves and therefore Mistresses. However, the mainstream Gorean group is made up of mostly dominant men with the women as slaves. Dominant women are tolerated only if they are still submissive in nature to a certain degree. And then, male slaves are not tolerated at all. I would say that in general, Fem Dommes and male subs belong in the BDSM world more than the Gorean. That is just my own personal experience. There may be other Gorean groups somewhere that incorporate both.")
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deliciea.......may i please ask if you have Real Life experience in Gor, and, if so, could you please share with us the dynamics involved in your experiences? thank you, and welcome to this forum as well ! :rose:
 
luvsubbbbb said:



thank you for referencing the above-noted thread, cymbidia......i read the particular posts on Gor and found the information provided quite interesting :) .........did you ever post your reactions to SteamyChik's posts once you digested them?........or did you just do so privately?

i suppose the excerpt below reaffirms my suspiscion that male slaves are not welcomed in Real Life Gor........ :( :


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(taken from SteamyChik post on page 8 of the thread noted above by cymbidia:

"Actually, in the Gor series, there were male slaves and therefore Mistresses. However, the mainstream Gorean group is made up of mostly dominant men with the women as slaves. Dominant women are tolerated only if they are still submissive in nature to a certain degree. And then, male slaves are not tolerated at all. I would say that in general, Fem Dommes and male subs belong in the BDSM world more than the Gorean. That is just my own personal experience. There may be other Gorean groups somewhere that incorporate both.")
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deliciea.......may i please ask if you have Real Life experience in Gor, and, if so, could you please share with us the dynamics involved in your experiences? thank you, and welcome to this forum as well ! :rose:
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I will also be watching this thread with interest as from every form W/we learn..from every question comes an answer and from every answer comes a question.
 
I haven't read any of the books (doubt that my library will carry them!) so cannot really comment - but am fascinated by what little I have read on Lit about it.
 
Here's where i'm coming from on this issue, deliciea. The following is from the M thread, page 6, and was written more than a year ago. I'm still in essentially the same place on the issue, though, since i haven't investigated this any further since SteamyChick talked to us about it back then. I just want you to know my prejudices and the depth to which i don't understand your lifestyle going into the questions, okay?
I'm almost ignorant about Gor and those who practice it for real, to be honest. I've read the books (before i knew there were poeple out there doing this for real, btw) and spent a bit of time in Gor chatrooms, in both IRC and Chatrolpolis, as a guest of one inhabitant or another, trying to make some sense of the whole thing.

I'm not stupid or naive. I'm not a newbie to any of this stuff. I know chat Gor can't be much like the five senses world Gor (living it doing it feeling it wanting it needing it) must be because i know that chat BDSM isn't anything much like anything i've ever done. However, as for so many of us, it was a place for me to gather some knowledge about the thing without actually going out there and doing it.

So, even allowing for the exaggerated emphasis on perfect serving form and different meanings to the colors of silk scarves and that rather off-putting Big Bad Sword-Wielding Master puffery so deeply ingrained in online Gor places, i'm *still* mystified as to it's allure.
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Please know that we're real-world focused in this place, deliciea, for all that we have a number of people who are in LDR's (long distance relationships) but who (for the most part) intend to take it to skin-to-skin interactions when they can. We're not interested in the discussion of chat room style play, Gor or mainstream BDSM, here. There are places for that everywhere on the net; this is not one of them.

With that in mind, would you tell us please, deliciea:

1. What's the difference between mainstream BDSM and Gorean BDSM?

2. What does the concept of SSC mean to Goreans?

3. Why does one choose Gorean style BDSM (if y'all even consider it BDSM-do you?) over mainstream BDSM? Is it just cuz you meet someone who's already doing it or is it a long slow gradual evolution into that kinda needing?

4. Abuse happens in BDSM relationships. It's ugly and we don't like to to look at it, but it happens. Do you in the Gorean see that as true too, or is all physical punishment always okay no matter what?

5. What do you like best about being of Gor vs. being a part of a mainstream BDSM relationship?

6. If you're without a Master in a chat room setting, that can be rectified in seconds. It seems there are Masters (whether or not they have the faintest idea of what the word means) standing by to grab anyone who even looks unpartnered. That's not the wayt it works in real life though. In real life, we often need the support of a local community to meet like-minded people--or the long slow process of shifting through alt.com or bondage.com ads. How does that work for a real life Gorean slave girl, that process of finding a suitable Master?

Thank you.
:rose:
 
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deliciea.......may I please ask if you have Real Life experience in Gor, and, if so, could you please share with us the dynamics involved in your experiences
yes girl has had real life in both time IN BDSM was for about 8 months before she went looking for more r\t GOR was for about 3 months but she has studied and found many articles on this subject and would be more than happy to give them to any and all that wish them also has a site that has all the book GOR books on line if any wish

The Difference between GOR and BDSM is that

BDSM is for the submissive not actually slave in BDSM the slave has the choice of limits and who her Master is and how for this relationship goes she chooses to obey and be his THE MASTERS

In GOR there is no choice the Master is just that the Master is a lot like the days of slavery in that a slave belongs to a master and any thing that he wishes is his any thing that he requests of his slave she is bidden to do there is a bond of trust that has to be there more so than BDSM because he holds your life in his hand he may use you and\or give you or even sale you at his whim

GOR is not for the faint of heart

Concerning male slave
Male slave are usually taken to do menial labor and it is very disgracing to become a male slave of GOR even the Free woman is a slave to her self in the long run it is said that to break a woman and make her a slave is to reveal her to her true self

Why does one choose Gorean style BDSM (if y'all even consider it BDSM-do you?) over mainstream BDSM? Is it just cuz you meet someone who's already doing it or is it a long slow gradual evolution into that kinda needing

For this one it was the need for more the life of a sub was not what fulfilled her totally and for some it may be a slow needing of some sort but as girl said earlier it is not for the faint of heart

4. Abuse happens in BDSM relationships. It's ugly and we don't like to look at it, but it happens. Do you in the Gorean see that as true too, or is all physical punishment always okay no matter what?

Yes abuse is ugly and as with BDSM or life in general abuse happens because a man thinks of feels the need to have that kind of power girls personal feeling is that Abuse is not power it is weakness
In BDSM a Master has the right within limits to do as he wishes but a true Master never has raize his hand and can still punish a sub
In GOR it is not for a slave to have limits for she belongs to that Master he may do as he wishes girl has seen some beat and whipped almost to death that where she feels somewhat that they were justified but she has seen a Master never raise his hand and a slave will feel likes she has been beat to within a inch of her life
Abuse happens in all three lives BDSM GOR and real life in general and in the long run the slave feels closer to this Master this is not for this girl do not wished to be beat just cause a Master can and enjoys it


5. What do you like best about being of Gor vs. being a part of a mainstream BDSM relationship?

In BDSM girl had a choice of what she wanted and how far she would push her limits
IN GOR she has no limits no control of her self some one else is responsible for her ever thought and it becomes a bond that is far greater than real life BDSM or anything else


6. If you're without a Master in a chat room setting, that can be rectified in seconds. It seems there are Masters (whether or not they have the faintest idea of what the word means) standing by to grab anyone who even looks unpartnered. That's not the way it works in real life though. In real life, we often need the support of a local community to meet like-minded people--or the long slow process of shifting through alt.com or bondage.com ads. How does that work for a real life Gorean slave girl, that process of finding a suitable Master?


When girl made the transformation to GOR she found a Master right away but she rushed into it and at this time she is looking girl can tell you of some site to look at and some chat board that are not like what we have on msn icq and aol at this time girl has no Master wonders if there is even any out there that are true Masters and no just some geek looking to get his rocks off




Girl hopes that she has answered all or at least most of your questions and will be happy to answer any more that any may have
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deliciea,
thank you for a view into your experiances! it is facinating. i am trying to understand more, i don't want to sound judgemental - i am just having troubles with my words...

i have searched for that connection with another person my whole life.
who i look to has changed over the years, from my parents, to my brother and sister, to friends at school and finally in romantic and BDSM relationships (coupled with deep and lasting friendships and continued interaction with my family)
i think everyone wants something at least similar.
okay here's the question i have.
i don't see to much of a difference emotionally then a committed relationship in BDSM couples. (or some 'nilla ones for that matter)
so that leaves the main differences physical?
how does that affect your daily life? are your clothes chosen for you? do you still see your friends and family as often? what about your food, your personal hygine habits (some like scented baths others like showers) when you go out together are you introduced to his friends?
the list goes on and on - those are meant for examples really.

the reason i ask this way is that - in my relationship (romantic originally - D/s forming slowly as we go on)
i would like to - and probably will reach a point eventually where he is in control of all aspects of my life. my answers would be

yes, he'd choose my clothes (at least everything in my wardrobe would be his choice and if he wanted to pick daily as well)
yes i'd still see my family and friends as often - unless there was a pressing engagement, or he decided to spend Xmas this year with *his* family.
yes the food i buy and prepare would be to his tastes.
yes if he wanted me to take baths as opposed to showers it would be so.
are these things discussed when you meet? even if he will have the end word - does he know what yours would be?

there we go after all that rambling LOL that's what i want to know.
are you stripped bare when you enter his service?
 
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