Gender Identity/ Sexual Orientation
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Yes! That is another issue that is a HUGE problem!
How do we clean this shit up? How do we get this crap back out of our soil?
So...so scary!
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It's not, but it is why it matters.
Because it's an asshole move and they need to fuck off and mind their own business.
Noted.
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None of your responses make any sense at all. Quelle surprise.
How is caring about the lives of others an 'asshole move'?
And if 'catering to micro-minorities' isn't related to an over-concern with the 'cause' of transgender, then how can that be 'why it matters'?
I find people's lack of fundamental logic far more alarming than any gender identity they may care to express.
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Start by asking them to label it.
In the EU, its the law.
north America has not moved its ass on this. Label GMO products so people can at least make a choice.
In the EU, its the law.
north America has not moved its ass on this. Label GMO products so people can at least make a choice.
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I very much doubt toxins are at play here. There's plenty of non-western cultures in which trans people are just part of the population. And there's absolutely no way to prove that there's a higher incidence of transgender now than in the past, because you're dealing with entirely different social contexts, which has an inevitable effect on how people express their sexual or gender identities.
Meh...you seem to be an intelligent person. I am always open to others' opinions, thoughts and experiences.
Here's the best test to prove one way or the others' ideas here.
See what shows up in the news...talk shows...medical journals about 5 years from now.
I'm not hoping that you will be found wrong, Kim...or even that I am found right.
I just want these kids to be secure and find support....
...because my beloved granddaughter is one of them.
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I don't really know that talk shows, or even the news, are 'evidence' of anything.
I'll go back and have a look at the link you originally posted at some point. Although the problem with any 'toxins' argument is that they're very difficult to prove or disprove.
I'll go back and have a look at the link you originally posted at some point. Although the problem with any 'toxins' argument is that they're very difficult to prove or disprove.
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I'm a bit more attuned to this topic because I, like everybody else read that the nomber of kids diagnosed with it in the States increased at an alarming rate. But it just washed over me.
I only paid real attention when my sister (who lives in the States) told me that Two of her same generation friends -foreigners too, who emmigrated to the States- have autistic kids. We haven't heard of any cases from back home.
What the Hell is going on? They keep coming up with all these hypotheses (one of the latest one being that early pregnancy ultrasound might contribute to it). But they aren't able to establish an undisputable link.
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Tip of the iceberg.
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Maybe you should learn to read then.
It's not, forcing others to care about the lives of others is.
Because the two don't have to be related for one of them to matter.
LOL....
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Who is 'forcing' anyone to care about the lives of others?
So your response to my question about why the 'cause' of transgender matters was "Because the left finds it imperative to cater to the special feelings of every micro-minority no matter how fuckin' delusional." If the two things (the 'search for a cause' and 'catering to special feelings etc') aren't related, how is your statement a response to my actual question?
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The left/SJW's want to put a fucking GUN to everyones head and force them into the transDelusion.
That's right.
Because if the (D)'s weren't out pushing the "Be pro trans, promote it or you're a Nazi!!" message then there would only be like 3 PhD's ' searching for a cause' and nobody would give a shit.
Oh no! I had not even heard of the ultrasound theory! Either way, once those involved in the medical profession start having kids with these issues....or their own grandchildren start having these out-of-the-ordinary problems....
Then it will suddenly be an issue.
You know how it goes. sad.
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Oh no! I had not even heard of the ultrasound theory! Either way, once those involved in the medical profession start having kids with these issues....or their own grandchildren start having these out-of-the-ordinary problems....
Then it will suddenly be an issue.
You know how it goes. sad.
It was actually an article published in RT.
That some prestigious university in the States conducted some research linking the two. Then another prestigious university conducted their own research saying that no, it's not true.
-- Same goes with Monsanto and the pesticide they use: glyphosphate.
Some research laboratory in Sweden published their findings: that it causes cancer in mice. Next thing we know, all the other research showing that there's no link between the two.
And now the latest scare that glyphosphate might contribute to or cause autism.
Which will probably be disproved as well.
Meanwhile: "the 1970s and 1980s, about one out of every 2,000 children had autism.
Today, the CDC estimates that one in 150 8-year-olds in the U.S. has an autism spectrum disorder, or ASD. "
Even with all the corrections regarding whatever which would temper down the nombers a bit, that would still be an alarming trend.
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I brought it up, Fala, because your second post made me curious enough to research the topic, and I came across this intriguing fact:
There's this canadian psychologist Dr. Kenneth Zucker who caused a lot of anger among transgender activists when he explained the latest increase in nomber of referrals with this:
"The increasingly convincing link between autism and gender dysphoric kids"
https://www.mercatornet.com/conjuga...etween-autism-and-gender-dysphoric-kids/19232
And he's not one of the idiots or conspiracy theorists.
He's a renown clinical psychologist and professor at the University of Toronto, and former Head of the Gender Identity Service at Toronto's Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH).
(He was later dismissed from that position following pressure from the activists).
I'm not saying that it's necessarily true, but as you implied, one needs to keep an open mind. There's a risk that the immense politicization of the issue might make people dismissive of other factors.
There's this canadian psychologist Dr. Kenneth Zucker who caused a lot of anger among transgender activists when he explained the latest increase in nomber of referrals with this:
"The increasingly convincing link between autism and gender dysphoric kids"
https://www.mercatornet.com/conjuga...etween-autism-and-gender-dysphoric-kids/19232
And he's not one of the idiots or conspiracy theorists.
He's a renown clinical psychologist and professor at the University of Toronto, and former Head of the Gender Identity Service at Toronto's Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH).
(He was later dismissed from that position following pressure from the activists).
I'm not saying that it's necessarily true, but as you implied, one needs to keep an open mind. There's a risk that the immense politicization of the issue might make people dismissive of other factors.
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So I'm assuming a fairly accurate summation of your points here is 'the left are forcing everyone to be pro-trans'.
Where's your evidence for that?
(Also, I'd still give a shit - I gave a shit quite a while before this became an international talking point.)
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Fala, I'm pretty much not in agreement with the first paragraph of this article. Is there any point in me reading further? I will if there, but if the first para is setting up the basis of the subsequent argument, I'm pretty confident that I'm not going to concur.
Thanks hsnh. I'm so grateful for your time and research on this for me.
You are the best, doll. I'm exhausted and need to get some sleep....will catch you on here later.
I'll also be taking a look at that link. Thanks so much doll! muah!
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I don't think Zucker is a particularly neutral source. And the publication linked to above certainly isn't.
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Mercatornet is a far right extremist religious mouthpiece.
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Why wouldn't he be neutral?
He's a psychologist who worked in those particular clinics, and described what he and other psychologists observed.
He's not a politician.
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Why wouldn't he be neutral?
He's a psychologist who worked in those particular clinics, and described what he and other psychologists observed.
He's not a politician.
The idea that research and researchers are automatically objective is a little problematic. Most have a theory, and they're interested in proving their theory. The hard sciences tend to be a bit more neutral, because their theories are pretty easily replicated in lab conditions. Social sciences, not so much. Objectivity is obviously the gold standard, but it's seldom obtained.
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Why wouldn't he be neutral?
He's a psychologist who worked in those particular clinics, and described what he and other psychologists observed.
He's not a politician.
Let's not forget that it wasn't so long ago that people (a lot of them psychologists) were attempting to 'cure' people of homosexuality using aversion therapy. If you're a field that's aligned with medical practice, you have an interest in 'curing' people, which implies you have to interpret something as an 'illness' in the first instance. I'm not saying that's not often the case, but it does result in having a particular position on a lot of things.
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There were controversies among Dr. Zucker's peers regarding his interpretations of what he saw, and his treatment methods.
-- But he and other psychologists couldn't have been wrong about their observations regarding autistic traits among a small group of kids referred to the clinic. Those are objective.
That's my view on this.
But I'm not in a position to judge, nor do I have the competence for that so I"ll leave it there, even tho I thought it was fascinating,
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But the other thing that struck me, and was worrisome was that Transgender activists who lack any competence in these matters were the main engine that set in motion his dismissal from the clinic.
For now, the alarming increase in the referrals of kids under the age of five, to Transgender clinics doesn't equate with an increase in the nomber of kids diagnosed with GID.
Because those specialists are not idiots and are able to tease out what's what.
But how long before politicians and activists start attacking or suing those psychologists and doctors who tell the parents: "I don't think that your kid is one of the ones who are really transgender.".
It looks like we're heading that way.
-- But he and other psychologists couldn't have been wrong about their observations regarding autistic traits among a small group of kids referred to the clinic. Those are objective.
That's my view on this.
But I'm not in a position to judge, nor do I have the competence for that so I"ll leave it there, even tho I thought it was fascinating,
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But the other thing that struck me, and was worrisome was that Transgender activists who lack any competence in these matters were the main engine that set in motion his dismissal from the clinic.
For now, the alarming increase in the referrals of kids under the age of five, to Transgender clinics doesn't equate with an increase in the nomber of kids diagnosed with GID.
Because those specialists are not idiots and are able to tease out what's what.
But how long before politicians and activists start attacking or suing those psychologists and doctors who tell the parents: "I don't think that your kid is one of the ones who are really transgender.".
It looks like we're heading that way.
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