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THIS is how to work "freedom of religion" and make the conventional folks crazy!

JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Why in hell do you wanna let junior dweebs decide anything? That's the craziest fucking proposition I've seen since LC posted something similar. The little bastards bring guns to school.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that many kids are raised from birth to follow the religion of their region and family. Simply put, I'm saying we not predetermine what they believe. Let them grow up and decide their spirituality, if any at all.

Further... could you imagine if one hadn't heard of any religion until they were 25 and then approached with the various faiths?
 
lovecraft68 said:
No, imbeciles are the people who look around this world and still try to shove the concept of a "merciful" god down people's throats.
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Yeah, what ever happened the merciful god I was told about in Sunday School? The one that told us to always turn the other cheek when someone hit you, to help your enemy, to give your money to the poor, that it was wrong to "live by the sword 'cause then you would die by the sword," and that it was so very difficult for a rich person to get into heaven. What ever happened to that Christian god?
 
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SecondCircle said:
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that many kids are raised from birth to follow the religion of their region and family. Simply put, I'm saying we not predetermine what they believe. Let them grow up and decide their spirituality, if any at all.

Further... could you imagine if one hadn't heard of any religion until they were 25 and then approached with the various faiths?
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I'm atheist and think Christianity has some dandy ideas kids can profit from rather than using Orwell's 1984 that you and LC like so much as a child rearing manual. Implicit in your posts is the proposition that minors are competent to make decisions. Don't make me laugh. Juvenile court is fulla smart thinking youngsters and addled adults like you and LC.
 
49greg said:
Yeah, what ever happened the merciful god I was told about in Sunday School? The one that told us to always turn the other cheek when someone hit you, to help your enemy, to give your money to the poor, that it was wrong to "live by the sword 'cause then you would die by the sword," and that it was so very difficult for a rich person to get into heaven. What ever happened to that Christian god?
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Are about as many embodiments of a godhead as there are believers, who invent deities to reflect and exalt themselves. Merciful people have merciful deities. Shitty people have shitty gods. And believers ignore doctrines that interfere with their predispositions. Greedheads and powermongers ignore the Beatitudes. According to Dante, a warm future awaits them. Stoke up the fires...
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
I'm atheist and think Christianity has some dandy ideas kids can profit from rather than using Orwell's 1984 that you and LC like so much as a child rearing manual. Implicit in your posts is the proposition that minors are competent to make decisions. Don't make me laugh. Juvenile court is fulla smart thinking youngsters and addled adults like you and LC.
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Alright then once more so we're clear.

Keep them free of religion when they are kids. Introduce religion and spirituality when adults. Make decision as an adult.

The point is not to teach them to believe something from birth. Because of course they'll be Christian if that's all that is ever pedaled to them from day one.

So when they... grow up... then let them decide what they wanna believe. Because it's just kinda obvious that if you told a twenty five year old about invisible men and burning bushes and every species of animal on one big boat, he'd be a bit more skeptical than a 6 yr old.
 
SecondCircle said:
Alright then once more so we're clear.

Keep them free of religion when they are kids. Introduce religion and spirituality when adults. Make decision as an adult.

The point is not to teach them to believe something from birth. Because of course they'll be Christian if that's all that is ever pedaled to them from day one.

So when they... grow up... then let them decide what they wanna believe. Because it's just kinda obvious that if you told a twenty five year old about invisible men and burning bushes and every species of animal on one big boat, he'd be a bit more skeptical than a 6 yr old.
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Oh we're clear all right. Let them eat candy and stare at the tv till they decide whats best. The thing is you don't gotta attribute shit to an invisible man, right is right and someone at home has gotta be the adult. Action has consequences, and if you let them run feral youre a coward and an asshole like LC.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Oh we're clear all right. Let them eat candy and stare at the tv till they decide whats best. The thing is you don't gotta attribute shit to an invisible man, right is right and someone at home has gotta be the adult. Action has consequences, and if you let them run feral youre a coward and an asshole like LC.
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Let them run feral. Without religion we run feral? And we can only have right and wrong through these stories given by religion?

Actually... whatever, you're right. <chuckles> I don't even want to fathom a conversation of religion with JBJ. You are right, you win.
 
I love the irony of a religious debate on a porn site.

Ah faith on god....I could go on, but I will leave it with the best analogy I have.

Belief in god is the equivalent to a wife in an abusive marriage.

The asshole does nothing for her, always disappoints her, hurts her repeatedly, but yet she continues to stay because she knows he "loves her"

And the real part of that analogy is when I say things to people like "and where is your god? why does he let all these things happen, all his children suffer?

They start babbling and I am reminded again of the battered spouse who as she sits there with a black eye makes excuses for her asshole husband and how he really does care.....

Why is it that back in the bible God was "involved"? he saved Daniel from the lions, he kept those three kids from burning in the fire, he brought down the walls of Jericho he laid the smack down on Pharaoh, he did all these things...

But today? Nothing, why is that?

because the bible is a bunch of made up stories, that's why.
 
49greg said:
Yeah, what ever happened the merciful god I was told about in Sunday School? The one that told us to always turn the other cheek when someone hit you, to help your enemy, to give your money to the poor, that it was wrong to "live by the sword 'cause then you would die by the sword," and that it was so very difficult for a rich person to get into heaven. What ever happened to that Christian god?
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What your describing is people not adhering to the bibles 'lessons' that would not be the fault of god, but his followers

Which brings me to the point that is you need to be a good person only to impress god or because you fear hell, are you really a good person?

The ten commandments did not come from god...they came from Moses who said "I need to control these people, I need to instill some values in them, how do I do that? Oh, I'll go up to the mountain top, smoke some herb and chisel down what I think are some good rules to live by then tell them....God said this!

Yeah!

Smart guy Moses.

Almost as smart as Mary who got knocked up fucking around in a day and age where that shit could get you stoned so she makes up this story about how....Its god's baby! Yeah.....god will be born through me....

This shit kills me.

I get more out of Grimms Fairy tales and Aesop's fables than that book I'm told I should live by.
 
lovecraft68 said:
I love the irony of a religious debate on a porn site.

Ah faith on god....I could go on, but I will leave it with the best analogy I have. . .

because the bible is a bunch of made up stories, that's why.
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Up to a point, I'm tempted to agree with you.
But a man (person) carries his God in his head (or heart).
Personally, I wonder about the wonderful (?) bible stories, but they were mostly written for an ignorant population, I understand.

The God in my head is immovable. Here & now may not be the best time to try and explain just how I came to believe; the irony is not lost on me..
You do not need a load of physical evidence to accept the existence of a God (although it may help sometime).

Frankly, I'd rather believe in God and then discover no such thing than the opposite.
 
I can see the irony at face value.

But a lot of times the "this on a porn board" is lost on me. After all, this is still a literature site. The literature happens to be in the category of people fucking. You could probably scour any other "type" of board and find folks discussing random things. We're people. We're gonna get off topic and we're gonna chill and discuss stuff that's on our minds. I think we take stuff a little seriously when we say "Objection, relevance." "Sustained, it's a porn board."

The earths crust won't shatter like an egg shell if we mention religion or TV shows or lawn mower decks on Literotica. I actually just asked Jesus and he said it was alright as long as we got our Halloween stories done on time. Then we went back to playing quarters and talking about his Cub Cadet and how they keep putting more plastic parts on equipment nowadays. No harm no foul.
 
lovecraft68 said:
I love the irony of a religious debate on a porn site.

Ah faith on god....I could go on, but I will leave it with the best analogy I have.

Belief in god is the equivalent to a wife in an abusive marriage.

The asshole does nothing for her, always disappoints her, hurts her repeatedly, but yet she continues to stay because she knows he "loves her"

And the real part of that analogy is when I say things to people like "and where is your god? why does he let all these things happen, all his children suffer?

They start babbling and I am reminded again of the battered spouse who as she sits there with a black eye makes excuses for her asshole husband and how he really does care.....

Why is it that back in the bible God was "involved"? he saved Daniel from the lions, he kept those three kids from burning in the fire, he brought down the walls of Jericho he laid the smack down on Pharaoh, he did all these things...

But today? Nothing, why is that?

because the bible is a bunch of made up stories, that's why.
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Youre puzzled because you dont know the optimal purpose God serves humans. Its like you curse speech because so many of us abuse it, all God does is remind we don't have to abuse and harm ourselves and others. And he wont stop you if youre determined to be Hitler or oppose Hitler.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Youre puzzled because you dont know the optimal purpose God serves humans. Its like you curse speech because so many of us abuse it, all God does is remind we don't have to abuse and harm ourselves and others. And he wont stop you if youre determined to be Hitler or oppose Hitler.
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The purpose of God and religion-other than to control the masses-is to make people feel better about life in general. To comfort them and make them think there is a better place awaiting them.

Religion is a crutch just like alcohol, drugs or any addiction.

People who know me and know that I do not believe in god say they feel sorry for me.

I feel the same about them.
 
lovecraft68 said:
The purpose of God and religion-other than to control the masses-is to make people feel better about life in general. To comfort them and make them think there is a better place awaiting them.

Religion is a crutch just like alcohol, drugs or any addiction.

People who know me and know that I do not believe in god say they feel sorry for me.

I feel the same about them.
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Really, LC?
 
lovecraft68 said:
I love the irony of a religious debate on a porn site.
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Not any more ironic than those of us that occasionally include something with religious overtones in one of our stories or have characters that go to church or pray. I enjoy pushing that envelope even further since I have gay characters expressing their spiritual side. (Yes, that noise you just heard was Pat Robertson's head imploding. :D )

In spite of what the far right fundies would like for the world to believe otherwise, God and sex are not mutually exclusive topics. Neither does the Bible shy away from passages that would rival things written here at Lit. The Book of Psalms and the Song of Solomon are both filled with erotic imagery that could as easily be found in stories here. Sometimes that imagery gets very graphic...take Ezekiel 23:19-21 for example:

"Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled."

As far as my personal faith, I don't wear it on my sleeve, but rest assured it is there and it is unmovable. :)
 
Please note: 'god' is a job title, not a proper name. Or is your lawyer named Lawyer?
 
Hypoxia said:
Please note: 'god' is a job title, not a proper name. Or is your lawyer named Lawyer?
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To newer more open minded religions you're right and that's how they see it.

To Christians? Nope God is God Jesus's pop and if you say otherwise you're burning in hell.
 
lovecraft68 said:
To newer more open minded religions you're right and that's how they see it.

To Christians? Nope God is God Jesus's pop and if you say otherwise you're burning in hell.
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You cant make the distinction tween Jesus and asshats can yuh? Jesus was likely the last person who'd condemn anyone for anything. Youre a sad little man.
 
Hypoxia said:
Please note: 'god' is a job title, not a proper name. Or is your lawyer named Lawyer?
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*I* consider it a proper name, so it gets capitalized. If you don't like that, then you will certainly hate this one which is also considered grammatically correct:

Last night I prayed to God after crawling in bed, and He answered me while I slept.
 
JKendallDane said:
*I* consider it a proper name, so it gets capitalized. If you don't like that, then you will certainly hate this one which is also considered grammatically correct:

Last night I prayed to God after crawling in bed, and He answered me while I slept.
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...Is it odd that I just snatched up a horror bunny from this?
 
JKendallDane said:
*I* consider it a proper name, so it gets capitalized. If you don't like that, then you will certainly hate this one which is also considered grammatically correct:

Last night I prayed to God after crawling in bed, and He answered me while I slept.
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In the original languages (Hebrew and Aramaic) the deity is not assigned a gender. Gendering {JHWH} was a Graeco-Roman heresy. Also, in those Semitic languages and Greek, the word translated as 'virgin' means un-married, not un-penetrated. All Mariolatry is based on mistranslation. And the word translated as 'witch' in "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is bettered rendered as 'poisoner', so all toxic polluters should be executed, yes?

But I digress. The three versions of the Decalogue (in Exodus 20, Exodus 34, and Deuteronomy 5) acknowledge the existence of other deities -- the line, "I am the lord thy god... thou shalt have no other gods before me" says jealously, "OK, there are other deities -- but you'd better stay away from them!" No, {JHWH} sure doesn't like competition. Pretty petty, eh?

So, having a pile of gods around but naming one 'God' is like having a passel of pooches and calling one 'Dog'. And calling a genderless deity 'he' is heresy. Alas, your sentence may be grammatically correct, but is theologically muddled.

BTW, "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, nor any likeness of any thing..." means everyone who paints, draws, photographs, sculpts etc is damned. Digicams and fonecams are satanic, yes?
 
Hypoxia said:
The three versions of the Decalogue (in Exodus 20, Exodus 34, and Deuteronomy 5) acknowledge the existence of other deities -- the line, "I am the lord thy god... thou shalt have no other gods before me" says jealously, "OK, there are other deities -- but you'd better stay away from them!" No, {JHWH} sure doesn't like competition. Pretty petty, eh?

So, having a pile of gods around but naming one 'God' is like having a passel of pooches and calling one 'Dog'. And calling a genderless deity 'he' is heresy. Alas, your sentence may be grammatically correct, but is theologically muddled.

BTW, "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, nor any likeness of any thing..." means everyone who paints, draws, photographs, sculpts etc is damned. Digicams and fonecams are satanic, yes?
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Some interesting personal interpretations you came up with there, Hypoxia.

I don't agree with them, but they are interesting in a (to borrow your words) theologically muddled sort of way. ;)
 
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