Gender Identity/ Sexual Orientation

Just wanna know how someone all mighty and high used to be gay/bisexual and sucked all the cocks and guzzled all the jizz or whatever back in his high falutin' heyday but then became "straight" is now pontificating from his snowflakey safe space to others on how a "conversion" could start.

Thass all. Jus' wanna know that. How, Sway?

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Bueller?
 
[I'm not responding to memes or poorly photoshopped photos - neither of those things have any actual content.]

Uh oh....don't want to see the real shit!!!

:rolleyes:

Better not come out from under your Salon rock it could challenge your world views.
 
You can no longer discriminate against someone on the basis of their gender identity - that's not the same as being forced to care about their lives.

Sorry but being forced to check my pronouns is being forced to care about their lives....their feelings.

Calling a man Sir isn't discrimination....even if he's in a dress.
 
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For you two to tell me that 3 out of 100 people suffer from this condition sounds a bit exaggerated. If you were to say 1 out of 1,000, that is more believable. To get to your 3% number, it seems that you have to pull in all sorts of behaviors including men who put on dresses as a fetish and a fetish only. I do not for a second think that the number of people who feel their gender is different from their sex is that high and what Silver's group is saying is that these are accepted, but unverifiable estimates. The issue is contaminated by Social Justice politics.

The challenge was to explain what rights are being violated. You offered nothing more than entities which have caved to the political pressure of activists.

Nor have you even tried to explain how hard-wired brains allow for Lesbians to stop being Lesbians anymore that you have shown any test, or scan, that can determine how a person will identify. Is counseling ever an option in your world? If white people identify as black, do we look the other way when they exercise their right to apply to scholarships set aside for minorities?

I have a new question for you. Is separate, but equal, the law of the land?

Another AJ mathfail...

.3% is NOT 3 out of 100, dumbass.
 
That's the point.

The silly argument turned out to be true.

That's the nature of mass movements; the goal is never achieved, the target just keeps getting sillier until people throw up their hands and allow everything in order to not become the targets of hate. They learn to accept the absurd as normal and then when people are rounded up and marched off they look the other way or fire up the band.



Is it not illegal to discriminate by sex (or race)? Why tolerate the idea that women have to use this bathroom and men have to use that bathroom as if they were white and black drinking fountains? If a baker must bake a cake for a gay wedding, then, in the name of civil rights should we end the idea of separate, but equal, when it comes to public bathrooms and showers thusly rendering the subject of "gender identification" moot. In that scenario, there is no unassailable victim.


Again, there is no proof that they "are" that gender. If bathrooms are designated for use by sex, then that implies that everyone use the bathroom of their sex. If, as a society, we decide we don't like that separation (with the caveat, that as pointed out previously, the name-calling and aspersion on the part of this mass movement prevents honest conversation and causes many simply to keep their mouths shut and go along to get along, my wife, who voted for Trump learned very quickly not to talk about any politics on social media; long-time friends turned into hostile enemies) then we need to end the separation, period, rather than create exceptions, especially when the mere claim can give the predatory white male (you know, campus rape, white privilege, yada, yada, yada) access to the women's bathroom.

I know, I know, this is when everyone jumps up to say how rare a thing like that is (despite the firm conviction that rape happens to what, three out of five women on campus, and this contradictory thinking is also the purview of a mass movement), but if it just prevents one rape or underage molestation, isn't it worth it?

;) ;)

Regarding the first bolded point - really? Where's your evidence for that? On that basis, we just shouldn't have any sort of movement for equality at all.

Re: the second bolded point - WTF would 'proof' of gender look like? Where your 'proof' that I'm a woman?

Thirdly ... you've sort of morphed the argument from trans rights to campus rape?
 
This story you've linked to is just silly, and very simplistically framed (unsurprisingly, given it's source). You're confusing 'who someone has sex with' with 'sexual identity'.

The 'cry for attention' argument is silly too. Of course, you'll be able to find a few examples to demonstrate that point. But the vast majority of trans people are just living their lives, watching Netflix, going to work in the morning, making dinner for their partner, taking the dogs for a walk ...

And finally, even if some people do 'choose' their gender (whatever that actually means) - so what? What does it matter? Are they going to be worse at making your coffee because they decided to wear a frock that morning?

If gay can be a choice, I ask you,

http://www.zergnet.com/news/1897336/straight-celebrities-whove-been-in-gay-relationships

Why can't gender be a choice, a cry for attention, a plea for help???
 
Where does it say you're being 'forced to check your pronouns'?

You're just repeating points with no evidence. Repeating stuff doesn't make it 'right'; it just makes it repeated.
If that's how you feel, then fine, whatever - it seems a bit sad and silly, and I think getting all wound up about 'caring' about someone whose doing absolutely nothing to you is a bit odd, but you're entitled to feel however you want about something.
But don't state it as unassailable 'fact', because until you can demonstrate that this actually is the case (rather than just something you feel/say), it's not fact.

So to summarise: where does the article you linked to (or anything else for a similarly reliable source) say anyone is being forced to 'check their pronouns'.
I'm also still awaiting evidence of the tidal wave of trans 'propaganda'.



Sorry but being forced to check my pronouns is being forced to care about their lives....their feelings.

Calling a man Sir isn't discrimination....even if he's in a dress.
 
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Where does it say you're being 'forced to check your pronouns'?

It doesn't, it shows the social justice lefts desire to do so here in the US like it is being done in other socialist shit holes like the UK and Canada.

So to summarise: where does the article you linked to (or anything else for a similarly reliable source) say anyone is being forced to 'check their pronouns'.

Do you not understand what hate speech laws are intended to do?

I'm also still awaiting evidence of the tidal wave of trans 'propaganda'.

Well considering that would require you to take your blinders off I'm betting you'll be waiting some time. ;)

lmao - in what universe is any of that 'real shit'?

The one you live in....:)
 
It doesn't, it shows the social justice lefts desire to do so here in the US like it is being done in other socialist shit holes like the UK and Canada.



Do you not understand what hate speech laws are intended to do?



Well considering that would require you to take your blinders off I'm betting you'll be waiting some time. ;)



The one you live in....:)

You're clearly incapable of conducting an argument based on coherence and logic. I give up. Take that as a win if it brings some obviously much needed happiness to your life - it really makes no difference to me.
 
You're clearly incapable of conducting an argument based on coherence and logic.


Hard to do with someone who lives in a fantasy world and can't think beyond what is spoon fed to them.


I give up.

You should, you wouldn't be doing yourself any favors by keeping the smug idiot act up.

Take that as a win if it brings some obviously much needed happiness to your life - it really makes no difference to me.

Winning only occurs if I get paid, lit is just a way for me to pass time.

You don't have to be a social justice idiot to be happy.
 
Hard to do with someone who lives in a fantasy world and can't think beyond what is spoon fed to them.




You should, you wouldn't be doing yourself any favors by keeping the smug idiot act up.



Winning only occurs if I get paid, lit is just a way for me to pass time.

You don't have to be a social justice idiot to be happy.

Lol - yet you're unable to come up with any evidence that my 'fantasy world ' is wrong. It must be quite frustrating that you can't increase the volume of your repeated unsupported statements - reputation + volume is usually the sure fire means of being 'right' in this particular approach.

I don't think any sane person reading this exchange would think you've proved anything at all.
 
I'll bite... what are hate speech laws intended to do?

Give the government control over speech.

Lol - yet you're unable to come up with any evidence that my 'fantasy world ' is wrong.

You're inability to read, or think for that matter, isn't a lack of support for my statements.

I don't think any sane person reading this exchange would think you've proved anything at all.

I didn't have to, you did most of it for me. :cool:
 
How do anti-hate crime laws give the government control over speech?

They can throw you in prison for saying things some people might not like.

That is government control, regulation, over speech.

Anti-free speech.

Obviously you're talking about what the laws are in Germany, and other right-leaning countries, correct?

You think Germany is right leaning.....LMFAO!!!

There is nothing right-leaning about anti-free speech laws and it's not the right wing who's pushing for them.

Here is a young Berkeley leftist here in the USA expressing their desire for the same.
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They can throw you in prison for saying things some people might not like.

That is government control, regulation, over speech.

Anti-free speech.



You think Germany is right leaning.....LMFAO!!!

There is nothing right-leaning about anti-free speech laws and it's not the right wing who's pushing for them.

Here is a young Berkeley leftist here in the USA expressing their desire for the same.
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That's a picture of a government official???

:rolleyes:

You conflate stuff a lot. I hope you realize that.
 
Did I say it was?

Your affinity for ascription isn't conflation on my part.

Your argument is that hate crime legislation is led for a push for government control over speech, but then you post a picture of a random protester burning a sign that says "free speech" on it... and that proves your argument how exactly?
 
Your argument is that hate crime legislation is led for a push for government control over speech,

Close!! It's that anti-hate speech legislation is government control over speech.

That's not an argument that's an established, verifiable fact.


but then you post a picture of a random protester burning a sign that says "free speech" on it... and that proves your argument how exactly?

It doesn't prove your ascription at all.

If you go back and read what I posted you'll see that my argument was.

"There is nothing right-leaning about anti-free speech laws and it's not the right wing who's pushing for them."


And that picture of the anti-free speech leftist at Berkeley helps support that.

"Here is a young Berkeley leftist here in the USA expressing their desire for the same." *same referencing the anti-free speech laws pushed in and allowed in countries like Germany*
 
I did a bit of research on this image, just out of curiousity. Mostly because I'm immediately suspicious of any internet-sourced image that has as it's focus a white space with words on it. But this one does seem legit.

The person you label as 'leftist' is, it seems, at the antifa end of the spectrum. So yes, towards the left. Extreme militant left. (The placard also wasn't one he made himself, but taken from right ralliers ... so it would be possible to argue that he is indeed protesting the use of 'free speech' to defend was often amounts to hate speech - but I'm not making that argument, just pointing to the potential so don't get your knickers in twist about me 'saying' that - I'm paraphrasing an argument that comes from the left, not making that argument myself. [In spite of all that, I'm sure you'll choose that as the precise and only point you engage with ... and then accuse me of not being able to read.])

This then veers into the territory of arguing with LJ_Reloaded about feminism. 'The left', like feminism, is not a monolithic political movement, but rather a group of different approaches to politics, social action, etc that come from a left perspective. Hence, it's tricky to use the actions of one representative of one group within that collection as evidence of the perspectives of the entire collection. It would sort of be like saying the 'Unite the Right' protestors in Charlottesville represent the views of all the right, which I'm sure isn't the case. (Well, I really hope it's not the case anyway.)

So the moral here is that it pays to research your 'evidence' before you go throwing it around.

They can throw you in prison for saying things some people might not like.

That is government control, regulation, over speech.

Anti-free speech.



You think Germany is right leaning.....LMFAO!!!

There is nothing right-leaning about anti-free speech laws and it's not the right wing who's pushing for them.

Here is a young Berkeley leftist here in the USA expressing their desire for the same.
27zxfvf0w1ky.jpg
 
Regarding the first bolded point - really? Where's your evidence for that? On that basis, we just shouldn't have any sort of movement for equality at all.

Re: the second bolded point - WTF would 'proof' of gender look like? Where your 'proof' that I'm a woman?

Thirdly ... you've sort of morphed the argument from trans rights to campus rape?

Where does the movement end? The Civil Rights movement devolved into a political racialism that continues to divide and pit Americans against each other; it's no longer about true equality, but a hyper equality. Same goes for this issue. It's no longer about equality, but dividing for a perceived political benefit. The only goal here is to intimidate, there is no reason, no give and take, just demands backed by the threat that standing in the way of the demands will result in massive, un-proportional retaliation.

My proof that you are a woman is in your DNA. I've been repeatedly lectured on how gender is hard-wired in the brain (as we all were when it came to homosexuality, but is easily proven not to be an actual fact by all of the people slide in and out of homosexuality with ease), so show me the hard wiring. Show me the test, the scan, the proof that it is "hardwired," i.e., demonstrate the ability to definitively determine what gender identity an infant possesses.

Not really. I'm using it show the proclivity of the Left to hold conflicting ideas comfortably compartmentalized. The Left fully believes and is always lecturing us on the predatory nature of the male, and has made a very big issue of campus rape in its war against maleness, but if you express any concern that a male predator would use this issue to gain access to victims then we are assured that this just doesn't/won't happen, it would be too rare an event to be of any concern in this debate.

Now what is it? Are men (in this case, educated) predators who rape at alarming rates or is rape actually a very rare thing?
 
Where does the movement end? The Civil Rights movement devolved into a political racialism that continues to divide and pit Americans against each other; it's no longer about true equality, but a hyper equality. Same goes for this issue. It's no longer about equality, but dividing for a perceived political benefit. The only goal here is to intimidate, there is no reason, no give and take, just demands backed by the threat that standing in the way of the demands will result in massive, un-proportional retaliation.

My proof that you are a woman is in your DNA. I've been repeatedly lectured on how gender is hard-wired in the brain (as we all were when it came to homosexuality, but is easily proven not to be an actual fact by all of the people slide in and out of homosexuality with ease), so show me the hard wiring. Show me the test, the scan, the proof that it is "hardwired," i.e., demonstrate the ability to definitively determine what gender identity an infant possesses.

Not really. I'm using it show the proclivity of the Left to hold conflicting ideas comfortably compartmentalized. The Left fully believes and is always lecturing us on the predatory nature of the male, and has made a very big issue of campus rape in its war against maleness, but if you express any concern that a male predator would use this issue to gain access to victims then we are assured that this just doesn't/won't happen, it would be too rare an event to be of any concern in this debate.

Now what is it? Are men (in this case, educated) predators who rape at alarming rates or is rape actually a very rare thing?

How does gender equality make you any less of a man?

Is your masculinity that fragile that you can't handle someone who isn't exactly like you in the bathroom stall next to you?

I thought you were for individuality? Or are you actually for collectivism?
 
I don't really agree with any of that, but I doubt any evidence I produced to the contrary would change your mind, and I'm still struggling to really understand your last point re: campus rape. I guess this is something specific to the US, like the argument about the divisions created by ethnic politics.

(I would point out that you can't actually see my DNA, but you'd still merrily accept that I'm a woman. And trust me, I know people with the 'wrong' DNA you'd do the same with.)

I do think you're over-generalising on a lot of these points though. Society generally isn't quite so black & white.

Where does the movement end? The Civil Rights movement devolved into a political racialism that continues to divide and pit Americans against each other; it's no longer about true equality, but a hyper equality. Same goes for this issue. It's no longer about equality, but dividing for a perceived political benefit. The only goal here is to intimidate, there is no reason, no give and take, just demands backed by the threat that standing in the way of the demands will result in massive, un-proportional retaliation.

My proof that you are a woman is in your DNA. I've been repeatedly lectured on how gender is hard-wired in the brain (as we all were when it came to homosexuality, but is easily proven not to be an actual fact by all of the people slide in and out of homosexuality with ease), so show me the hard wiring. Show me the test, the scan, the proof that it is "hardwired," i.e., demonstrate the ability to definitively determine what gender identity an infant possesses.

Not really. I'm using it show the proclivity of the Left to hold conflicting ideas comfortably compartmentalized. The Left fully believes and is always lecturing us on the predatory nature of the male, and has made a very big issue of campus rape in its war against maleness, but if you express any concern that a male predator would use this issue to gain access to victims then we are assured that this just doesn't/won't happen, it would be too rare an event to be of any concern in this debate.

Now what is it? Are men (in this case, educated) predators who rape at alarming rates or is rape actually a very rare thing?
 
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