Gun control ... actual question

No, I did nothing of the sort. I'm talking about who you are now, and how you choose to defend yourself or not defend yourself, and what you're telling other people they should or should not do in regards to firearms. You aren't obligated to defend yourself with deadly force... but you're also have no right to tell others that they can't defend themselves.

Can you link to a post where anyone said it would be wrong to shoot someone who is trying to rape another person? I may have overlooked that tidbit.
 
No, I did nothing of the sort. I'm talking about who you are now, and how you choose to defend yourself or not defend yourself, and what you're telling other people they should or should not do in regards to firearms. You aren't obligated to defend yourself with deadly force... but you're also have no right to tell others that they can't defend themselves.

I do, however, have the right to protect a situation in which my hypothetical attackers are exponentially less likely to themselves be armed, and hence my safety (and, I believe, the safety of others) is improved. There is no actual evidence to support either position, and both of us are consequently basing our position largely on personal experience. In my personal experience, not having high levels of gun ownership has made me safer. In your personal experience (I think - I may be misremembering here), high levels of gun ownership make you safer. Neither of us are likely to back down on that argument.

You brought stats into the debate. I simply pointed out that the stats are woefully inconclusive either way.

And finally, to requote you "Keeping a gun on your person stops rape. [No real evidence to support this statement, but whatever.] If you're comfortable with that, don't carry a gun. However, not everyone wants to be a victim."
Substitute 'carry a gun' with 'not be on the streets after dark' or 'dressing appropriately', and see how that works.
(I was walking home alone late at night, and probably was wearing a short skirt, as well as being unarmed ... so there you, it's a trifecta. What could I possibly expect.)
 
If you want to convince me of your argument, provide me with the list of studies that support the various statements you've made. I'm particularly interested in the one that found that simply having more guns in society makes men less inclined to rape. (I'm not sure if this is just stranger-rape or includes date/spousal/etc rape, but I'd be interested either way.) I'd also be interested in evidence of actual incidents in which women successfully used a gun to prevent rape ... and, of course, in the interests of balance, incidents in which having a gun didn't help them at all, including those where the attacker was armed. I'm perfectly prepared to be convinced that my argument is weak, but not on the basis of your 'hunches'.
 
Can you link to a post where anyone said it would be wrong to shoot someone who is trying to rape another person? I may have overlooked that tidbit.

You said you don't think people should be armed not even for self defense reasons.......guns are for safes and hunting remember!

Your meat clubs are enough and fuck everyone else remember???

LOL what a fuckin' twat.
 
You said you don't think people should be armed not even for self defense reasons.......guns are for safes and hunting remember!

Your meat clubs are enough and fuck everyone else remember???

LOL what a fuckin' twat.

If you never feel safe without a gun on you, try hitting the gym for a couple years or so and stop spending so much time in this board spreading your idiocy.

:rolleyes:
 
If you want to convince me of your argument, provide me with the list of studies that support the various statements you've made. I'm particularly interested in the one that found that simply having more guns in society makes men less inclined to rape. (I'm not sure if this is just stranger-rape or includes date/spousal/etc rape, but I'd be interested either way.) I'd also be interested in evidence of actual incidents in which women successfully used a gun to prevent rape ... and, of course, in the interests of balance, incidents in which having a gun didn't help them at all, including those where the attacker was armed. I'm perfectly prepared to be convinced that my argument is weak, but not on the basis of your 'hunches'.

Studies are about averages.

Society wide trends.

None of them are going to tell you that a gun would be useful in defending yourself because it's totally situational and largely dependent upon the user as to it's effectivness.

You might be one of those fucking morons in the movies that leaves the gun when their attacker drops it in RIGHT front of them giving them the perfect opportunity to kill that mother fucker but they choose to run away and cry instead....because fewwings.

Doesn't matter if it was an AK47, arguably one of the single deadliest tools ever created in the history of man kind, if you can't or won't pick it up and use it it's fucking worthless.


If you only interview Army Rangers however, guns are extremely mother fuckin' effective tools. They have no problem picking up an AK and killing mother fuckers all day with it.
 
If you never feel safe without a gun on you, try hitting the gym for a couple years or so and stop spending so much time in this board spreading your idiocy.

:rolleyes:

More macho stupidity.

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Again....Guns > fists.

That's why all the politicians who have told you that you don't need guns because they are just so SCARY!!! protect themselves with guns.
 
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More macho stupidity.

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Again....Guns > fists.

That's why all the politicians who have told you that you don't need guns because they are just so SCARY!!! protect themselves with guns.

Another example of the idiocy I mentioned.

I've been an hunter and owned guns most of my life. Your argument is ridiculous.

According to your bullshit.. you're a 6'2' 230 (?) pound baddass from the Army, yet you need a gun to protect yourself from the meth heads around you. You, the one that trashed the city of Detroit, the one you know absolutely dick about. The one I walked in to the new Red Wings arena every morning and evening for over 16 months up til last week... with no gun. I wasn't even accosted. Ever. You live in Shangri fuckin la Californey but you aren't even safe, even someone as monstrous as you and experienced in such hand to hand combat.. and if I read right, you are the largest Asian in the world at the moment.. and you make MILLIONS of dollars a year selling bullshit.. Why don't you live in a gated community?


You are a bot or my megalomaniac diagnosis is dead on.
 
I think the 2nd amendment should just be removed all together.... its not made for the 21st century

The Bill of Rights is based in Natural law, not on man-made law. The premise of repealing it holds the same prospects as repealing the Law of gravity.... both created by God, and unalienable to man.
 
The Bill of Rights is based in Natural law, not on man-made law. The premise of repealing it holds the same prospects as repealing the Law of gravity.... both created by God, and unalienable to man.

Glad I'm a woman then. I get to avoid ridiculous concepts like 'natural law'.

PS We had the whole natural rights debate about 15 pages back.
 
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You said you don't think people should be armed not even for self defense reasons.......guns are for safes and hunting remember!

Your meat clubs are enough and fuck everyone else remember???

LOL what a fuckin' twat.

Bullshit. Never said anything like that. Learn to read.
Show me where I said " not even for self defense.
 
Bullshit. Never said anything like that. Learn to read.
Show me where I said " not even for self defense.

You were opposed to carrying. How can you use one in self-defense if it is left at home? Not everyone can find a convenient, big, strong, armed security guard to run and hide behind when solicited for help by a black woman half their size.
 
It's a very clear position as I have spelled it out, literally. Guns at home or hunting is fine. If you feel the need to be armed to go to the store you need to live in a better neighborhood. It's all so confusing.

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Bullshit. Never said anything like that. Learn to read.

Right here.

It's a very clear position as I have spelled it out, literally. Guns at home or hunting is fine. If you feel the need to be armed to go to the store you need to live in a better neighborhood. It's all so confusing.


Then you spent a couple pages deflecting and name calling when asked if you believe people have the right to defend themselves or not.

Making your positions on the subject rather vague but leaning heavily towards the anti-gun and anti-self defense position.
 
I've been an hunter and owned guns most of my life.

So have I, that's really an irrelevant point.

Your argument is ridiculous.


If that's true (I'm betting you don't even know what my argument is) then why do all police, military and security forces including those that protect all the anti-gun celebrities and politicians you apparently agree with...... rely on and regularly use firearms to great effect? :confused:

According to your bullshit.. you're a 6'2' 230 (?) pound baddass from the Army, yet you need a gun to protect yourself from the meth heads around you.

6'4"...and don't need but prefer because it's the most effective tool for the job available.

Kinda like I don't need a thousand dollar chain saw to cut down trees and clear land.....but I prefer it because it's a much better tool than an axe is.


You, the one that trashed the city of Detroit, the one you know absolutely dick about. The one I walked in to the new Red Wings arena every morning and evening for over 16 months up til last week... with no gun. I wasn't even accosted. Ever. You live in Shangri fuckin la Californey but you aren't even safe, even someone as monstrous as you and experienced in such hand to hand combat.. and if I read right, you are the largest Asian in the world at the moment.. and you make MILLIONS of dollars a year selling bullshit..

LOL I know nothing about it just like I'm not retired from the military right?

I'm not even the largest Asian unless you're a bigot and more like hundreds of thousands a year but sure why not just make some more shit up while you're at it.

Why don't you live in a gated community?

Same reason I didn't like High School, I'm not desperate to sit at the cool kids table....you couldn't pay me to live in a fancy prison filled with a bunch of 2 faced shit head neighbors that call themselves a "community" lol.

You are a bot or my megalomaniac diagnosis is dead on.

No, you're just full of shit, can't read and are so fucking pathetic you think being self employed and middle class = megalomania.
 
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Ho lee fuk.

One last time.

I believe competent people should be allowed to own guns for hunting and protecting their castle.

I do not support people walking around town with guns. That does not mean that I don't think people should be able to defend themselves. :rolleyes: There are many ways to thwart an attacker without the use of a gun. Being the big smart bois that you are, I'm sure I don't need to make a list. Some of the options may not be as lethal as whipping out the ole six shooter and saving the day, but if it stops the attack, it worked.

I know scared little snowflakes like yourselves can't comprehend not being afraid to be outside without carrying a gun. So come on al qaeda, come and git me when I go to the store!! That goes for all you rapists out there too, if you really want the best shot at a successful raping, get me when I take the kids to kickboxing. Crackheads need a few extra bucks? I usually carry a few hundred dollars on me, I'm ripe for the picking.

Now carry on with your paranoid tough guy talk. I don't care if it doesn't make sense to you, mainly because you're both idiots who always have to be right and always knows what's best for everyone else. You guys could be a sitcom, the PTSD grunt who suffered massive head trauma, shacks up with the pint sized, panty sniffing, desert tranny to fight crime and try to convince people that they are making an argument that they really aren't. The rest of the episode would be you guys walking around town, sniffing your own farts, feeling like you had a purpose, maybe even stop a rape or 2 if you count the times you stop queefy. Could be a good one.
 
Ho lee fuk.

For the very first time.

I believe competent people should be allowed to own guns for hunting and protecting their castle.

FYPYW.

I do not support people walking around town with guns. That does not mean that I don't think people should be able to defend themselves. :rolleyes:

It does mean you think their ability to defend themselves should be impaired though.
 
I could understand the obsession with those on the you don't need a gun wagon if removing guns would eliminate all violent crime. Some people own guns for a defense need, others to hunt, other to participate in competitive shooting sports.

As Botany Boy pointed out, its the smartest choice for individual protection. Why is that so difficult to understand? You don't want a gun, don't buy one but you don't get to decide for other people.
 
So be it. I'm obviously socialist scum.

You advocate government ownership/control over the means of production and distribution of goods and services?

Not shocking, but I don't see how your economic views are relevant to the discussion.
 
UK Gun Law

At risk of alienating myself on lit I would like to ask the question, who doesn’t North American adopt a similar approach to gun law as we have in the UK?

We still have access to guns, we can still keep them in our home. However they need to be locked in a safe, registered with the local authorities and you need a really good reason to have one. Oh and you would never need a semi automatic assault rife because you just don’t and that’s a conversation I’m not even going to entertain.

Every country in the world is still feeling the effect of recession we are all looking for new and innovative ways of creating work to revive the economy. Think of the jobs and industry that would be created if America licensed firearms in a similar way to the UK.

I concede my opinion may be contrived, but we don’t have the same problems in the UK and everyone who has a good reason to own a firearm has one and we have some of the best shooters in the world.
 
So have I, that's really an irrelevant point.




If that's true (I'm betting you don't even know what my argument is) then why do all police, military and security forces including those that protect all the anti-gun celebrities and politicians you apparently agree with...... rely on and regularly use firearms to great effect? :confused:



6'4"...and don't need but prefer because it's the most effective tool for the job available.

Kinda like I don't need a thousand dollar chain saw to cut down trees and clear land.....but I prefer it because it's a much better tool than an axe is.




LOL I know nothing about it just like I'm not retired from the military right?

I'm not even the largest Asian unless you're a bigot and more like hundreds of thousands a year but sure why not just make some more shit up while you're at it.



Same reason I didn't like High School, I'm not desperate to sit at the cool kids table....you couldn't pay me to live in a fancy prison filled with a bunch of 2 faced shit head neighbors that call themselves a "community" lol.



No, you're just full of shit, can't read and are so fucking pathetic you think being self employed and middle class = megalomania.

I work with a guy that's just like you. He talks allllllllllllll the time.. And it's always crap. He'll argue to the death over trivial things if you let him suck you into it.. His stories always have to be better than yours, even if it's plainly obvious they're made up. He lies, tries to bullshit people with his nonsense and has the commitment to continue on even after everyone realizes what a moron he is.

His name is John.. That's who you are. There's nothing fully truthful about you. I call bullshit on you, your little picture regarding retirement notwithstanding.

What a sad little life you live, John.
 
At risk of alienating myself on lit I would like to ask the question, who doesn’t North American adopt a similar approach to gun law as we have in the UK?

We still have access to guns, we can still keep them in our home. However they need to be locked in a safe, registered with the local authorities and you need a really good reason to have one. Oh and you would never need a semi automatic assault rife because you just don’t and that’s a conversation I’m not even going to entertain.

Every country in the world is still feeling the effect of recession we are all looking for new and innovative ways of creating work to revive the economy. Think of the jobs and industry that would be created if America licensed firearms in a similar way to the UK.

I concede my opinion may be contrived, but we don’t have the same problems in the UK and everyone who has a good reason to own a firearm has one and we have some of the best shooters in the world.

Regarding your economic stimulus plan- why not just hire people to break windows hire people to fix windows and have a government bureaucracy to administer that and to record the breakages and repairs?

There was a local glass company that was hired to fix broken windows on school buses and they had a huge economic boom when someone for the company went to a yard where they park the buses at night and broke a bunch of windows. That guy is a true patriot! It resulted in great stimulus for the glass company and their employees.
 
I work with a guy that's just like you. He talks allllllllllllll the time.. And it's always crap. He'll argue to the death over trivial things if you let him suck you into it.. His stories always have to be better than yours, even if it's plainly obvious they're made up. He lies, tries to bullshit people with his nonsense and has the commitment to continue on even after everyone realizes what a moron he is.

His name is John.. That's who you are. There's nothing fully truthful about you. I call bullshit on you, your little picture regarding retirement notwithstanding.

What a sad little life you live, John.

Look at all that hot air.....no substance.

That's what you do when you don't have any argument and just want to talk shit because you're fuckin' WRONG.

Typical Detroit. :cool:
 
At risk of alienating myself on lit I would like to ask the question, who doesn’t North American adopt a similar approach to gun law as we have in the UK?

Different political ideologies.

In the USA we as a society traditionally hold the right to defend oneself, family and property one of the most basic of rights.

Though some of us, more and more are starting to think like you......only elites should be secure.

Oh and you would never need a semi automatic assault rife because you just don’t and that’s a conversation I’m not even going to entertain.

You do realize "assault rifles" are still just semi-auto rifles right?

They just look scarier than pee-paws version with wood, they aren't a damn bit different in firepower.

Probably won't talk about it because you bought into the idea that a plastic stock makes the weapon more/less dangerous and can't defend it with anything approaching a rational argument.

We still have access to guns, we can still keep them in our home. However they need to be locked in a safe, registered with the local authorities and you need a really good reason to have one. Oh and you would never need a semi automatic assault rife because you just don’t and that’s a conversation I’m not even going to entertain.


However they need to be kept useless, and very restricted.

Lot of good that shit will do eh?

I concede my opinion may be contrived, but we don’t have the same problems in the UK and everyone who has a good reason to own a firearm has one and we have some of the best shooters in the world.

You have no violent crime in the UK? :confused:

Wow.....that's news to me.
 
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