When did The Division begin?

[BotanyBoy]

There's the divide: the moving-forwards (in productive coastal states) vs the left-behinds (in unproductive welfare states). Localism has been swamped by the national flood. The left-behinds are ripe targets for the lies unleashed by media deregulation. Watch Faux and listen to Rush if you ain't going nowhere.

More like the leftist in major metro areas, and the rest of the country who still wants to be the USA, not the USSA.

But the control freaks in the major metro areas can't stand the idea of not fucking with every waking moment of the rural persons life. The very notion of personal liberty makes people like you break out in fuckin' hives and cold sweats.

That is the meat of the division.....the people who want the government controlling everything right down to everyone's very thoughts, and those who want to be left alone.

 

[snugglestruggle]

On another thread, someone mentioned the current division in US society going back to one of the Bushes. I'm not so sure. I think that division led to Bush II and escalated from there.

Personally, I would take it back to Johnson. That was where the escalation in SE Asia began sparking all the anti-war protests and sentiment. That led to the Establishment and the Long Haired Hippy Freaks going at each other. I'm not really sure anything in politics has changed much for the better since then.

That was probably me. I think everything began to change at the core once Bush 41 became president IMO. As I recall that's when started noticing wedge politics rearing it's ugly head.

More like the leftist in major metro areas, and the rest of the country who still wants to be the USA, not the USSA.

But the control freaks in the major metro areas can't stand the idea of not fucking with every waking moment of the rural persons life. The very notion of personal liberty makes people like you break out in fuckin' hives and cold sweats.

That is the meat of the division.....the people who want the government controlling everything right down to everyone's very thoughts, and those who want to be left alone.

True enough but who's control freaks? Left, right, globalists? All of the above?

 

[jaF0]

That is the meat of the division.....the people who want the government controlling everything right down to everyone's very thoughts [aka the (R)s], and those who want to be left alone [aka the (D)s].

Edited for clarification.

 

[RUlookingup]

The left will edit your responses for you Botany Boy. They like telling you what you ought to think. The jig is finally up. Msm has been controlled by these regressive communists since the 60s. They went too far (with obvious lies) and got Trump. He sits in their collective throats like a Spaceyian hunk of meat. I think they secretly enjoy gagging on it all.

 

[TJX]

Not sure exactly where it began, but one thing for sure Fox News and all the Right Wingnuts in the Media are to blame for how bad it is now.

And you lashing out at an entire group isn't part of the problem?

 

[BotanyBoy]

That was probably me. I think everything began to change at the core once Bush 41 became president IMO. As I recall that's when started noticing wedge politics rearing it's ugly head.



True enough but who's control freaks? Left, right, globalists? All of the above?

Socially, all of them have their own control agendas. From fucking to what kind of media or religion one is allowed to consume all the way to checking your pronouns.

Economically the far left is total control, old style Marxist-Leninist iron fisted socialism. Total state ownership and control over the means and distribution.

The far right is no government control free market capitalism, aka 'fuck you I got mine everyone for themselves!!!' ism.

With lots of "purple" if you will between the two.

Edited for clarification.

(R)'s aren't the only ones. To say otherwise is demonstrably WRONG. From banning hate speech, because control freak (D)'s want to control my pronoun usage, all the way to not being able to be an MD with my own practice making money for myself. Or even being an independent farmer or one of numerous types of merchants they disagree with.... (D)'s fucking hate that shit.

Just like (R)'s want to force Jesus into your life and lock up drug dealers that aren't corporate enough for their liking.

Different departments of course, they want THEIR interest free and the other teams HIGHLY regulated (into their pockets), but both parties have literally decades of anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, huge gubbmint control and anti-M'arican shit to their names.

So save your partisan idiocy for someone who's buying, you're not going to convince me that one party is actually better than the other after 40+ years of the same ol' buuuu shit from both.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Typical bunch of violent bullshit from Bitter Boy.

Socially, all of them have their own control agendas. From fucking to what kind of media or religion one is allowed to consume all the way to checking your pronouns.

Economically the far left is total control, old style Marxist-Leninist iron fisted socialism. Total state ownership and control over the means and distribution.

The far right is no government control free market capitalism, aka 'fuck you I got mine everyone for themselves!!!' ism.

With lots of "purple" if you will between the two.




(R)'s aren't the only ones. To say otherwise is demonstrably WRONG. From banning hate speech, because control freak (D)'s want to control my pronoun usage, all the way to not being able to be an MD with my own practice making money for myself. Or even being an independent farmer or one of numerous types of merchants they disagree with.... (D)'s fucking hate that shit.

Just like (R)'s want to force Jesus into your life and lock up drug dealers that aren't corporate enough for their liking.

Different departments of course, they want THEIR interest free and the other teams HIGHLY regulated (into their pockets), but both parties have literally decades of anti-capitalist, anti-freedom, huge gubbmint control and anti-M'arican shit to their names.

So save your partisan idiocy for someone who's buying, you're not going to convince me that one party is actually better than the other after 40+ years of the same ol' buuuu shit from both.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Typical bunch of violent bullshit from Bitter Boy.

Violent?

LOL.....

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Trying to control my adjectives?

Violent?

LOL.....

 

[JackLuis]

Here is one idea.
How the Vietnam war ended up giving us President Donald Trump

By the mid-1960s Americans had enjoyed nearly two decades of sustained prosperity and bullish consumption – “one of history’s great shopping sprees,” as one historian called it – and this overheated economy showed few signs of slowing down.

But then President Lyndon Johnson made a fateful decision.

Not wanting to reveal the extent of our involvement in Vietnam, and not wanting a debate in Congress over how to pay for it – which he feared would deprive his beloved Great Society of funding – he decided to conceal the cost of Vietnam by borrowing.

But the more Johnson pumped borrowed dollars into the war, the more it channeled investment and productivity into defense and away from the consumer economy. Soon consumer demand began to outstrip supply – and prices slowly began to rise.

Wages also rose with inflation, but for most workers they did so only annually – yet prices were increasing monthly. Mortgage rates were edging up as well. Americans still spent, but they did so nervously, worried about falling behind.

Knee jerk anti-communism put us on the road to Trump!

 

[Boxlicker101]

"The Division" has always been there and probably always will be. Do you remember hearing about the unpleasantries that occurred between 1861 and 1865?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trying to control my adjectives?

No, just laughing about your snowflake use of them.

Violent...LOL!~

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You're an ass. You have no knowledge of ACTUAL politics, you just like to spew your hate and misrepresentations on some personal vendetta.

Why don't you just go join the Bundys and start your own antigubmint commune for bitter social rejects.

No, just laughing about your snowflake use of them.

Violent...LOL!~

 

[Hypoxia]

"The Division" has always been there and probably always will be. Do you remember hearing about the unpleasantries that occurred between 1861 and 1865?

That unpleasantness was driven by southern feudal aristos anxious to retain power. Thanks to slavery, the South the richest part of the US... until the North built industry and communications. That 'division' was not between South and North in general -- many Appalachian mountaineers bitterly resented being used by lowlands slave-camp owners -- but between slave and free labor.

 

[Hypoxia]

Why don't you just go join the Bundys and start your own antigubmint commune for bitter social rejects.

Because he'd rather waste his life ranting on a forum that maybe a dozen post on and twice as many read. If he went out in public, more eyes would be watching him, evaluating him, judging his worthiness (or lack thereof) as a human being. Worse, out in public he might be ignored, and he HATES ignorance. Oy.

The iggy list is your friend. Be sure to get all the BinkyBoy alts.

 

[Boxlicker101]

That unpleasantness was driven by southern feudal aristos anxious to retain power. Thanks to slavery, the South the richest part of the US... until the North built industry and communications. That 'division' was not between South and North in general -- many Appalachian mountaineers bitterly resented being used by lowlands slave-camp owners -- but between slave and free labor.

Isn't this thread about divisions, and isn't that one example?

But it goes further than that. The Civil War was unpopular in the North and West also, for various reasons. Did you ever read abut the draft riots?

ETA: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-young/the-many-civil-war-draft-riots_b_3575732.html

 

[jaF0]

Isn't this thread about divisions, and isn't that one example?

Not that division. Not just any division,.

The Division that currently affects most daily lives in the US. There seem to be two schools of thought that may really be one. The Johnson Era and Big Mouth Fat Ass Lush Wimpaugh who seems to thrive on being the Establishment that rags on nearly everyone else.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

jmo but the Wing Nut Right seemed to be absolutely unable to cognitively process the Presidency of Bill Clinton. That's when they basically left America and decided there were two countries, their own and "the left's" that they have never accepted as legitimate. They declared war on the "left" and decided they'd rather shut down the government and start living in their own Fake News Propaganda Alt Reality Show, still spinning like a crazy top around Clinton.

They started these insane persecutions of the Clintons, refused to do anything, just obstruct, and took a dive towards the crazy evangelical right. Then when Obama came along McConnell made it clear from Day One they would never work with him, etc. They're still trying to erase Ocare like it never ever happened. In their minds his Presidency was a blight, an anomaly, never to be accepted.

THey don't mind the Russian interference; they'd rather accept Trump and the Russkies over their own American Democrats.

It's all them as far as I'm concerned. They have created all this.

They'll have a few years, a few last gasps, but it's old and decrepit, and they can't govern. They got NOTHIN' except anti-liberal insanity. The R's will die a slow death.

 

[Hypoxia]

jmo but the Wing Nut Right seemed to be absolutely unable to cognitively process the Presidency of Bill Clinton. That's when they basically left America and decided there were two countries, their own and "the left's" that they have never accepted as legitimate. They declared war on the "left" and decided they'd rather shut down the government and start living in their own Fake News Propaganda Alt Reality Show, still spinning like a crazy top around Clinton.

From Nixon's "Southern Strategy," to Reagan's "gov't is the problem" and killing the FCC's Fairness Doctrine, to the rise of Rush Limbo and the toxic team of Murdoch + Ailes soiling USA airwaves, Gups have mastered a sort of divide-and-conquer tactic. Or maybe it's dumb-down-and-conquer. Smart folk are harder to rule.

They'll have a few years, a few last gasps, but it's old and decrepit, and they can't govern. They got NOTHIN' except anti-liberal insanity. The R's will die a slow death.

Rumors say Mueller is looking at RNC and maybe DNC as RICOs for taking foreign money. Gups and Dums may both find themselves beheaded as private non-profits incorporated in Delaware. Beyond that, the Gup demographic is older, whiter, less educated, and going nowhere except down. Time is their enemy.

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

jmo but the Wing Nut Right seemed to be absolutely unable to cognitively process the Presidency of Bill Clinton. That's when they basically left America and decided there were two countries, their own and "the left's" that they have never accepted as legitimate. They declared war on the "left" and decided they'd rather shut down the government and start living in their own Fake News Propaganda Alt Reality Show, still spinning like a crazy top around Clinton.

They started these insane persecutions of the Clintons, refused to do anything, just obstruct, and took a dive towards the crazy evangelical right. Then when Obama came along McConnell made it clear from Day One they would never work with him, etc. They're still trying to erase Ocare like it never ever happened. In their minds his Presidency was a blight, an anomaly, never to be accepted.

THey don't mind the Russian interference; they'd rather accept Trump and the Russkies over their own American Democrats.

It's all them as far as I'm concerned. They have created all this.

They'll have a few years, a few last gasps, but it's old and decrepit, and they can't govern. They got NOTHIN' except anti-liberal insanity. The R's will die a slow death.

The only obstructionists I see is the current left. They have the resist movement, BLM, blocking free speech, and others supported by people like Soros.

I have never seen an outright resist movement by the right with billionaire funding. In fact, Obama was elected twice, thus disproving the racist environment you guys always argue. When you can't win, your go to argument is always "the race card". And Russian interference? That was Hillary's deflection of her loss. And it is shedding light on the real Russian crimes she and the dims, in fact, committed. How's that for poetic justice?

 

[phrodeau]

The only obstructionists I see is the current left. They have the resist movement, BLM, blocking free speech, and others supported by people like Soros.

I have never seen an outright resist movement by the right with billionaire funding. In fact, Obama was elected twice, thus disproving the racist environment you guys always argue. When you can't win, your go to argument is always "the race card". And Russian interference? That was Hillary's deflection of her loss. And it is shedding light on the real Russian crimes she and the dims, in fact, committed. How's that for poetic justice?

The ones winning elections now? Maybe the Russians aided them. Maybe now it's time to do something about Russian interference.

 

[KUJACK]

Rsrly

Cane and Abel

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're an ass. You have no knowledge of ACTUAL politics, you just like to spew your hate and misrepresentations on some personal vendetta.

Why don't you just go join the Bundys and start your own antigubmint commune for bitter social rejects.

I'm just not into the "fuck white people" and other "social justice" (racist against white, straight, cis, employed, males....aka Nazis!!) politics of the left. That's not the same as having no knowledge of "ACTUAL" politics. Speaking of no knowledge of "ACTUAL" politics, that's because I'm not an anarchist, I'm a liberal. Do you have any idea what that even means?

Ms. Know so much about politics? Further more.....why don't you keep to your uber-plex metro shit holes and quit trying to micromanage us folks out in the sticks?

It certainly would be easier if you and the other control freaks would just mind your own bidnizz.

Because he'd rather waste his life ranting on a forum that maybe a dozen post on and twice as many read. If he went out in public, more eyes would be watching him, evaluating him, judging his worthiness (or lack thereof) as a human being. Worse, out in public he might be ignored, and he HATES ignorance. Oy.

The iggy list is your friend. Be sure to get all the BinkyBoy alts.

I'm in public right now day day.

My worth as a human being is measured by the cash in my bank account....that money YOU so desperately want to take from me in the name of the common good of course. And you can't have it....neener neener boo boo...stick your dishonest and degenerate commie head in doo doo.

And please get the fuck out of California ASAP, you and your kind have ruined the state.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Actual as in what's actually happening in the present, not your idealized, abstract generalizations.

How did you feel about the way Trump threw the US under the bus in China?

Lol. You are truly paranoid and out of it. WHat makes you think anyone who lives in a city ever thinks about you? Pay attention to meeeeee

You complain that we just think of you as "flyover" and ignored you and said Fuck you who cares, and yet we ALSO "micromanage" and are up in every aspect of your lives. You wish, apparently

Jesus. All the rest of it is your insane ramblings.

I'm just not into the "fuck white people" and other "social justice" (racist against white, straight, cis, employed, males....aka Nazis!!) politics of the left. That's not the same as having no knowledge of "ACTUAL" politics. Speaking of no knowledge of "ACTUAL" politics, that's because I'm not an anarchist, I'm a liberal. Do you have any idea what that even means?

Ms. Know so much about politics? Further more.....why don't you keep to your uber-plex metro shit holes and quit trying to micromanage us folks out in the sticks?

It certainly would be easier if you and the other control freaks would just mind your own bidnizz.




I'm in public right now day day.

My worth as a human being is measured by the cash in my bank account....that money YOU so desperately want to take from me in the name of the common good of course. And you can't have it....neener neener boo boo...stick your dishonest and degenerate commie head in doo doo.

And please get the fuck out of California ASAP, you and your kind have ruined the state.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I blame Eye of Newt Gingrich and his seek end destroy anything democratic mission. He was the beginning of no compromise.