You won’t find men’s genitalia in quality literature

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A library colleague told me about this. Not amazed. Very much like the author's comments (I too find scrotum delicious.) - Gru :)
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Children’s Book Stirs Battle With Single Word

The word “scrotum” does not often appear in polite conversation. Or children’s literature, for that matter. Yet there it is on the first page of “The Higher Power of Lucky,” by Susan Patron, this year’s winner of the Newbery Medal, the most prestigious award in children’s literature. The book’s heroine, a scrappy 10-year-old orphan named Lucky Trimble, hears the word through a hole in a wall when another character says he saw a rattlesnake bite his dog, Roy, on the scrotum.

“Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.”

The inclusion of the word has shocked some school librarians, who have pledged to ban the book from elementary schools, and re-opened the debate over what constitutes acceptable content in children’s books. The controversy was first reported by Publishers Weekly, a trade magazine.

On electronic mailing lists like Librarian.net, dozens of literary blogs and pages on the social-networking site LiveJournal, teachers, authors and school librarians took sides over the book. Librarians from all over the country, including upstate New York; Missoula, Mont.; Portland, Ore.; and Central Pennsylvania weighed in, questioning the role of the librarian when selecting — or censoring, some argued — literature for children. “This book included what I call a Howard Stern-type shock treatment just to see how far they could push the envelope, but they didn’t have the children in mind,” Dana Nilsson, a teacher and librarian in Durango, Colo., wrote on LM_Net, a mailing list that reaches more than 16,000 school librarians. “How very sad.”

The book has already been banned from school libraries in a handful of states in the South, the West and the Northeast, and librarians in other schools have indicated in the online debate that they may well follow suit. Indeed, the topic has dominated the discussion among librarians since the book was shipped to schools .

Pat Scales, a former chairwoman of the Newbery Award committee, said that declining to stock the book in libraries was nothing short of censorship. “The people who are reacting to that word are not reading the book as a whole,” she said. “That’s what censors do — they pick out words and don’t look at the total merit of the book.”

If it were any other novel, it probably would have gone unnoticed, unordered and unread. But in the world of children’s books, winning a Newbery is the rough equivalent of being selected as an Oprah’s Book Club title. Libraries and bookstores routinely order two or more copies of each year’s winners, with the books read aloud to children and taught in classrooms.

“The Higher Power of Lucky” was first published in November by Atheneum/Richard Jackson Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, accompanied by a modest print run of 10,000. After the announcement of the Newbery on Jan. 22, the publisher quickly ordered another 100,000 copies, which arrived in bookstores, schools and libraries around Feb. 5.

Reached at her home in Los Angeles, Ms. Patron said she was stunned by the objections. The story of the rattlesnake bite, she said, was based on a true incident involving a friend’s dog. And one of the themes of the book is that Lucky is preparing herself to be a grown-up, Ms. Patron said. Learning about language and body parts, then, is very important to her. “The word is just so delicious,” Ms. Patron said. “The sound of the word to Lucky is so evocative. It’s one of those words that’s so interesting because of the sound of the word.”

Ms. Patron, who is a public librarian in Los Angeles, said the book was written for children 9 to 12 years old. But some librarians countered that since the heroine of “The Higher Power of Lucky” is 10, children older than that would not be interested in reading it. “I think it’s a good case of an author not realizing her audience,” said Frederick Muller, a librarian at Halsted Middle School in Newton, N.J. “If I were a third- or fourth-grade teacher, I wouldn’t want to have to explain that.”

Authors of children’s books sometimes sneak in a single touchy word or paragraph, leaving librarians to choose whether to ban an entire book over one offending phrase. In the case of “Lucky,” some of them take no chances. Wendy Stoll, a librarian at Smyrna Elementary in Louisville, Ky., wrote on the LM_Net mailing list that she would not stock the book. Andrea Koch, the librarian at French Road Elementary School in Brighton, N.Y., said she anticipated angry calls from parents if she ordered it. “I don’t think our teachers, or myself, want to do that vocabulary lesson,” she said in an interview. One librarian who responded to Ms. Nilsson’s posting on LM_Net said only: “Sad to say, I didn’t order it for either of my schools, based on ‘the word.’ ”

Booksellers, too, are watchful for racy content in books they endorse to customers. Carol Chittenden, the owner of Eight Cousins, a bookstore in Falmouth, Mass., said she once horrified a customer with “The Adventures of Blue Avenger” by Norma Howe, a novel aimed at junior high school students. “I remember one time showing the book to a grandmother and enthusing about it,” she said. “There’s a chapter in there that’s very funny and the word ‘condom’ comes up. And of course, she opens the book right to the page that said ‘condom.’ ”

It is not the first time school librarians have squirmed at a book’s content, of course. Some school officials have tried to ban Harry Potter books from schools, saying that they implicitly endorse witchcraft and Satanism. Young adult books by Judy Blume, though decades old, are routinely kept out of school libraries.

Ms. Nilsson, reached at Sunnyside Elementary School in Durango, Colo., said she had heard from dozens of librarians who agreed with her stance. “I don’t want to start an issue about censorship,” she said. “But you won’t find men’s genitalia in quality literature.”

“At least not for children,” she added.

February 18, 2007, NY Times, Julie Bosman
 
*le sigh*

It would be so nice if we could ever move past the point where librarians decide what can and can't be read.
 
It's culture not librarians.

I teach kids how to draw cartoons in my spare. They love to draw people's "thingies". I tell them not do it because I know how prudish the PTA can be. Nevertheless, they sure get a kick out of putting genitalia (i.e. sexual curiosity) to paper.
 
Yes. How dare children hear a medical and acceptabel word for part of the male anatomy. Far better they grow up ignorant and ashamed of their naked bodies.
Says more about the people banning the books than the one who wrote it, methinks. Prudes who probably cover their eyes before undressing themselves and were born with their legs crossed.

Heaven forfend a teacher should actually have to *teach* the children about basic biology.

God, everything is pissing me off today.
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Scrotum? LOL! Oh man....what is wrong with this society? Scrotum is like the high society of words available to use in writing about genitalia. LOL!

I've been going round with HallowedEve about how much I hate the word "cunt" and that there are just not many "lovely" words to describe genitalia at ALL in the English language that don't sound STUPID. It's either medical, smutt or silly mostly.

I really don't know what to do about it most of the time. I get very infuriated.
 
Grushenka said:
A library colleague told me about this. Not amazed. Very much like the author's comments (I too find scrotum delicious.) - Gru :)
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Children’s Book Stirs Battle With Single Word

The word “scrotum” does not often appear in polite conversation. Or children’s literature, for that matter. Yet there it is on the first page of “The Higher Power of Lucky,” by Susan Patron, this year’s winner of the Newbery Medal, the most prestigious award in children’s literature. The book’s heroine, a scrappy 10-year-old orphan named Lucky Trimble, hears the word through a hole in a wall when another character says he saw a rattlesnake bite his dog, Roy, on the scrotum.

“Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.”

The inclusion of the word has shocked some school librarians, who have pledged to ban the book from elementary schools, and re-opened the debate over what constitutes acceptable content in children’s books. The controversy was first reported by Publishers Weekly, a trade magazine.

On electronic mailing lists like Librarian.net, dozens of literary blogs and pages on the social-networking site LiveJournal, teachers, authors and school librarians took sides over the book. Librarians from all over the country, including upstate New York; Missoula, Mont.; Portland, Ore.; and Central Pennsylvania weighed in, questioning the role of the librarian when selecting — or censoring, some argued — literature for children. “This book included what I call a Howard Stern-type shock treatment just to see how far they could push the envelope, but they didn’t have the children in mind,” Dana Nilsson, a teacher and librarian in Durango, Colo., wrote on LM_Net, a mailing list that reaches more than 16,000 school librarians. “How very sad.”

The book has already been banned from school libraries in a handful of states in the South, the West and the Northeast, and librarians in other schools have indicated in the online debate that they may well follow suit. Indeed, the topic has dominated the discussion among librarians since the book was shipped to schools .

Pat Scales, a former chairwoman of the Newbery Award committee, said that declining to stock the book in libraries was nothing short of censorship. “The people who are reacting to that word are not reading the book as a whole,” she said. “That’s what censors do — they pick out words and don’t look at the total merit of the book.”

If it were any other novel, it probably would have gone unnoticed, unordered and unread. But in the world of children’s books, winning a Newbery is the rough equivalent of being selected as an Oprah’s Book Club title. Libraries and bookstores routinely order two or more copies of each year’s winners, with the books read aloud to children and taught in classrooms.

“The Higher Power of Lucky” was first published in November by Atheneum/Richard Jackson Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, accompanied by a modest print run of 10,000. After the announcement of the Newbery on Jan. 22, the publisher quickly ordered another 100,000 copies, which arrived in bookstores, schools and libraries around Feb. 5.

Reached at her home in Los Angeles, Ms. Patron said she was stunned by the objections. The story of the rattlesnake bite, she said, was based on a true incident involving a friend’s dog. And one of the themes of the book is that Lucky is preparing herself to be a grown-up, Ms. Patron said. Learning about language and body parts, then, is very important to her. “The word is just so delicious,” Ms. Patron said. “The sound of the word to Lucky is so evocative. It’s one of those words that’s so interesting because of the sound of the word.”

Ms. Patron, who is a public librarian in Los Angeles, said the book was written for children 9 to 12 years old. But some librarians countered that since the heroine of “The Higher Power of Lucky” is 10, children older than that would not be interested in reading it. “I think it’s a good case of an author not realizing her audience,” said Frederick Muller, a librarian at Halsted Middle School in Newton, N.J. “If I were a third- or fourth-grade teacher, I wouldn’t want to have to explain that.”

Authors of children’s books sometimes sneak in a single touchy word or paragraph, leaving librarians to choose whether to ban an entire book over one offending phrase. In the case of “Lucky,” some of them take no chances. Wendy Stoll, a librarian at Smyrna Elementary in Louisville, Ky., wrote on the LM_Net mailing list that she would not stock the book. Andrea Koch, the librarian at French Road Elementary School in Brighton, N.Y., said she anticipated angry calls from parents if she ordered it. “I don’t think our teachers, or myself, want to do that vocabulary lesson,” she said in an interview. One librarian who responded to Ms. Nilsson’s posting on LM_Net said only: “Sad to say, I didn’t order it for either of my schools, based on ‘the word.’ ”

Booksellers, too, are watchful for racy content in books they endorse to customers. Carol Chittenden, the owner of Eight Cousins, a bookstore in Falmouth, Mass., said she once horrified a customer with “The Adventures of Blue Avenger” by Norma Howe, a novel aimed at junior high school students. “I remember one time showing the book to a grandmother and enthusing about it,” she said. “There’s a chapter in there that’s very funny and the word ‘condom’ comes up. And of course, she opens the book right to the page that said ‘condom.’ ”

It is not the first time school librarians have squirmed at a book’s content, of course. Some school officials have tried to ban Harry Potter books from schools, saying that they implicitly endorse witchcraft and Satanism. Young adult books by Judy Blume, though decades old, are routinely kept out of school libraries.

Ms. Nilsson, reached at Sunnyside Elementary School in Durango, Colo., said she had heard from dozens of librarians who agreed with her stance. “I don’t want to start an issue about censorship,” she said. “But you won’t find men’s genitalia in quality literature.”

“At least not for children,” she added.

February 18, 2007, NY Times, Julie Bosman

Shakes head - and your opinion is?
 
I like the word scrotum. Groin is also quite fun. So is uvula.
 
jomar said:
I like the word scrotum. Groin is also quite fun. So is uvula.
*snicker* Quote from one of my favorite kid's movie, Monster House.

Jenny: [waves flashlight at chandelier] Look! That must be its uvula!
Chowder: Oh. So its a GIRL house
Jenny: What?


Bwa-ha-ha-ha
 
jomar said:
I like the word scrotum. Groin is also quite fun. So is uvula.

*giggles furiously* :D

"Uvula*...now there is a piece of the anatomy that is frequently written about in erotic literature......HAHAHA!!!
 
it's worth noting that the librarians and library associations (ALA) are generally on the side of the angels--for freedom, IOW-- in these matters of controversial content and censorship. it's the hick patrons and their hick pastors that are the problem.

:rose:
 
Pure said:
it's worth noting that the librarians and library associations (ALA) are generally on the side of the angels--for freedom, IOW-- in these matters of controversial content and censorship. it's the hick patrons and their hick pastors that are the problem.

:rose:

I don't doubt that, Pure. I was a bookseller and a dept manager for a couple years. But I know how much trouble the hick folks can cause because they are so "noisy" sometimes!
 
I've been thinking about this for a while. I believe I should write a children's book. Obviously the main character would be named Scrotum Johnson, eh?? :D :D :D
 
poppy1963 said:
I don't doubt that, Pure. I was a bookseller and a dept manager for a couple years. But I know how much trouble the hick folks can cause because they are so "noisy" sometimes!

I'd just tell them they were born naked and are naked under their clothes.

Then their heads would explode and I wouldn't have to deal with them anymore. :devil:
 
Jenny J: I like your idea and the chararcter name. I'm not good at writing for children (tried it, failed), but it'd be fun to think of other genitalic (just made that word up) names. ;)
 
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Grushenka said:
Jenny J: I like your idea and the chararcter name. I'm not good at writing for children (tried it, failed), but it'd be fun to think of other genitalic (just made that word up) names. ;)
Let me see....


Wendall BONER
Reggie FORESKIN
Oopsy COCKburn
Roger BIGONE
Martin HARDON
PeeWee DORK
Ruthaford PEANUS
Andy MEATMANN

The list goes on :D :D :D
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Let me see....


Wendall BONER
Reggie FORESKIN
Oopsy COCKburn
Roger BIGONE
Martin HARDON
PeeWee DORK
Ruthaford PEANUS
Andy MEATMANN

The list goes on :D :D :D

Don't forget Peter Cox
Dick Skinny
Slim Shafter
and, the classic . . .

Mike Hunt

As for women:
Twyla Lick
Elizabeth Zane (E.Z.) Rider
Leslie Lesman (known as Les-Les)
Regina Raw (first name rhymes with 'vagina')
and my favorite . . .

Muffy Diver
:)

p.s. damn, it's late . . . .
 
slyc_willie said:
Don't forget Peter Cox
Dick Skinny
Slim Shafter
and, the classic . . .

Mike Hunt

As for women:
Twyla Lick
Elizabeth Zane (E.Z.) Rider
Leslie Lesman (known as Les-Les)
Regina Raw (first name rhymes with 'vagina')
and my favorite . . .

Muffy Diver
:)

p.s. damn, it's late . . . .
Yep. I like Mike Hunt. Was that Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
 
elizabethwest said:
Yep. I like Mike Hunt. Was that Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

Not sure. From what I understand, it's an old bar joke. You call up some place at one in the morning and ask whoever answers (which would preferrably be female) if 'Mike Hunt' is there. Then you get the frat-boy chuckle of listening to her call out:

"I'm looking for Mike Hunt! Is Mike Hunt here? Anyone seen Mike Hunt?"

Oh, those juvenile days . . . ;)
 
elizabethwest said:
Yep. I like Mike Hunt. Was that Fast Times at Ridgemont High?
Porky's. Pee Wee did it to Wendy at the fast food place she worked at (right before Meat fell face first into the chilli :D ).
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Hmmm...

Twilla TWAT
Virgy POONTANG (sorta sounds like a real nice breakfast drink :D )
Wendy SNATCH
Rhonda SNAPPER

And so on ;)

That word just cracks me up. I've been thinking of a "first time" story where a lot of what goes on stems from the guy calling his girlfriend's virgin vagina a poontang.

As for the whole book censorship thing, when I started teaching, I remember sitting at my desk to write up my first set of lesson plans and thinking: How the hell am I supposed to teach literature without mentioning sex, religion, or politics?!
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
I've been thinking about this for a while. I believe I should write a children's book. Obviously the main character would be named Scrotum Johnson, eh?? :D :D :D

And his brother Smegma.
 
CeriseNoire said:
That word just cracks me up. I've been thinking of a "first time" story where a lot of what goes on stems from the guy calling his girlfriend's virgin vagina a poontang.

As for the whole book censorship thing, when I started teaching, I remember sitting at my desk to write up my first set of lesson plans and thinking: How the hell am I supposed to teach literature without mentioning sex, religion, or politics?!
I was lucky. I taught Science Fiction. There isn't any sex in that genre :D

I suppose that's why my stories tend to be sexless too.
 
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