You sure you were raped?...sure, no war on women's bodies, right

[badbabysitter]

first he implies that women might be fabricating sexual assaults to get abortions, then compares the fetuses to soldiers dying in Afghanistan


stay classy




http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/bois...e-winder-compares-abortion-us-war-casualties/


In his closing debate in favor of SB 1387, Sen. Chuck Winder, R-Boise, said, “This bill does not require a trans-vaginal exam. … It leaves that up to the patient and the physician to make that determination.” He said, “Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that's part of the counseling that goes on.”

Winder said, “I believe the state does have an interest in the life of the unborn. That's what the debate's about. Does it add cost? Yes, it does. I would just ask you to consider the pricelessness of the unborn.” He noted the Senate's recent commemoration of military members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past year. “Each person has a life story,” Winder said. “Those were cut short. Let's not choose to cut others short.”

 

[KRCummings]

To be fair he's not saying they should be asked if they are sure they got raped, he's saying they should be asked if they're sure the pregnancy is from the rape.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's all about protectin' babbies from their arbitrary whims of their birthing vessels.

 

[badbabysitter]

To be fair he's not saying they should be asked if they are sure they got raped, he's saying they should be asked if they're sure the pregnancy is from the rape.

It still implies that a doctor should always assume that a woman doesnt know what she's talking about

 

[busybody..]

first he implies that women might be fabricating sexual assaults to get abortions, then compares the fetuses to soldiers dying in Afghanistan



he is 100% right

 

[badbabysitter]

first he implies that women might be fabricating sexual assaults to get abortions, then compares the fetuses to soldiers dying in Afghanistan



he is 100% right

says the guy who will never get pregnant and thusly has no idea what the fuck he's babbling about

 

[boudicca_love]

says the guy who will never get pregnant and thusly has no idea what the fuck he's babbling about

/thread

 

[Lancecastor]

I rather like the term "trans vaginal"...sounds like a luxe passenger rail service.

 

[Liar]

I rather like the term "trans vaginal"...sounds like a luxe passenger rail service.

Or the sort of vagina that you can get when you had dangly bits to begin with.

 

[busybody..]

says the guy who will never get pregnant and thusly has no idea what the fuck he's babbling about

I dont smoke, yet I can say its wrong

I dont rape, yet I can say it wrong

I dont kill, yet I can say its wrong!

The GUY is 100% correct

 

[Lancecastor]

Or the sort of vagina that you can get when you had dangly bits to begin with.

Or the kind of vag that has delivered 12 kidlets and requires a Bus Pass to circumnavigate.

http://tourtoo.com/images/all/trans-siberia-tour-three-cities.jpg

 

[badbabysitter]

I dont smoke, yet I can say its wrong

I dont rape, yet I can say it wrong

I dont kill, yet I can say its wrong!

The GUY is 100% correct

smoking is a direct cause of cancer.. having an abortion is not


and you don't say killing is wrong.. in fact, you often encourage killing

so, the point still stands.. you're a guy that will never get pregnant..keep your morality out of my ovaries

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

It still implies that a doctor should always assume that a woman doesnt know what she's talking about

Jesus H Christ in a bucket, ya fem Nazi's want the government in your healthcare then you want them out of it.

With them in you have to take all the bureaucratic and political shit that comes with it, that's just the price you pay with gubbmint involvement.

With them out you have no support but you get whatever the fuck you want if you can get it.

I don't like it, I don't agree with it but that's the reality of the situation so in or out, piss or get off the pot, make up your fucking mind.

smoking is a direct cause of cancer.. having an abortion is not

Still the individuals choice to smoke or not....cancer is irrelevant, it's no one else's place to make that choice for them.

so, the point still stands.. you're a guy that will never get pregnant..keep the government out of my ovaries

FYP

 

[busybody..]

women LIE all the time

usually for money,

and

other reasons

MAYBE 10% of "rapes", are rapes

and of that, 9% is where she asked for it

Case Closed?

It's been almost six years since Air Force Major Jill Metzger disappeared from a shopping mall while deployed to Manas AB, Kyrgyzstan in September 2006. Metzger resurfaced a few days later, with an incredible tale of kidnapping, over-powering her abductors and racing almost 30 miles to freedom (the Air Force officer happens to be a champion marathon runner).


It sounded too good to be true, but the military media largely fell in line with the "public" account of Metzger's ordeal. Thankfully, Glenn MacDonald and the crew at Militarycorruption.com didn't buy the official version of events. Over the years that followed, they produced a number of exclusives on the Metzger case, indicating that she staged her own disappearance. Among their revelations:


-- Metzger showed no signs of having run 30 miles barefoot through the Kyrgyz countryside in her "bid for freedom." In fact, her feet appeared to be in remarkably good shape, with no indications of cuts, bruises or blood.


-- The Air Force officer, who is a natural blond, was a brunette at the time of her repatriation. Dye on her hands indicated that Metzger did the job herself. Would a woman fleeing her kidnappers take the time to change her hair color? Or was the makeover aimed at covering up other activities that were the real reason for his disappearance.


-- Kyrgyz authorities doubted her story from the start, and even interviewed a local abortion doctor who said he performed that procedure on Major Metzger during the time she was missing. However, local cops were never allowed to follow-up on their initial interview with Metzger; she was flown out of the country less than three days after her return.


-- A source inside the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which probed Metzger's disappearance, told Militarycoruption.com that the USAF personnel officer flunked at least two polygraphs after her escape. One exam, administered at her home station of Moody AFB, GA, showed clear signs of deception.


-- No rape kit or pregnancy test was ever administered to Metzger, despite her alleged abduction by male suspects.


-- AFOSI agents investigating the case were told to "lay off" Metzger, because she had "someone big by the b---s."


-- Air Force General Gary North, then a senior commander in the region, made a surprise appearance at Manas shortly after Metzger's rescue, offering an official "welcome home." He pressed his ceremonial coin into the palms of Air Force security forces on duty in the area, telling them "You didn't see a thing."


Some of the better reporting by Militarycorruption.com on the Metzger case can be found here.


While the incident--and the apparent cover-up--are well known to readers of this blog, the controversial case is bubbling up again. On Monday, the Air Force confirmed that Major Metzger was "kidnapped" back in 2006, based on an extensive examination of forensic evidence, and interviews with dozens of individuals connected to the case. More from Air Force Times:


On Feb. 3, investigators officially closed the case of Maj. Jill Metzger, who disappeared for several days in September 2006. She later said she had been kidnapped and had managed to escape.

“The Air Force Office of Special Investigations and several outside agencies then conducted a comprehensive and detailed examination of all the facts in this case and continued the investigation as long as was necessary in order to get to the truth,” Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Tracy A. Bunko said.


fter talking to hundreds of people, canvassing areas of Kyrgyzstan and conducting a forensic analysis of the evidence, investigators determined that all of the evidence supported Metzger’s account of what had happened, Bunko said in an email.


Of course, the service didn't release any of the forensic evidence or witness interviews that confirmed the kidnapping. And the Air Force assessment doesn't really address any of the questions raised by Militarycorruption.com. What about the failed polygraphs? What about Metzger's refusal to speak with investigators after being flown out of Kyrgyzstan? What about the evidence developed by local police? And what types of forensic evidence led the Air Force to its conclusion? As noted previously, Major Metzger reportedly refused to submit to medical tests that might offer new details about her abduction and those allegedly responsible for it.


In its account, Air Force Times said the service's recent review "debunks" an on-line smear campaign aimed at Major Metzger. Funny, but we don't see how legitimate questions--posed by Militarycorruption.com and other other blogs--represents a smear campaign. And without more details, we don't see how those questions have been answered, once and for all. You'd think Air Force Times would be asking some of those questions--or at least pressing the service's p.r. flack for more details--but (as with other stories on the Metzger case), the paper has been happy to regurgitate military spin.


Of course, the real question is why this issue is surfacing again. After all, it's been almost six years and (to our knowledge) no Congressional committee was forcing the USAF to resolve the matter. We believe the motivation is two-fold: first, General North is preparing to retire later this year, and tidying up the Metzger case eliminates an issue that might cause some uncomfortable questions during a final session on the Hill (assuming that members of Congress actually remember the incident, and decide to ask him about it).


The other reason is rooted in Major Metzger's own career. After being placed on the "temporarily retired" list for a couple of years, she returned to active duty in 2010, at Andrews AFB, MD. She's probably up for Lieutenant Colonel, and resolving the Kyrgyz matter would improve her prospects for promotion.


Here's hoping that Glenn MacDonald can pry loose a little more information from the OSI, and shed some real light on how this case was finally "closed." Then as now, the Metzger scandal stinks to high heaven, and not even the passage of time can change that, despite Air Force efforts to sweep it under the rug, once and for all.

 

[badbabysitter]

Jesus H Christ in a bucket, ya fem Nazi's want the government in your healthcare then you want them out of it.

this isnt doctors in our healthcare.. this is politicians in my uterus.. don't be a dumbass

With them in you have to take all the bureaucratic and political shit that comes with it, that's just the price you pay with gubbmint involvement.

so I should just roll over and take it because the government says so.. are you aware of how a democracy works? or is it only for men?

With them out you have no support but you get whatever the fuck you want if you can get it.

once again.. this isnt about doctors.. it's about politicians.. pay attention, there will be a test later

I don't like it, I don't agree with it but that's the reality of the situation so in or out, piss or get off the pot, make up your fucking mind.

I have made up my mind.. how is being pissed off about men wanting to control my body for political reasons a vague response?

Still the individuals choice to smoke or not....cancer is irrelevant, it's no one else's place to make that choice for them.

very true... that's what busybody doesnt get... he thinks it's okay for a person to chose to poison themselves and those around them.. but doesnt think women should have the right to chose for themselves

 

[badbabysitter]

women LIE all the time

usually for money,

and

other reasons

MAYBE 10% of "rapes", are rapes

and of that, 9% is where she asked for it

Case Closed?

It's been almost six years since Air Force Major Jill Metzger disappeared from a shopping mall while deployed to Manas AB, Kyrgyzstan in September 2006. Metzger resurfaced a few days later, with an incredible tale of kidnapping, over-powering her abductors and racing almost 30 miles to freedom (the Air Force officer happens to be a champion marathon runner).


It sounded too good to be true, but the military media largely fell in line with the "public" account of Metzger's ordeal. Thankfully, Glenn MacDonald and the crew at Militarycorruption.com didn't buy the official version of events. Over the years that followed, they produced a number of exclusives on the Metzger case, indicating that she staged her own disappearance. Among their revelations:


-- Metzger showed no signs of having run 30 miles barefoot through the Kyrgyz countryside in her "bid for freedom." In fact, her feet appeared to be in remarkably good shape, with no indications of cuts, bruises or blood.


-- The Air Force officer, who is a natural blond, was a brunette at the time of her repatriation. Dye on her hands indicated that Metzger did the job herself. Would a woman fleeing her kidnappers take the time to change her hair color? Or was the makeover aimed at covering up other activities that were the real reason for his disappearance.


-- Kyrgyz authorities doubted her story from the start, and even interviewed a local abortion doctor who said he performed that procedure on Major Metzger during the time she was missing. However, local cops were never allowed to follow-up on their initial interview with Metzger; she was flown out of the country less than three days after her return.


-- A source inside the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), which probed Metzger's disappearance, told Militarycoruption.com that the USAF personnel officer flunked at least two polygraphs after her escape. One exam, administered at her home station of Moody AFB, GA, showed clear signs of deception.


-- No rape kit or pregnancy test was ever administered to Metzger, despite her alleged abduction by male suspects.


-- AFOSI agents investigating the case were told to "lay off" Metzger, because she had "someone big by the b---s."


-- Air Force General Gary North, then a senior commander in the region, made a surprise appearance at Manas shortly after Metzger's rescue, offering an official "welcome home." He pressed his ceremonial coin into the palms of Air Force security forces on duty in the area, telling them "You didn't see a thing."


Some of the better reporting by Militarycorruption.com on the Metzger case can be found here.


While the incident--and the apparent cover-up--are well known to readers of this blog, the controversial case is bubbling up again. On Monday, the Air Force confirmed that Major Metzger was "kidnapped" back in 2006, based on an extensive examination of forensic evidence, and interviews with dozens of individuals connected to the case. More from Air Force Times:


On Feb. 3, investigators officially closed the case of Maj. Jill Metzger, who disappeared for several days in September 2006. She later said she had been kidnapped and had managed to escape.

“The Air Force Office of Special Investigations and several outside agencies then conducted a comprehensive and detailed examination of all the facts in this case and continued the investigation as long as was necessary in order to get to the truth,” Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Tracy A. Bunko said.


fter talking to hundreds of people, canvassing areas of Kyrgyzstan and conducting a forensic analysis of the evidence, investigators determined that all of the evidence supported Metzger’s account of what had happened, Bunko said in an email.


Of course, the service didn't release any of the forensic evidence or witness interviews that confirmed the kidnapping. And the Air Force assessment doesn't really address any of the questions raised by Militarycorruption.com. What about the failed polygraphs? What about Metzger's refusal to speak with investigators after being flown out of Kyrgyzstan? What about the evidence developed by local police? And what types of forensic evidence led the Air Force to its conclusion? As noted previously, Major Metzger reportedly refused to submit to medical tests that might offer new details about her abduction and those allegedly responsible for it.


In its account, Air Force Times said the service's recent review "debunks" an on-line smear campaign aimed at Major Metzger. Funny, but we don't see how legitimate questions--posed by Militarycorruption.com and other other blogs--represents a smear campaign. And without more details, we don't see how those questions have been answered, once and for all. You'd think Air Force Times would be asking some of those questions--or at least pressing the service's p.r. flack for more details--but (as with other stories on the Metzger case), the paper has been happy to regurgitate military spin.


Of course, the real question is why this issue is surfacing again. After all, it's been almost six years and (to our knowledge) no Congressional committee was forcing the USAF to resolve the matter. We believe the motivation is two-fold: first, General North is preparing to retire later this year, and tidying up the Metzger case eliminates an issue that might cause some uncomfortable questions during a final session on the Hill (assuming that members of Congress actually remember the incident, and decide to ask him about it).


The other reason is rooted in Major Metzger's own career. After being placed on the "temporarily retired" list for a couple of years, she returned to active duty in 2010, at Andrews AFB, MD. She's probably up for Lieutenant Colonel, and resolving the Kyrgyz matter would improve her prospects for promotion.


Here's hoping that Glenn MacDonald can pry loose a little more information from the OSI, and shed some real light on how this case was finally "closed." Then as now, the Metzger scandal stinks to high heaven, and not even the passage of time can change that, despite Air Force efforts to sweep it under the rug, once and for all.

what this has to do with abortion = nothing


congratulations, you pulled an LT

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

this isnt doctors in our healthcare.. this is politicians in my uterus.. don't be a dumbass

so I should just roll over and take it because the government says so.. are you aware of how a democracy works? or is it only for men?



once again.. this isnt about doctors.. it's about politicians.. pay attention, there will be a test later



I have made up my mind.. how is being pissed off about men wanting to control my body for political reasons a vague response?






very true... that's what busybody doesnt get... he thinks it's okay for a person to chose to poison themselves and those around them.. but doesnt think women should have the right to chose for themselves

Ya know I totally supported what you were saying until you repeated exactly what I said and then called me a dumbass like a total cunt.

Oh well...have a great day!!
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