you know...there actually is some famous arab-americans,despite what the haters think

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Arab Americans:
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There are about 3 million Arab-Americans, and as a community, we've been demonstrating loyalty, inventiveness, and courage on behalf of the United States for over 100 years. Here are just a few of the famous and accomplished ones -- people you may know!
Military Service
You talk about courage ... How about America’s and the world’s first jet ace? He was the Korean War hero, U.S. Air Force Col. James Jabara. In World War II, Army officers like Maj. Gen. Fred Safay fought alongside Gen. Patton, and Brig. Gen. Elias Stevens served on Gen. Eisenhower’s staff.

And in 1944, one of our Navy’s ships, the destroyer escort USS Naifeh, was named in honor of an Arab American hero, Navy Lt. Alfred Naifeh of Oklahoma. More recently, West Point graduate and retired four-star Gen. George Joulwan was the NATO Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, where he commanded both European and U.S. troops. Brig. Gen. William J. Jabour is the Director of the Air Force Program Executive Office for Fighter and Bomber programs in charge of the F-22 System Program Office (SPO).

Political
Some of us work in our nation’s capital, like veteran Congressmen Nick Joe Rahall II (West Virginia), Ray LaHood (Illinois), John Baldacci (Maine), John E. Sununu (New Hampshire), Chris John (Louisiana), and Darrell Issa (California).

There are two Arab Americans in President George W. Bush’s Cabinet: U.S. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham and Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mitchell Daniels. The first Arab American ever appointed to a Cabinet secretary post was Donna Shalala, the nation’s longest serving Secretary of Health and Human Services, and now president of the University of Miami. Former Governor of New Hampshire John H. Sununu became the White House Chief of Staff under Pres. George Bush Sr., and later a political commentator on CNN.

America’s longest-serving White House Chief of Protocol, serving seven and a half years under President Reagan, was Ambassador Selwa Roosevelt. Thomas A. Nassif, her assistant, and Edward Gabriel also served as U.S. Ambassador to Morocco. Our Ambassador to Syria is Theodore Kattouf, and Marcelle Wahba is Ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.

The late ambassador Philip C. Habib served as Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Feisty Helen Thomas, who served for 57 years as a correspondent for United Press International and was dean of the White House press corps, is a Hearst newspaper syndicated columnist. In a class by himself, the late, warm-hearted Robert George portrayed Santa Claus year-round for nearly 50 years and was a Presidential Santa at the White House through seven administrations.

Others who have served in high elected office are: former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who brokered a peace deal in Northern Ireland and led a peace commission to the Middle East; former U.S. Senators James Abourezk and James Abdnor, both of South Dakota; and former Congressional members Pat Danner of Missouri, Mary Rose Oakar of Ohio, the late George Kasem of California, who was the first Arab American elected to the U.S. Congress, Abraham Kazen, Jr. of Texas, and Toby Moffett of Connecticut. Victor Atiyeh was the popular governor of Oregon.

Arab-Americans are grocers and governors, physicians and farmers, Indy 500 champs and taxicab drivers, financiers and factory workers, bakers and bankers, salesmen and senators, TV stars and TV repairmen, teachers and preachers, Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks and neighborhood sandlot heroes. Name it, and an Arab American has probably done it.

Sports
San Diego Chargers quarterback Doug Flutie, who threw the “miracle touchdown” pass for Boston College, won the Heisman Trophy in 1984. He previously played with the Buffalo Bills and was a superstar in the Canadian Football League. There’s also NFL player Jeff George, who quarterbacked several NFL teams, and former NFL coach Rich Kotite. Don’t forget former Chicago Bears linebacker and NFL Hall of Famer Bill George, or former Cleveland Brown Abe Gibran. Another NFL player is Drew Haddad of the Indianapolis Colts. The former owner of the Miami Dolphins was Joe Robbie.

In basketball, there’s former NBA center Rony Seikaly. UCLA’s fiery coach Jim Harrick took his team to the NCAA playoffs eight years in a row, winning the national championship in 1995; he’s now coaching at the University of Georgia. The late George Maloof, Sr. owned the NBA’s Houston Rockets; today his sons, Joe and Gavin Maloof, own the Sacramento Kings.

Major League baseball player Joe Lahoud played with the Boston Red Sox and Sam Khalifa played for the Pittsburgh Pirates. And Fred Saigh once owned baseball’s St. Louis Cardinals.

In auto racing, Bobby Rahal won the Indy 500 in 1986, later becoming the alltime earnings champ among Indy car racers. The founder of the Professional Bowlers Association was the late Eddie Elias. In the ring, Petey Sarron won the world featherweight championship in 1936-1937. Zuhair “Steve” Mansour was weightlifting’s Grandmaster of the World in 1990. And a four-time U.S. National Chess Champion and Grandmaster is Seattle’s Yasser Seirawan. Women’s International Chess Master Jennifer Shahade won the 2002 U.S. Women’s Chess Championship. The late Dr. Elias Ghanem, former chairman of the Nevada Athletic Commission and Las Vegas’own physician to the stars, once treated celebrities like Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Johnny Cash, Kenny Rogers, and Paul Anka. In track and field, the world record holder for the marathon is Arab American Khalid Khannouchi.

Activists
Among America’s activists, can you think of two people who have saved more lives than America’s foremost consumer advocate and Green party presidential candidate Ralph Nader and the founder of MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) Candy Lightner. MADD is the largest crime victims’ assistance organization in the world, with more than 3 million members and supporters.

Back in 1960, Ralph Johns, an active participant in the civil rights movement, encouraged the famous Woolworth “sit-in” at a lunch counter in Greensboro, North Carolina. And today Dr. Rabih Aridi works to promote human rights as treasurer and board member of Amnesty International USA.

Business
The founder of an international, billion-dollar engineering firm, Jacobs Engineering Group, is Dr. Joseph Jacobs. A former chemist with dozens of patents became Armand Hammer’s successor as chairman of the board, president, and chief executive officer of Occidental Petroleum — Dr. Ray Irani.

Najeeb Halaby, former head of the Federal Aviation Administration, was CEO of Pan-American Airlines. His daughter, Lisa, married King Hussein of Jordan and became the only Arab American to be queen of a foreign country, Queen Noor.

Jacques Nasser was formerly the president and CEO of Ford Motor Company. The chairman of the board of the Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company is Samir G. Gibara. The late Stephen Yokich served five terms as vice president of the International United Auto Workers union, then became its president. Ned Mansour was formerly the president of Mattel, Inc., maker of Barbie dolls and other toys.

John Mack is the CEO of Credit Suisse First Boston and was formerly the president of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, one of America’s largest investment banking firms. Dr. Raymond Jallow is an internationally respected economic advisor to governments and institutions, lecturing in financial capitals around the world. Youssef A. Nasr is the president and CEO of HSBC USA, a leading financial services organization and the third largest depository institution. William Hanna is the founding president and CEO of Cedars Bank, a wholly Arab American owned commercial bank headquartered in Los Angeles. The chairman of the board and CEO of Fresh Del Monte Produce, Inc. is Mohammed Abu-Ghazaleh.

Farouk Shamie is the CEO and founder of Farouk Systems USA, a premier hair and skin care company that introduced environmentally safe products for hairdressers. Lebanese-American Richard E. Rainwater built his reputation managing investments for Texas’ wealthy Bass family and earned millions for himself as a result. He recently set up a $120 million trust for Stanford and the University of South Carolina.

George Shaheen is credited with founding Andersen Consulting, now called Accenture, and served as CEO and managing partner as part of a 30-year career at the world’s biggest consulting firm. Roger Farah is president and chief operating officer of Polo Ralph Lauren and previously served as chairman of the board of Venator Group, Inc., the parent company of Footlocker. The “new economy” has its share of Arab American heroes as well: Simon Assad is the co-CEO of Heavy.com, a music site that was nominated for a Webby, the Internet’s highest honor. One of America’s preeminent pollsters, keeping tabs on public opinion and other statistics, is John Zogby of Zogby International.

Paul Orfalea founded the world’s biggest international chain of copying service stores, Kinko’s; while Waleed and Malik Ali founded MPI, the world’s largest home-video distributor of documentaries. Entrepreneur Tony Ismail founded the Alamo Flag Company in Dallas and built it into the largest retailer of flags and related items in the U.S. today.

Law
The Texas lawyer who won the biggest business settlement in U.S. history, on behalf of Pennzoil ($10 billion dollars!), is one of this country’s most successful attorneys, Joseph D. Jamail. In the famous “zoot suit” trial of the 1940s, George Shibley defended unjustly accused Mexican-Americans in Los Angeles. In the late 1990s, Edward Masry and Erin Brockovich filed a direct action lawsuit against Pacific Gas and Electric for polluting the drinking water of Hinkley, CA. Their efforts secured the largest toxic tort injury settlement in U.S. history, $333 million in damages, and was chronicled in the blockbuster film starring Julia Roberts and Albert Finney.

Entertainment
Canadian-born singer-songwriter Paul Anka became one of America’s first pop teen idols. The late ukelele-plucking, falsetto-singing Herbert Khaury became famous as “Tiny Tim.” And in the world of rock, there was the late, legendary Frank Zappa. On the West Coast, Dick Dale is the “King of the Surf Guitar.” Singer-dancer-choreographer Paula Abdul has had two number-one albums, six number-one singles, a Grammy award, and worldwide album sales exceeding 30 million records. And the first teenage singer ever to have her first two singles both hit number one is Tiffany, born Renee Darwish. Pop star Shakira, of Colombian and Lebanese descent, has scored on the U.S. charts and is a multiple Grammy winner.

Speaking of music, two of America’s landmark music shows on radio were created by two Arab Americans, Don Bustany and me — “American Top 40” and “American Country Countdown.” Diane Rehm is host and executive producer of “The Diane Rehm Show” on National Public Radio (NPR). The man who pioneered the concept of a radio programming consultant in 1958 is Mike Joseph, who’s helped organizations like ABC, CBS, and NBC, among others. On Broadway, playwright Fred Saidy wrote two classics, “Finian’s Rainbow” and “Bloomer Girl.” Opera prima donna Rosalind Elias hit the high notes at the Met. And for avant-garde “Dancer of the Year” in 1992, the New York Times picked a 20-year Broadway veteran with the Paul Taylor Company — Elie Chaib. David Yazbek wrote the lyrics and score for “The Full Monty.”

Turning to television, Lucie Salhany became the first woman to head a television network, as chair of Fox Broadcasting Co., then of United Paramount Network. Among TV directors, two Arab Americans have each helmed over 300 episodes for the networks. Asaad Kelada has done numerous series like “Family Ties” and episodes of “The Facts of Life,” “Who’s the Boss?,”“WKRP in Cincinnati,” etc. After directing Broadway hits like “Sweet Charity,” “Mame,” and “The Unsinkable Molly Brown,” John Bowab switched to TV and has directed episodes of “Soap,” “Benson,” “Bosom Buddies,” “The Facts of Life,” and “ The Cosby Show.”

Did you know...
that the highest-rated episode in television history was the last episode of “M*A*S*H”? And who played the role of not-so-crazy Corporal Klinger for its entire 11-year run? A talented Arab American from Toledo, Ohio, Jamie Farr.

On NBC, “Saturday Night Live’s” bandleader for many years was guitarist G.E. Smith. (His family’s Lebanese name, Haddad, means blacksmith).

The best-known Lebanese in America was also the founder of St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital — the late, great comedian and actor Danny Thomas. His son is a television and film producer and multi-Emmy winner for “The Golden Girls” and other TV shows — Tony Thomas.

Danny’s daughter, Emmy Award-winning Marlo Thomas, was the first actress ever to play a single, independent young woman in the TV series, “That Girl.” She currently appears on TV’s “Friends” as Rachel’s mother and published a book, “The Right Words at the Right Time.” Wendie Malick plays Nina Van Horn on NBC’s hit show “Just Shoot Me.”

The leading man who starred in the movies “Flashdance” and “Finding Forrester” was Michael Nouri, who also starred in TV’s “Love and War” sitcom. Tony Shalhoub, now starring in USA Network’s series “Monk,” and Amy Yasbeck appeared in the hit sitcom “Wings” — the first time two Arab Americans have been featured in the same TV series. Amy has also starred in films including Mel Brooks’ “Robin Hood: Men in Tights.” Tony has moved to the big screen as well, in both “Men in Black ” films,“The Siege,” “A Civil Action,” and “Thirteen Ghosts” (with fellow Arab Americans F. Murray Abraham and Shannon Elizabeth).

Crusty but soft-hearted Mel in TV’s “Alice” was portrayed by the late Vic Tayback. One of the co-stars of the series “Empty Nest” was Kristy McNichol. A star of TV’s “Head of the Class” was once picked by People Magazine as one of the “50 most beautiful people in the U.S.” — Khrystyne Haje.

Other Arab American television actors include Yasmine Bleeth, who starred in “Baywatch” and “Nash Bridges,” and Tige Andrews, who spent years with the “Mod Squad.”

Two other fine movie and television actors who also starred in popular TV dramas are James Stacy, who played the main role in “Laramie,” and Michael Ansara, who played Cochise in “Broken Arrow.”

An award-winning comic actress from San Diego, Kathy Najimy, played a funloving nun in the “Sister Act” films. She co-starred as Olive, a Lebanese- American, in NBC-TV’s “Veronica’s Closet” with Kirstie Alley. Kathy is the voice of Peggy Hill on Fox-TV’s animated hit “King of the Hill.” Lovely Salma Hayek, who is of Lebanese and Mexican descent, is another actress who has lit up the small screen (in cable TV’s movie “The Hunchback,” as the gypsy Esmeralda) and the big screen (Oscar-winning “Traffic,” “Desperado,” “Wild Wild West,” and “Frida,” about Mexican artist Frida Kahlo). Shannon Elizabeth of “American Pie,” “Scary Movie,” and “Tomcats” is of Lebanese and Syrian ancestry.

The former head of Carolco Pictures, handling the “Rocky,” “Rambo,” and “Terminator” films, was “billion-dollar producer” Mario Kassar. The producer of the epic “The Message: The Story of Islam” (a biography of the Prophet Mohammed) and “Lion of the Desert,”not to mention all the blockbuster “Halloween” chillers, is Moustapha Akkad.

The director of Jim Carrey’s loony comedy hits “Ace Ventura: Pet Detective” and “Liar, Liar,” Eddie Murphy’s “The Nutty Professor,” and Robin Williams’ “Patch Adams” is Tom Shadyac. Together, these films have grossed more than $1 billion worldwide.

The Pulitzer Prize for biography (“Jackson Pollack: An American Saga”) was shared by the author of three other national bestsellers: writer-publisher Steven Naifeh of South Carolina. The book was later adapted into an Academy Award-winning film (best supporting actress).

Elie Samaha is chairman and owner of Franchise Pictures, which produced such films as “The Heist,” “Angel Eyes,” “The Whole Nine Yards,” and “Battlefield Earth.” Academy Award-winning film producer Ronald Schwary is best known for his work with “Tootsie,” “Meet Joe Black,” and “Scent of a Woman.” Jehane Noujaim co-directed and co-produced “Startup.com.”

One of show business’ legendary talent managers was the late George “Bullets” Durgom, who, through the years, managed Jackie Gleason, Sammy Davis, Jr., and Marilyn Monroe, to mention a few. Two of today’s top recording stars’ husband-managers are of Arab descent: Rene Angelil, discoverer and manager of wife Celine Dion, and Cuban-born Emilio Estefan, manager and producer of wife Gloria Estefan.

Emmy Award-winning cinematographer-director George S. Dibie is president of the International Photographers Guild. Fouad Said was the cinematographer who designed Cinemobile, the first customized van for filming on location, while working on the TV series “I Spy.” For this achievement, he received a Technical Academy Award in 1970.

Other Arab American Oscar winners include F. Murray Abraham, who won Best Actor for the movie “Amadeus.” Screenwriter and novelist William Peter Blatty won an Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay for “The Exorcist,” a huge box office hit based on his novel of the same name. Recipient of an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay for “Thelma and Louise” and director of the “Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood” is Callie Khoury. The late composer Paul Jabara won an Oscar award for Best Song, Donna Summer’s ”Last Dance” from the movie “Thank God, It’s Friday.” Set decorator Emile Kuri won two Oscars for his splendid work on “The Heiress” and “20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.” He received a total of eight Academy Award nominations and later designed many exhibits at Disneyland.

Education
Columbia professor Edward Said is a well-known literary and social critic, as well as a respected music reviewer, whose column appears in “The Nation.” Professor Said has authored more than a dozen volumes on everything from the Middle East to English literature. Jack Shaheen, emeritus professor of mass communications at Southern Illinois University and author of books like “The TV Arab” and “Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People,” has also been CBS News’ consultant for the Middle East. David Adamany was the longest-serving president of Wayne State University in Detroit.

For an inspiring success story, try that of writer-lecturer on business and success, Nido Qubein. When he came to the United States as a teenager, he could barely speak English. He went on to become president of the National Speakers’ Association and the youngest member inducted into the International Speakers’ Hall of Fame.

Fashion
The prestigious CFDA Menswear Designer of the Year Award for 1989 and 1990 went to Arab American Joseph Abboud of New York. He’s the only designer to win the award two years in a row.

Supermodel Yamila Diaz-Rahi, who is of Lebanese and Spanish descent, landed the coveted Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue cover in 2002. She has also graced the covers of “Marie Claire,” “Elle,” “GQ,” and “Shape.”

One of America’s most sought-after hairstylists, Frederic Fekkai, boasts clients such as Claudia Schiffer, Kim Basinger, and Renee Zellweger.

Lebanese immigrant J.M. Haggar started Haggar Clothing Co. in 1926. It became one of the world’s best-known brands in men’s apparel. The company is now a multi-million dollar enterprise that is headed by J.M. Haggar III, who serves as chairman and CEO. In addition, Farah Brothers manufactures men’s and women’s slacks, and Maloof Brothers manufactured Mod-O-Day women’s dresses. Norma Kamali, who designs everything from clothing and cosmetics to eyeglasses, is of Arab ancestry. Reem Acra is one of the world’s preeminent designers of bridal fashions and is known for her elaborate embroideries. Hair accessories and jewelry designer Colette Malouf began her rise to the top in 1987 with the “Malouf Poof.” She is known for her innovative use of exotic materials and her celebrity clientele.

Art
Arab Americans also have made significant contributions to the art world. America’s most honored woodworker, Sam Maloof is an award-winning artisan whose creations have appeared in the White House, the Smithsonian Institution, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Vatican, and other renowned exhibit halls. Retired heart surgeon Dr. Hussam A. Fadhi is an award-winning sculptor whose work is displayed around the world, including the Bush Presidential Library. Prolific industrial designer Karim Rashid is among the major talents of 21st-century design with work in New York’s Museum of Modern Art.

The first woman to design a major American art museum, Cincinnati’s $34 million Contemporary Art Center, is Iraqi-born Zaha Hadid. Artist Ghada Amer’s hand embroidered paintings were selected for the Whitney Biennial 2000 and the Venice Biennale in 1999. Naomi Shihab Nye is an award-winning poet and author of children’s literature.

Science and Medicine
One of America’s most famous pioneers is Houston surgeon Dr. Michael DeBakey, who invented the heart pump. Today he’s chancellor of Baylor University’s College of Medicine. Algerian-American Dr. Elias Zerhouni is the director of the National Institutes of Health.

Two winners of the Nobel Prize for Chemistry are Arab American. Dr. Ahmed H. Zewail, a professor of physics at the California Institute of Technology (CIT), is the 1999 winner. The 1990 winner is Harvard’s Dr. Elias Corey. Also at CIT is Dr. Charles Elachi, who was selected to head up the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. A pioneer in the field of electrical engineering, inventor Hassan Kamel Al-Sabbah worked for the General Electric Company (GE) in the 1920s and 30s. His research led to 52 patent applications, among them innovations in solar energy and television tubes.

Geologist George A. Doumani’s explorations helped prove the theory of continental drift; he has a mountain peak named after him in Antarctica. Another American geologist, Dr. Farouk el-Baz, born in Egypt, helped plan all the Apollo moon landings and later pioneered the use of space photography to study the Earth.

Finally, the courageous astronauts who lost their lives aboard the space shuttle Challenger represented several racial and ethnic groups: African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American, Anglo-American, Jewish-American — and Arab American: schoolteacher Christa McAuliffe.


We’ve all heard this quote before:





“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country” — a famous quote by an Irish-American president, John F. Kennedy, that inspired an entire generation.


These words were first written by, among others, the Arab American author of “The Prophet,” Kahlil Gibran. And that sentiment, so beautifully expressed by Gibran more than 70 years ago, has inspired Americans of all heritages.

We Arab Americans are proud of our heritage and proud to be Americans. It’s this pride that keeps us all asking, “What can we do for our country?”— the good old U.S.A.





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You want to put faces on the hate?

Make some prominant targets?

;)
 
IS THE PROBLEM IMMIGRATION OR ASSIMILATION?:
Somali refugee follows in Fortuyn's footsteps with attack on imams (Daily Telegraph, 11/01/2003)


The daughter of a Somali dissident imprisoned by the Siad Barre regime in the 1970s, she grew up in exile in Kenya, Ethiopia and Saudi Arabia. She was subjected to the cruel ritual of female circumcision aged five, then ordered against her will to marry a kinsman in Canada, who wanted her to bear him six sons.

"I was sent to Germany to meet him but I couldn't face it," she said. "So I slipped across the border into the Netherlands at 11 o'clock on a November night in 1992 and asked for asylum." She would have gone to England but Holland had an open border under the Schengen treaty. She was 22 and did not speak a word of Dutch. Finding odd jobs as a cleaner, and learning fast about the underworld of abused Muslim girls hiding in shelters, she educated herself, ultimately studying political science at Leiden University.


"I wanted to understand why the western countries were doing so well when the rest of the world seemed to be collapsing," she said. "I studied the history of European political thought from the Greeks and Romans up to the Second World War." Her favourite thinker is John Stuart Mill.


"I learned that people in the West value the autonomous individual. They understand the importance of science, knowledge. They are capable of criticising themselves and there is an ability to record history to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past. It is exactly the opposite in Somalia where all the institutions of record are missing, and my grandmother's memories of the clan wars will die with her," she said.


She was asked by the then ruling Labour Party to research why so many Dutch-born Muslim youths seemed to be at war with their host society.


Her conclusion was a blistering critique of the Dutch state policy of multiculturalism, which she described as a calamitous mistake born of "a misplaced sense of guilt or pity" that has allowed militant imams "preaching hate" to indoctrinate youths in segregated schools, all paid for by fat subsidies from the Dutch taxpayer. She is demanding an immediate end to state funding for 700 Islamic clubs, often run by hardline clerics.


"The Netherlands is a country that worships consensus and peace, but here you have newcomers who are not integrated into this system. They exploit the values of an open liberal society to reach illiberal ends," she said.


It seems unfair to make her seem Pim Fortuyn's heir, since her emphasis seems to be much more on preserving traditional Western culture than on anti-immigration. As her own story shows, that culture is worthy of defending and there can hardly be any objection to requiring immigrants to accept it as a prerequisite for becoming citizens. Of course, the problem, as she's identified, is that the Dutch no longer accept it themselves.
 
Your continued plea, is look, don't lump us all together, look at the contributions. But you aim your argument to the haters, who are dumb enough now to knee-jerk hate these people whom they probably didn't see as Ayyy-rabs before! :D

I would have suggested a tribute thread, then at the end, oh, by the way, these are arab-Americans.

The haters never make it to the bottom and you shore up your true support.

:D

It's tactics. Not personal. ;)
 
BusyBody, you actually harm the cause, so I assume that is you intent and purpose.

If not, then argue like a sane man please.
 
SIN

My last post showed a Somali ex patriot who condemned the actions of her adopted country......showing how it helped produce terror.....and enabled newly arriving Muslims in that terroristic behavior.....

How was it counterproductive?

BTW.....If you dont like it. IGNORE IT!

If you cant understand it, as I suspect. ASK!
 
CH

Your lond post was worthless......

That there are some productive members have never been in question......

How many of them,BTW, have taken active overt steps to show us Americans that they are making an effort to stop the crazies?

What is in question is......How doe we know who the bad ones are and the good ones are? by the time we find out....WE COULD BE DEAD!

Therefore, it is right for us to believe ALL MUSLIMS/ARAB are potential trojan horses.....and expell em all!
 
SINthysist said:
Your continued plea, is look, don't lump us all together, look at the contributions. But you aim your argument to the haters, who are dumb enough now to knee-jerk hate these people whom they probably didn't see as Ayyy-rabs before! :D

I would have suggested a tribute thread, then at the end, oh, by the way, these are arab-Americans.

The haters never make it to the bottom and you shore up your true support.

:D

It's tactics. Not personal. ;)


Hmmm you may have a point there.


But it has been my experience that the haters become deaf,mute and dumb when faced with things of this point.


Its more for the follower types of people that dont know one way or another.


Thanks Sin.




CH
 
Who is a freiend who is a foe?

Bin Laden Sympathizers in U.S.
Law Enforcement Overwhelmed With Terror Tips, Intelligence

By Pierre Thomas



W A S H I N G T O N, Jan. 9 — The FBI has identified as many as 1,000 Osama bin Laden sympathizers living in 30 cities in the United States, Justice Department sources told ABCNEWS.




Through informants, phone taps and monitoring e-mails, law enforcement officials have discovered some who have discussed committing acts of terror.
The FBI is also concerned there are sleeper cells operating in a covert manner, similar to that of the Sept. 11 hijackers, are in the United States under the direct control of al Qaeda leadership — but has thus far been unable to identify them.

After hundreds of hours of exhaustive study of the Sept. 11 hijackers, investigators have discovered few patterns to share with law enforcement about what to look for.

Officials describe an FBI under enormous stress, desperately trying to keep pace with a flood of terrorism tips and intelligence.

In the past year, the FBI has checked out 3,000 threats against the United States domestically, ABCNEWS has learned. Every threat was checked out, according to one senior official, because everyone in law enforcement is afraid to miss anything that could have devastating consequences.
 
Re: CH

busybody said:
Your lond post was worthless......

That there are some productive members have never been in question......

How many of them,BTW, have taken active overt steps to show us Americans that they are making an effort to stop the crazies?

What is in question is......How doe we know who the bad ones are and the good ones are? by the time we find out....WE COULD BE DEAD!

Therefore, it is right for us to believe ALL MUSLIMS/ARAB are potential trojan horses.....and expell em all!



So where would you expel all us Arab americans to?

I'm a born USA citizen,not an immigrant.




CH
 
CH

How can we Americans distinguish between a FRIEND or a FOE....prior to an event?

Dont you believe that in light of events that have been done in the name of Islam in the past 10 years, we, Americans have justification in suspecting ALL Muslims/Arabs?
 
Re: Re: CH

crystalhunting said:
So where would you expel all us Arab americans to?

I'm a born USA citizen,not an immigrant.




CH

I would either expell ALL forign born Muslims/Aabs to their birth country, or country of their choice......if the latter would accept em.

Or.....

Let them stay......if they agree to register and allow themselves to be monitored.
 
Re: CH

busybody said:
How can we Americans distinguish between a FRIEND or a FOE....prior to an event?

Dont you believe that in light of events that have been done in the name of Islam in the past 10 years, we, Americans have justification in suspecting ALL Muslims/Arabs?

See, CH, I ask several legit questions......as in prior threads.....

And you dont answer.

I know you say you do.....and here as well you will SAY YOU DID.....

And there will be MANY who will have not followed the entire course of my discussions with you.....and BELIEVE that you did indeed answer......

But you and I know the truth!

Now of course, you need not answer anything, I know that.
 
Re: CH

busybody said:
How can we Americans distinguish between a FRIEND or a FOE....prior to an event?

Dont you believe that in light of events that have been done in the name of Islam in the past 10 years, we, Americans have justification in suspecting ALL Muslims/Arabs?




By actions.


Is there is evidence that these extremist are planning something nasty.


Have the FBI pick em up.




lets also put it this way.


How would you feel if you were automatically treated like a pariah because of your ancestry or spiritual belief?

How would you like it if your american born rights were signed away by a presidential order,you could be stuck in that rathole at Guantanamo without any rights of due process or even acceses to a lawyer,and mind you I'm not talking about non usa citizens,I am talking about USA citizens,cause there are a few there.


Its one thing to proclaim democratic ideas,then coveniently take them away from US citizens because of the fear.

What I have been trying to get into your thick head is that these people that do terrorist acts....are NOT MUSLIMS.more like charlatans.

want to know what the difference between wahabbis and other Muslims are?


here is one BIG one.

Wahabbi Muslims follow the Hadiths more than the Holy Quran.

The Pbuh warned against paying attention to other tomes that claim to be Islamic inspired.


I had a hard enough time when I made the Haj years ago with the Wahabbis.


Cause IM NOT A WAHABBI MUSLIM.

Im a SUFI.


Most of this hate....comes from the Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia,though the crazy shi'ites of Iran havent helped either.


Innocent until proven guilty is one part of our great legal system.


not the other way around.




CH
 
CH

I will anwer later.....I have to leave for the Morning Saturaday prayers.....

I understand your points.....and I wonder if you understand mine.

In the meanwhile, I wish you a pleasant day!
 
The ALL NEW "DIFFERENT TO US" SCAPEGOATS!!

SINthysist said:
Your continued plea, is look, don't lump us all together, look at the contributions. But you aim your argument to the haters, who are dumb enough now to knee-jerk hate these people whom they probably didn't see as Ayyy-rabs before! :D

I would have suggested a tribute thread, then at the end, oh, by the way, these are arab-Americans.

The haters never make it to the bottom and you shore up your true support. :D It's tactics. Not personal. ;)

Hi SIN . . . Do you remember when the brownshirts smashed the shop windows of numerous Jewish businesses in Berlin on Krystallneight 1938(?) . . . then after the Vietnam victory in the 70s, Pol Pot, that henchman of U$ policy slaughtered the intelligencia of Cambodia . . . in WWII Japanese Americans were interred and stripped of their assets by Presidential Executive Order in 1942(?), just because they looked different to the U$ WASP ruling class??

Well guess what . . . Dubyah Shrub has commenced his campaign along the same lines with an ALL NEW "LOOKS DIFFERENT TO US" VICTIM . . . THE ARABS!!!

Yea, Dubyah!!! . . . the NEW cause of all the economic woes of America is NOT the AfricanAmerican (Negro), they have been assimilated and ignored in a vague sort of a way . . .

The cause of ALL of America's woes is those oil owning, kebab eating, teetotaller Arabs!!! . . . who drink MeccaCola instead of CocaCola . . . who worship five times a day rather than once a year . . . who do not practice usury . . .

Of course it could NOT be those U$ corporate executives who live beyond the reach of the shareholders as they legally destroy the capitalist system for thier own personal gain . . .

Of course it could NOT be the elected U$ political representatives who accept huge bribes from those corporate executives NOT to bring corporate remuneration packages under shareholder review . . .

Of course it could NOT be the U$ Corporations Law which is written to protect the executives from the will of the shareholders . . .

Once again the alcoholic-in-remission puppet reaches back into history to repeat one of the "grand campaigns" of his beloved Nazi role models, selecting the chosen enemy of his most important arms market . . . the extreme right wing of the Israeli government.

This plot was revealed by Gary Allen in his 1971 book, "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" . . . try to find one in your favourite secondhand bookstore . . . more than five million copies were printed

As I predicted in an earlier thread . . . the U$ Fourth Reich is upon us . . . God Save America . . . because only Americans can save themselves. :)

Thanks for the edit, mbb :D
 
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Krystallnacht was 8-9 November 1938. It occurred at the anniversary of the Munich Putsch.

The Enterrment was done by Presidential Executive Order in 1942, and upheld as legal by the Supreme Court. I cannot recall the dates, and am too lazy to surf it up.
 
CH
Thanks for the link
I think that people from all these different backgrounds have been a big part of what has made America great.

BTW: Don even though I'm not one of GWB's biggest fans ,I don't understand your need to call him an alcoholic-in-remission each time you post and it would be much easier to take you seriously if you left out the $ every time you refer to the USA
 
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crystalhunting said:
By actions.


Is there is evidence that these extremist are planning something nasty.


Have the FBI pick em up.




lets also put it this way.


How would you feel if you were automatically treated like a pariah because of your ancestry or spiritual belief?

How would you like it if your american born rights were signed away by a presidential order,you could be stuck in that rathole at Guantanamo without any rights of due process or even acceses to a lawyer,and mind you I'm not talking about non usa citizens,I am talking about USA citizens,cause there are a few there.


Its one thing to proclaim democratic ideas,then coveniently take them away from US citizens because of the fear.

What I have been trying to get into your thick head is that these people that do terrorist acts....are NOT MUSLIMS.more like charlatans.

want to know what the difference between wahabbis and other Muslims are?


here is one BIG one.

Wahabbi Muslims follow the Hadiths more than the Holy Quran.

The Pbuh warned against paying attention to other tomes that claim to be Islamic inspired.


I had a hard enough time when I made the Haj years ago with the Wahabbis.


Cause IM NOT A WAHABBI MUSLIM.

Im a SUFI.


Most of this hate....comes from the Wahabbis of Saudi Arabia,though the crazy shi'ites of Iran havent helped either.


Innocent until proven guilty is one part of our great legal system.


not the other way around.

In the past 22 years, the side of Islam that has been shown to the American people is one of violence, terror and death......

The fact is that Wahabbis have hijacked the religion.....the fact also remains that Saudia Arabia is the money engine that fuels that hatred.....and that is the only one we see.....

Muslims are not picked up just on mere whim and held without legal representation....Only two, Padilla and Hamdi are held, and they are enemy combatants.....

It is worth noting that when Syria had their problems with militant Islam.....they LEVELED their town and killed 25,000.....and NO ONE in the Muslim world said a darn thing....

It is UNWISE and even dangerous to WAIT till evil is shown....It is a must to suspect all.....because by the time one finds out the difference between the GOOD and the BAD.....WE COULD BE DEAD!

I understand your objections....Do you understand ours?

Muslims live better in this country.....then in any Muslim country!




CH
 
crappie master said:
CH
Thanks for the link
I think that people from all these different backgrounds have been a big part of what has made America great.

BTW: Don even though I'm not one of GWB's biggest fans ,I don't understand your need to call him an alcoholic-in-remission each time you post and it would be much easier to take you seriously if you left out the $ every time you refer to the USA



Aside from you, mbb and CH what you have here is the nutjob trifecta. Laurel should give them their own board to keep the disease contained.

Don't take any of them too seriously. After a couple thousand posts of the same exact thing, their insanity is pretty apparent.
 
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