You Have Got to be Kidding Me

[Carnal_Flower]

This is outrageous


A pregnant woman shot in the stomach is indicted in her unborn child's death

A pregnant woman who was shot in the stomach is now charged with manslaughter for the death of her unborn child.

A Jefferson County grand jury indicted Marshae Jones, 27, based on her alleged role in starting a fight that led to the gunfire, CNN affiliate WBMA reported.

Jones was five months pregnant in December when she got into a fight with another woman outside a Dollar General store in Pleasant Grove, just west of Birmingham, the station said.

Authorities say the dispute involved the baby's father, AL.com reported.
"It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby," Pleasant Grove police Lt. Danny Reid told AL.com shortly after the shooting.

So when was the last time a parent was charged with manslaughter for keeping unsecured guns in the house? For OWNING a gun around children?

What if some abusive asshole beats you up and kills your baby? Will you be arrested for not leaving him sooner?

What's next--smoking or drinking when pregnant? Bad nutrition?

You sent your kid to school KNOWING the risk of mass shootings: MANSLAUGHTER!

 

[Lancedalot]

As if there already aren't enough emotionally hyperbolic GB drama queens.

 

[Matthew Craig]

LMFAO niggers shooting eachother outside the dollar store over baby daddies. America the 3rd world shithole.

 

[Matthew Craig]

You're a Darwinist right Anal_Flower? Sorry, i forgot a few letters in your name.

 

[CandiCame]

I read about that. That case is weird because you think, "Now surely it can't be that fucked up, that's gotta be the headline-" but then you read it and it actually just keeps getting WORSE.

"Oh they let the bitch who shot her go?"

"Oh the argument started because she was trying to get the baby daddy to be a responsible parent to the unborn child she absolutely did want and did plan to raise and the other chick got jealous over her man?"

"Oh she really is in jail for GETTING SHOT?"

Like it doesn't get better with each thing you learn, it gets WORSE. This is some dystopia shit.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I can understand the reasoning behind the arrest, although I don't necessarily agree with it. If the PG woman attacked the other woman, especially if she used a weapon, she was committing a crime. If the victim of this crime defended herself, she would be within her rights. If somebody commits a crime, such as assault, and another person dies as a result, that means the attacking woman has committed manslaughter, at least, and maybe worse, depending on the nature of the attack.

Here is more about the case: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marsha...-indicted-over-unborn-babys-death-2019-06-27/

 

[CandiCame]

BL, I don't know how you were raised, but I was taught that you let pregnant people do whatever the fuck they want, because pregnancy is an unknowable hellscape, and they are more important than you, by virtue of them being pregnant. If they start shit with you, you take it, and you take the attitude, "That's just hormones is all that is". You don't get into physical altercations with pregnant people, under any circumstances. Because at the very least, it'll mark the baby.

I'm not saying that's a good system, but I am saying it's the system that people in Alabama were also raised with, because a lot of Alabamans have weighed in on it. Twitter has been abuzz.

Look, I don't know Ebony, I don't know her life, I don't know why she made this objectively shitty decision to not run back into the store she had just come out of that she was standing right outside of, as far as I know, nobody has released the details. Just that they were arguing about a man and then she shot a pregnant person. So I know intellectually that I'm not supposed to judge her.

But you don't shoot pregnant people. Period. It's simply not done.

Hard line stance. Personal line in the sand.

 

[Boxlicker101]

BL, I don't know how you were raised, but I was taught that you let pregnant people do whatever the fuck they want, because pregnancy is an unknowable hellscape, and they are more important than you, by virtue of them being pregnant. If they start shit with you, you take it, and you take the attitude, "That's just hormones is all that is". You don't get into physical altercations with pregnant people, under any circumstances. Because at the very least, it'll mark the baby.

I'm not saying that's a good system, but I am saying it's the system that people in Alabama were also raised with, because a lot of Alabamans have weighed in on it. Twitter has been abuzz.

Look, I don't know Ebony, I don't know her life, I don't know why she made this objectively shitty decision to not run back into the store she had just come out of that she was standing right outside of, as far as I know, nobody has released the details. Just that they were arguing about a man and then she shot a pregnant
person. So I know intellectually that I'm not supposed to judge her.

But you don't shoot pregnant people. Period. It's simply not done.

Hard line stance. Personal line in the sand.

I was brought up pretty much the same way. However, Marshae Jones was described as the aggressor and, if she was armed with a knife or something similar, then Ebony was justified in defending herself. As for returning to the store, that might not have been possible if an armed Marshae was standing in front of the door.

There has been an indictment, but the DA is not sure there will be a prosecution.

 

[dolf]

That's fucked up. Just fucked up.

Where do you even start with how fucked up that is...

 

[CandiCame]

I was brought up pretty much the same way. However, Marshae Jones was described as the aggressor and, if she was armed with a knife or something similar, then Ebony was justified in defending herself.

There has been an indictment, but the DA is not sure there will be a prosecution.

See now, I was taught that if a pregnant person wants to stab you you just... get stabbed.

Like I said, not a good system. But it is the standard I hold people to.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It is fucked up.
It was still in the womb.
We know that it is not a person, has no heartbeat and no rights.

Just a mass of tissue, but it is nice to see how fast the 180º pivot is...

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with it. She started a fight while pregnant outside a Dollar General. WTF did she think was gonna happen? Nothing good happens outside a Dollar General.
Momma always said "Nothing good happens after midnight or outside a discount chain store." Something like that anyway. I never listened to her much.

Anyway fuck the bitch. Some people bitching the other woman wasn't charged but the stories I read all said the preggers one instigated the whole thing and it was self defense.
Also Alabama. Momma always said "nothing good happens in Alabama unless you're at a football game and even then the fucking Tide will probably win anyway."

 

[SpeareChucker]

Canute could not beat the Tide.


Historical record.

 

[oralaccents]

I think buttrs is trying to finally confess to all the abandoned rape babies she killed and ate before she fled england for the backwoods.

 

[someoneyouknow]

It's Alabama, where rape is legal, so this shouldn't be surprising in the least.

That the woman was trying to be responsible and have the man pay for what he was involved with should be the story.

 

[oralaccents]

It's Alabama, where rape is legal, so this shouldn't be surprising in the least.

Sweet home!

 

[Dribble]

It's Alabama, where rape is legal, so this shouldn't be surprising in the least.

That the woman was trying to be responsible and have the man pay for what he was involved with should be the story.

Only problem....it isn't just Alabama anymore. Look at how many in this thread understand this mentality. They are all sick in the head.

 

[SpeareChucker]

You're bashing self-defense?



That's sick.

 

[Dribble]

You're bashing self-defense?



That's sick.

I dont need a gun. Sorry...

 

[bellisarius]

If ANYONE dies as a result of your committing a felony you are charged with that death. That's the law in every state. The logic behind it is very simple, had you not committed the felony no death would have occurred. Her being charged was reasonable and proper.

As far as justice being served that is for the courts and the jury to decide, not the police.

 

[SpeareChucker]

So sad, so very sad...


One gets the impression that you would prefer maybe a knifing?

And why the sudden angst over a benign mass of tissue that's not even alive?

 

[CandiCame]

I dont need a gun. Sorry...

I got a metric shitton of guns and I've never shot anybody who was pregnant.

Alabama's tryin it's damndest to outflorida Florida.

And I ain't happy about it.

"Don't start nothin won't be nothin" laws do NOT and SHOULD NOT apply to pregnant people. That's fucking ridiculous.

Like the complete lack of human empathy. This chick lost her kid. At five months. To a violent gunshot wound. This was a wanted pregnancy. At five months? At five months you're gettin furniture. You're pickin out names. You're tellin people. You're past the halfway point and takin pictures for the funny slideshow you're gonna put on your facebook for all your aunties and shit.

And yeah you're hormonal and you might try and start shit. But again, my stance is firmly that if somebody pregnant tries to start shit you just take it.

It'd have to be some pretty high level of 'starting shit' for me to put anyone above this rule. Like I personally know people who have been shot by pregnant people and didn't shoot back.

Edit: And by the way, Alabama is on some buckwild bullshit to charge her with manslaughter. I've not even talked about that but that is a level of ridiculousness that does need to be addressed at some point. Like that is some dystopian bullshit. Like I know Bevin don't answer his phone but somebody needs to be trying to ring up whoever runs Alabama and tell them this is fucking unacceptable.

Her name's Kay Ivey, her phone number is 334-242-7100 and if any of y'all are her constituents I'd ring her up and tell her you're pissed that your legal system has lost its goddamn mind.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It is fucked up.
It was still in the womb.
We know that it is not a person, has no heartbeat and no rights.

Just a mass of tissue, but it is nice to see how fast the 180º pivot is...

It's amazing how that works...

"Don't start nothin won't be nothin" laws do NOT and SHOULD NOT apply to pregnant people. That's fucking ridiculous.

Yes they should....equal treatment under the law.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I'm sorry, what felony did she commit?

If ANYONE dies as a result of your committing a felony you are charged with that death. That's the law in every state. The logic behind it is very simple, had you not committed the felony no death would have occurred. Her being charged was reasonable and proper.

As far as justice being served that is for the courts and the jury to decide, not the police.

 

[dolf]

I'm sorry, what felony did she commit?

Getting shot whilst pregnant?

If the provocation counts as committing the crime yourself, can a battered wife be arrested for being beaten whilst pregnant for starting a row with her husband?